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Mar 28 2008, 4:11 am
By: Brontobyte
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Mar 28 2008, 4:11 am Brontobyte Post #1



Fundamentalism - A belief in the infallibility, and literal interpretation, of a particular religionís doctrine or holy books.

I recently did a project in my American History class, and it was on the Scopes Trial. If you have no idea what this is, its about a teacher named John Scopes who was prosicuted for teaching evolution, rather then the idea that an almighty power (God) created the human race. As you know, there is two sides to this story. Although Scopes was convicted of his crime and fined $100, I still believe that we, the human race, evolved, rather then being created. Before you start posting things of anti-christ, or some other crazy stuff, hear me out.

Websters dictionary defines "Evolution" as a process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage). If you sit their and say "If we evolved to what we are today, why aren't we still evolving more?" The truth is that, to evolve, it takes millions of years. Humas, as most knew them back ~100 years ago, were much smaller. This holds true in old houses as their stairs are smaller in width, hence smaller feet, shorter height. The idea that we follow basic instincts to live. Some might say "If it came down to eating a bug to survive or dying, I would die." This might hold true to some people. The truth of the matter is, if it really came down to life or death, you will eat your own feces before you would die. Yeah it's grose, but its the truth. We even share simular qualities as a chimpanzee. Our faces are simular, are body build is simular, and many other features that make humans human, all strive from the basic concept of the chimpanzee.

Please, before you post anything radical, please have some evidence/background. Don't post anything that is stupid and has no relavance to this topic. This may include, but is not limitted to, religious mumbo-jumbo, just blatantly being rude, and or disrespectfull. The whole idea of this topic was to see what others think of this situation.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 28 2008, 4:47 am by Brontobyte.



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Mar 28 2008, 4:40 am Syphon Post #2



See what others think of this situation? Well... You called evolution creationism for one.

I don't really see what we're supposed to be discussing.



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Mar 28 2008, 4:49 am Brontobyte Post #3



Which do you believe in? Why do you believe in that?



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Mar 28 2008, 9:36 am MillenniumArmy Post #4



Hmmm, well I'll just put it simply.

I do believe in evolution. As for creationism, I also believe in it metaphorically and not literally. I've always believed these "days" to be metaphors of who-knows-how-long time increments. I still find it incredibly hard to believe that the world was created in 6 "earth" days, it doesn't quite make sense to me, even if I knew nothing about evolution or the alike (infact, I believed in this before learning about evolution. If anything, evolution further proved my beliefs).

I also learned about the Scopes trial a while back. It turned from being a pointless trial (in which the verdict is so obvious) into an evolution vs creationism debate between two men whose names I forgot (the creationism guy was Bradley or something? Once I think he tried running for president too). Did you watch the movie about it?



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Mar 28 2008, 11:12 am AntiSleep Post #5



Creationism is superstitious myth, evolution by natural selection is a scientific theory.

The most common and most harmful misconception about evolution is that it favors complexity or 'advancement'. It is blind to these, as evidenced by single celled organisms still competing with what some would call more advanced life forms. Evolution is adaptation by competition, Note that there is no moral judgment, philosophies like social darwinism are entirely unrelated. It is a descriptive theory, that lets you take an intentional stance on reproduction and survival(consider the organism an agent that intends to survive and reproduce), to better understand biological phenomena. Don't misunderstand, it isn't that there is necessarily any agent involved, it is just a useful predictive method to describe which characteristics will survive and become dominant.


Intelligent design is even worse than creationism:
Kitzmiller vs Dover school board ruling:
http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf

Also, the dictionary definition is not an authority of scientific theory, it is quite irrelevant.



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Mar 28 2008, 11:20 am AntiSleep Post #6



Evolution by natural selection cannot tell what percentage of humans would eat bugs to survive, because humans are not under that selective pressure. If however something happened to where humans HAD to eat bugs to survive, those that eat the bugs would determine the shape of subsequent generations, and those unable to eat bugs would not.



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Mar 28 2008, 3:02 pm Brontobyte Post #7



That sounds good. I also think that when we "evolve", we adapt to our enviornment. This holds true to modern society. Wearing coats when its cold outside, instead of wearing nothing and freezing.



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Mar 28 2008, 9:19 pm Symmetry Post #8

Dungeon Master

SIMILAR.



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Mar 28 2008, 9:44 pm cheeze Post #9



Creation does explain something evolution doesn't: where life on earth came from. So stfu.



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Mar 28 2008, 10:14 pm Dapperdan Post #10



Wait, what? :dontgetit:

(@KK, wtf? and @cheeze, who are you replying to?)



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Mar 29 2008, 1:22 am SiN Post #11



Quote from cheeze
Creation does explain something evolution doesn't: where life on earth came from. So stfu.

Science suggests that life came from a complex bonding of Carbon atoms. I'm not sure if that is noted in Evolution or not, but I'm pretty sure it uses it as a base.


I believe in a combination of Creationism and Evolution. I believe a supreme entity or God created the universe, and then Science succeeded it. Its the only thing that makes sense.



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Mar 29 2008, 1:29 am AntiSleep Post #12



Quote from cheeze
Creation does explain something evolution doesn't: where life on earth came from. So stfu.
Is god, or has god ever been alive? If you think so, you just have one more thing to explain the origins of.



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Mar 29 2008, 3:16 am cheeze Post #13



Are you telling me God came from earth and then invented earth?



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Mar 29 2008, 4:07 am Aster Post #14



Lulz, I invented Earth for my amusement.
And dinner.

Btw, I seriously believe in evolution though.



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Mar 29 2008, 12:18 pm AntiSleep Post #15



Quote from cheeze
Are you telling me God came from earth and then invented earth?
No, I do not require supernatural explanations. I was asking you if your god is alive or inanimate.



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Mar 29 2008, 3:22 pm BiOAtK Post #16



Explaining things Theologically is the worst form of explaining things.



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Mar 29 2008, 4:56 pm JordanN Post #17



*Sigh. Yet another topic about "HA, religion sucks, SCIENCE NAO!
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Creationism is superstitious myth
Prove it. Prove it with concrete evidence that creationism is a superstitious myth. :|



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Mar 29 2008, 5:30 pm Syphon Post #18



Quote from JordanN
*Sigh. Yet another topic about "HA, religion sucks, SCIENCE NAO!
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Creationism is superstitious myth
Prove it. Prove it with concrete evidence that creationism is a superstitious myth. :|

*Goes outside* *Grabs sedimentary rock*

This rock is over 10,000 years old. There. Proof. Hard, rocky proof.



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Mar 29 2008, 5:37 pm Demented Shaman Post #19



Quote from JordanN
*Sigh. Yet another topic about "HA, religion sucks, SCIENCE NAO!
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Creationism is superstitious myth
Prove it. Prove it with concrete evidence that creationism is a superstitious myth. :|




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Mar 29 2008, 6:17 pm Doodle77 Post #20



Quote from Syphon
Quote from JordanN
*Sigh. Yet another topic about "HA, religion sucks, SCIENCE NAO!
Quote
Creationism is superstitious myth
Prove it. Prove it with concrete evidence that creationism is a superstitious myth. :|

*Goes outside* *Grabs sedimentary rock*

This rock is over 10,000 years old. There. Proof. Hard, rocky proof.
No, God created it to be more than 10,000 years old of course!



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