That ship will be paradise!

Women wanted equal rights, right?

exactly.

Correction. Women wants 'more' rights than men.
When women didn't have much rights, they just wanted rights as much as men had.
When they got those rights, they wanted more. And it's really hard putting up with hardcore feminists.

That's subjective. Can you name a right that women want that men can't have?

I agree that feminists aren't worth listening to, but don't believe you quite understand the problem.

It may be a subjective question in America. I live in Korea, so you wouldn't know that it's not a subjective here.

Women are not subject to the mandatory services in the army. Men are required to serve in the army for 22 months. As per reparations? Well, they had one.
Men who served in the army for 22 months were given 2 extra credits for whatever they were applying to. For the two years they've taken away,
(because of some feminists) that's an awfully microscopic amount of points. But women thought it was 'unfair' that men be given extra points.

So, it was gone.

I'm not sure about the law in United States, but here- sexual abuse works only one way. I.E. only women can feel 'sexually abused' in the eyes of the law.
Not sure how we're both human but only that males cannot feel sexually abused.

Otherwise from the facts, it's not hard to think of them wanting 'more' rights, Centreri. If you examine closely, females also fall in the category of 'human'.

And Humans are greedy.

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The thing is, you didn't name a right that women want that men can't have. Or, at least, one they actively argue for. Because while there are inherent inequalities that feminists want to correct (while leaving others untouched), they are not actively denying men rights .

I believe that feminists should be ignored and that we let the free market sort out everything between the sexes. If women can't compete mathematically, there will be fewer mathematicians, and no resources will be wasted trying to fix that. If men can't compete in an area, then there'll be less of them there. I'm not against conscription being directed at males.

Not that I should be too surprised, but this is another generalization from you. I do not want more rights then men.

Yeah, I doubt any women would state that blatantly.

Yeah but the point was with credits. 'Credits'

Do you know me?

You want more men then rights? If I were a girl, I'd get the rights first, then the men.[/nazi]

Most of the problem with "rights" in the United States comes from certain jobs that women simply can't do or are still fighting for equality in pay/respect. Sports, for example, is a male-laden market. Say what you will about the WNBA, but women in sports make paltry amounts compared to men in sports. Perhaps sports are a bad example.

Now, well payed businessmen are also in the male-mostly category, which is likely due to two things: nature and history. Nature being that it's clear that women think differently from men, and have different hormones which make us do things we don't know why we do. It's slight enough that it DOES make a difference. Businesswomen also have to give up their jobs for a short time should they ever want to have children, which men do not. The government can dictate that all they want, but if some shit goes down while a female CEO is on maternity leave, it's somewhat difficult.

History would be the fact that men are naturally stronger than women and have always asserted that fact up until perhaps the last 2000 years, where it's gradually lessened. However that takes time, and prejudices die hard (usually with certain generations). The baby boomer generation (our parents, for the elder people here) were raised often times by extremely conservative women (not in the political sense) who "knew their place" (in the kitchen). If your parents weren't really hardcore hippies, than chances are they got some of that prejudice in them as well. Grandparents are still alive as well, and a number of my friends' grandparents are still racist, but you can't do anything about it because they're like 95 years old.

By the time we are grandparents, I think we'll be pretty well equal, hopefully with at least one black woman president. My current prejudices, slight though they may be, will probably seem huge to my grandchildren.

lol then XD my bad.

Lol anyways.
Why would I put women and children first? Because they suck at surviving.

Reminds me of the Futurama episode
"Come on, you never went on a date with a guy just 'cause you were hungry?"
"Well I...uh...I thought I might like him on a full stomach."

But the difference in pay in men/women sports is warranted by the highly different skill level. Yes, women in sports are highly skilled compared to the regular joe, but the skill level between professional male and woman athletes is noticable enough that a separate league of genders is required, and the skill difference is reflected in the paycheck. While I believe sports players are grossly overpaid, most of the pay difference between men and woman is rooted in a difference in skill rather than prejudice, or rather, reflected in skills gained from genetics. I think it's most evident in sports like basketball, golf and tennis where you can see how much of a difference actually exists.

You don't mean skill; you mean ability. I don't believe skill is reliant on genetics.

Blame the computer games. They often don't distinguish between skill and ability properly either.

Heh. You know, you're right. Chicks should get an acrobatic bonus and a strength handicap.

But then no one would want to play chicks.

They would be archers... pew pew while running backwards... hitting every tree on the path unable to find the parking lot...

I prefer playing female chars in some games. Hearing a man moaning all the time isn't what I like.

Ahli you're not the first one to present that kind of argument. Other similar arguments I've heard is that men would rather look at a woman's ass over a man's.