1. That's weird
2. It's not annoying as far as I've used it. It only pops up when I mess with system settings or install things, which is the same as Ubuntu or just about any other OS.
3. Valid complaint.
4. Halo 2 is the only Vista exlusive I can think of, and I'm pretty sure that was cracked to run on XP. Windows Live is free as far as I can think of, it's just a bunch of online services.
5. DX10 does use the new driver model, which means that your hardware can either run DX10 or not. It wouldn't make sense to have portions of DX10 work on XP and some parts not.
6. Your analogy skips an OS except for Vista. It should be 3.1:98::2000:Vista. Vista is vastly better than Windows 2000.
7. A semi-valid complaint. WinFS and other features were scrapped early in development, long before RC1.

2. They were more frequent in windows than ubuntu. Simple things required permission escalation, this is probably because MS took so long to include such a feature.
4. Its free if you want to join games. If you want to host them then you pay a monthly fee. Additionally its a step back into more of a interface and features tailored for a console instead of a PC. I know its been cracked but the fact remains why did they make it exclusive in the first place?
5. Two versions of the DirectX would work fine. The problem is it'd be discouraging migration to their new operating system.
6. 2000 wasn't popular though. There was Windows ME and Windows 95, however those were not nearly as popular either, like they weren't revolutionary that people went out of their way to get them, people just got them with their computers.

2000 was pretty popular... And so was 95...

More than ME, granted, but 98 and XP and 3.1 were way more popular as far as I know.

They redesigned it to look like a glassy-skinned version of Nautilis. I'm serious.

Vista isn't neccessarily too slow, but it is bloated, and things are very hard to find in their filesystem (Well, it's not that, it's that you actually have reason to go looking for them...), for example, in order to add an entry to the menu, you need to go to OS/ProgramData/Microsoft/Windows/Start Menu/Programs. Who would look there?

I agree with Yoshi on gaming and permissions.

Vista also still lacks any security, although I'm sure they have a pretty big deal with the AV and Firewall companies to keep it that way. If Windows were as secure as Linux, AV and Firewall companies would be bankrupt.

When people are insulting Vista, I don't usually mind unless they're just people who hop on the bandwagon, in which case I can't stand them.

Windows Vista has a bug which I never figured out a solution to that every few minutes it roars the CPU into action while idle. This is especially annoying in "sleep" mode, because when I can't even be next to my idle computer for ten minutes without it roaring the fan at top volume, there's a problem. It's not just me, all the people I know who have Vista have had this problem.\

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Some things people make for Linux are far too entertaining to ever be usable in a real desktop. I mean, I've burned several hours already on akamaru.

What your describing could be what was causing my laptop to go hot. I disabled a bunch of things like antivirus and indexing but it still did it. Its really weird.

Was that a fresh install or a pre-installed copy? If it was pre-installed, there may have been some program that was occasionally resetting Vista's cpu power saving settings to 100% minimum/maximum speed (I've seen this on my own laptop and haven't yet figured out what is doing it). Usually what makes me notice is either the battery life estimate being lower than usual or the laptop being hotter than usual. Normally Vista adjusts the cpu speed on a laptop based on how much the cpu is being used, saving power and generating less heat when it is relatively idle.


Who does it that way when you can just right-click on the Start button and click either Explore or Explore All Users to get to it?

Fresh. It was the very last release candidate I installed, and from what I know it still happens.

I tried setting a bunch of options. I don't remember what I did because it was a while ago but I had real trouble nailing down the problem because I tried changing a lot of options and disabling a lot of services with no effect.

Gaming, legacy, and custom software: WinXP
Embedded applications, servers, old hardware: *nix of choice
Content creation: MacOS
New computer users: MacOS or Ubuntu
Experienced computer users: any/all of the above.

I use MacOS, Win2k, and a couple linux variants on a regular basis.

I'm sorry, but I've already lost count.

Yeh, Vista requires significantly more RAM & hardware capabilities to run than XP...so that's probably why your PC temperature was higher.

My question is, the operating systems both function virtually the same, so what on earth does it need to be doing while I'm idle?

XP has indexing as well but doesnt heat up my computer while its idle. My laptop runs cooler while im using it then when its idle with vista, that makes no sense.

Yes, I do, so don't assume I don't.

As my memory serves, Syphon has 512 MB of RAM. Vista recommended RAM for Home Basic is 512, all others is 1 GB.

I know, eh? All the goodness of Nautilus, a little better searching, and you get to run Windows exclusive programs without emulation.


Okay? And what? I can run the system (Ultimate, FYI) on 512MB of RAM. The only reason I have the paging is for playing the Sims 2. Seriously. All 16 or so expansions gets testy on the computer.

Except you can't go back down to levels you were at before. It doesn't let you go very far back up, you can't change the links at the side, nor preview music and video, nor easily set and use bookmarks, nor use the best drag and drop support in the business, easily edit appearance of folders, set icons of individual files, or easily, and in an integrated manner use FTP or links.

Also, I disagree with you on Vista's searching. For me, running a simple search for one word takes over a minute and a half. Tracker's searches seem to be instant.

I get to run POSIX, and X, and Linux, and Windows(Wine) exclusive programs without emulation. Take that Windows.

Linux is fine. However I tried out the latest version of Ubuntu. It's fine for the average tech savvy user.
Horrible for the average computer user.

What is the "average computer user" doing that requires Linux anyway? If you are just checking email or reading blogs does it really matter what operation system that you are using? Of course some people will say "Everyone should use Linux because it's better than Windows" (or the other way around), but what does that superiority get you if you are just checking your email? Everyone should use the operating system that suits them best and that they like the most.

The problem is, there are people like you that randomly suggest that Linux requires someone to be tech-savvy without reason. Ubuntu has passed the Ubuntu-girlfriend experiment. I don't see what the problem is.

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They were separate thoughts.

You can do all of those things except preview music and video... Searching never takes more than 30 seconds. Wine is a virtualisation layer, which is, for all intents and purposes, emulation.

Of course things are open to opinion. However an important goal that some Linux Distributions are trying to achieve (such as Ubuntu) is to meet the needs of the average user. Things are getting closer, but one thing that Windows did great to achieve popularity was by making things simpler for the average user.
One of the reasons Mac is now gaining more and more popularity is because Apple has been making things simple and easy to use for the average user.

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