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Temple Siege v1
Jul 10 2008, 8:31 am
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Sep 30 2008, 9:31 pm Flying_Fish Post #321



Lol, i just played another game, i pwnd so hard using the same start i always do. I killed ever member of the other team 3 times on my own!

I calculated the damage.
Ling's 3rd spell is lurks, about 15 damage each? +4 for upgrades, and i had 28 of those..? About 8 lurkers.., shoot twice...so that's 15+4*28*8*2=2032!
So thats 2032 damage in about 4 seconds...... now i know why i've been using the exact same strategy since the 3rd time i ever played...
And after you max out manna upgrades you can cast this every 16 seconds....because that's about 5 manna a second....

I need to write up a guide for this.
Ling = best char evar!

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 30 2008, 9:56 pm by Flying_Fish.



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Sep 30 2008, 9:38 pm Arvendragon Post #322



Mech, in the hands of a great player, would be the most overpowered char.
One word:

MICRO

If properly microed, the Vulture can dodge many of the spells, attack more than getting attacked, has heavy armor so that most units do less, and has essentially 2 heals. Even through the Goliath and Siege Tank are worse, this thing can still do a TON of damage, especially with massed ups.

But lurks are great too.



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Sep 30 2008, 9:44 pm Flying_Fish Post #323



Just wondering, could you please explain what exactly this does?
I'm mainly interested in this "secret" location...
Code
//-----------------------------------------------------------------//

Trigger("Player 1","Player 2","Player 3","Player 4","Player 5","Player 6"){
Conditions:
    Bring("Current Player", "Terran Civilian", "Choose Hero - Medic", Exactly, 1);
    Bring("All players", "Terran Beacon", "Choose Hero - Medic", At least, 1);
    Bring("Current Player", "Terran Civilian", "Secret", Exactly, 0);

Actions:
    Play WAV("sound\\terran\\kerrigan\\ukepss00.wav", 0);
    Remove Unit At Location("All players", "Terran Beacon", 1, "Choose Hero - Medic");
    Kill Unit At Location("Current Player", "Terran Civilian", 1, "Choose Hero - Medic");
    Give Units to Player("Player 11", "Current Player", "Men", 1, "Choose Hero - Medic");
    Display Text Message(Always Display, " \x007Medic\r\n\x003Niche: \x004Healer/Supporter\r\n\x003Grinding: \x004Below Average\r\n\x003Strengths: \r\n\x004Can Heal self and Teamates\r\n\x004Can Disable Foes\r\n\x003Weaknesses:\r\n\x004No Offensive Spells\r\n\x004Weak attack\r\n");
    Set Deaths("Current Player", "Sarah Kerrigan (Ghost)", Set To, 1);
    Comment("Choose Medic");
    Set Mission Objectives("1. \x006Summon Healing Spirit \x004- Summon 1 Medic\r\n2. \x006Disable \x004- Disables foes from using spells for 20 secs\r\n3. \x006Calm Mind \x004- Gives your nearby allies 120 mana\r\n4. \x006Renew \x004- Fully heals you and nearby allies");
}

//-----------------------------------------------------------------//




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Sep 30 2008, 9:45 pm Oyen Post #324



Quote from Arvendragon
Mech, in the hands of a great player, would be the most overpowered char.
One word:

MICRO

If properly microed, the Vulture can dodge many of the spells, attack more than getting attacked, has heavy armor so that most units do less, and has essentially 2 heals. Even through the Goliath and Siege Tank are worse, this thing can still do a TON of damage, especially with massed ups.

But lurks are great too.

That's why I love mech :D
In addition, mech's lv 2 form is excellent at chasing down low-hp escaping heroes before they can reach their temple.

Quote from Flying_Fish
Lol, i just played another game, i pwnd so hard using the same start i always do. I killed ever member of the other team 3 times on my own!

I calculated the damage.
Ling's 3rd spell is lurks, about 15 damage each? +4 for upgrades? About 8 of them, shoot twice...so that's 15+4*28*8*2=2032!
!
Where did the 28 come from?



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Sep 30 2008, 9:52 pm Flying_Fish Post #325



Quote from Flying_Fish
Lol, i just played another game, i pwnd so hard using the same start i always do. I killed ever member of the other team 3 times on my own!

I calculated the damage.
Ling's 3rd spell is lurks, about 15 damage each? +4 for upgrades? About 8 of them, shoot twice...so that's 15+4*28*8*2=2032!
Quote from Oyen
Where did the 28 come from?
Oh sorry i forgot to say that i had 28 zerg ranged upgrades...lol funny considering its a melee unit and i only ever get 2 melee upgrades.



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Sep 30 2008, 9:55 pm Oyen Post #326



Heh, I think I might write a review for this game later, and post it in the Starcraft-Reviews area. ^^



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Sep 30 2008, 10:27 pm ClansAreForGays Post #327



Quote from Flying_Fish
Lol, i just played another game, i pwnd so hard using the same start i always do. I killed ever member of the other team 3 times on my own!

I calculated the damage.
Ling's 3rd spell is lurks, about 15 damage each? +4 for upgrades, and i had 28 of those..? About 8 lurkers.., shoot twice...so that's 15+4*28*8*2=2032!
So thats 2032 damage in about 4 seconds...... now i know why i've been using the exact same strategy since the 3rd time i ever played...
And after you max out manna upgrades you can cast this every 16 seconds....because that's about 5 manna a second....

I need to write up a guide for this.
Ling = best char evar!
Your math is terrible.
First off, your talking about the old v1.2 people play 1.4 or 1.4M now. Still, in 1.2 luker base damage is actually 35, and it doesn't spawn 8, it spawns 16.
So... (35base+(28ups*4increase))*16 = 2352

It is weakened in 1.4 to +3, while 1.4M actually cuts the spawned lurks to 8, but ups are +4 again.

But no character is rigged, just different. Everything has atleast 2 counters. Character spell combos are where it's really at.

And fish, that's just something half-done from the 3 secret characters urine wants in his next version. (uusop, astrogear, and critter)




Sep 30 2008, 10:32 pm Flying_Fish Post #328



The only reason my math is so bad and posts are making no sense is because its 8:01 am here because i've been playing temple siege consistently for the past 8 hours.



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Sep 30 2008, 10:41 pm Flying_Fish Post #329



Quote from ClansAreForGays
Quote from Flying_Fish
Lol, i just played another game, i pwnd so hard using the same start i always do. I killed ever member of the other team 3 times on my own!

I calculated the damage.
Ling's 3rd spell is lurks, about 15 damage each? +4 for upgrades, and i had 28 of those..? About 8 lurkers.., shoot twice...so that's 15+4*28*8*2=2032!
So thats 2032 damage in about 4 seconds...... now i know why i've been using the exact same strategy since the 3rd time i ever played...
And after you max out manna upgrades you can cast this every 16 seconds....because that's about 5 manna a second....

I need to write up a guide for this.
Ling = best char evar!
Your math is terrible.
First off, your talking about the old v1.2 people play 1.4 or 1.4M now. Still, in 1.2 luker base damage is actually 35, and it doesn't spawn 8, it spawns 16.
So... (35base+(28ups*4increase))*16 = 2352

It is weakened in 1.4 to +3, while 1.4M actually cuts the spawned lurks to 8, but ups are +4 again.

But no character is rigged, just different. Everything has atleast 2 counters. Character spell combos are where it's really at.

And fish, that's just something half-done from the 3 secret characters urine wants in his next version. (uusop, astrogear, and critter)
Ater all that telling me what happend to the lurkers in each ver, did you actually noice that i was correct the first time?
Look at what i wrote, (15+4*28*8*2=2032!) That's +4 from per upgrade ver 1.4M so whats correct, and i said 8 lurkers so that's correct as well. So what exactly was the point of telling me all that info about previous vers?
The 2 was because they shoot twice before they die so its doubled.
The only thing i was wrong about was the base damage.



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Sep 30 2008, 10:56 pm Moose Post #330

We live in a society.

Quote from Arvendragon
If properly microed, the Vulture can dodge many of the spells, attack more than getting attacked, has heavy armor
medium*




Sep 30 2008, 11:12 pm ClansAreForGays Post #331



Quote
The only reason my math is so bad and posts are making no sense is...
It's not a big deal.
Quote
So what exactly was the point of telling me all that info about previous vers?
I'm not trying to be mean.


Quote from Flying_Fish
Ater all that telling me what happend to the lurkers in each ver, did you actually noice that i was correct the first time?
Quote from name:Flying
Ling's 3rd spell is lurks, about 15 damage each?
It's 50. Your order of operations is also incorrect.
Quote
I need to write up a guide for this.
Ling = best char evar!
Moose already pretty much wrote the book on lurk abuse.

I'm really not trying to sound like a prick. I appreciate you like this map, the purpose for the topic was actually just to get other people to play this with me.




Sep 30 2008, 11:43 pm Vi3t-X Post #332



Quote from Mini Moose 2707
Quote from Arvendragon
If properly microed, the Vulture can dodge many of the spells, attack more than getting attacked, has heavy armor
medium*
He means it has a crapload of base stats.



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Oct 1 2008, 1:02 am Arvendragon Post #333



Quote from Vi3t-X
Quote from Mini Moose 2707
Quote from Arvendragon
If properly microed, the Vulture can dodge many of the spells, attack more than getting attacked, has heavy armor
medium*
He means it has a crapload of base stats.
Not really. Well it IS true, but heavy armor causes the firebat to do 1/4 dmg, and the zealot to do 1/2. The ghost does 1/4, and so on. The vulture is faster than all of the infantry heroes (actually i think its fastest), thus, with PROPER micro, its really good, and the 1/4 dmg is crap, and considering the zealot and firebat and melee, that's a lot of microablity.

Played a 3v3 with CAFG today. LOL the High Templar is REALLY SLOW. My allies did nothing, and CAFG was able to chase me down, and my ALLIES were outmicroed. I was eliminated and I left. CAFG, tell me what happened.

YEAH I'm a Noob. So what?
That's why my score is 7-5-3.
:bleh:

BTW - Petition to make the Critter Hero and the CC Hero possible! Support these interesting Heroes today!

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 1 2008, 1:08 am by Arvendragon.



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Oct 1 2008, 1:18 am Vi3t-X Post #334



My score is: Cannot Lose.



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Oct 1 2008, 1:55 am Moose Post #335

We live in a society.

Quote from Vi3t-X
Quote from Mini Moose 2707
Quote from Arvendragon
If properly microed, the Vulture can dodge many of the spells, attack more than getting attacked, has heavy armor
medium*
He means it has a crapload of base stats.
The number for stats have nothing to do with the unit's armor type.

Quote from Arvendragon
Not really. Well it IS true, but heavy armor causes the firebat to do 1/4 dmg, and the zealot to do 1/2.
Zealot damage type is normal.




Oct 1 2008, 2:06 am ClansAreForGays Post #336



Quote from Arvendragon
Quote from Vi3t-X
Quote from Mini Moose 2707
Quote from Arvendragon
If properly microed, the Vulture can dodge many of the spells, attack more than getting attacked, has heavy armor
medium*
He means it has a crapload of base stats.
Not really. Well it IS true, but heavy armor causes the firebat to do 1/4 dmg, and the zealot to do 1/2. The ghost does 1/4, and so on. The vulture is faster than all of the infantry heroes (actually i think its fastest), thus, with PROPER micro, its really good, and the 1/4 dmg is crap, and considering the zealot and firebat and melee, that's a lot of microablity.

Played a 3v3 with CAFG today. LOL the High Templar is REALLY SLOW. My allies did nothing, and CAFG was able to chase me down, and my ALLIES were outmicroed. I was eliminated and I left. CAFG, tell me what happened.

YEAH I'm a Noob. So what?
That's why my score is 7-5-3.
:bleh:

BTW - Petition to make the Critter Hero and the CC Hero possible! Support these interesting Heroes today!
2v1'd them by controlling every geyser on map.




Oct 1 2008, 2:28 am Oyen Post #337



Yep, in 3v3s, assim massing is now a vital part of victory. Heh, the game I just played, I built about 11 assims all over the map, and the summoner on our team had lings with like 25 def and 25 atk upgrades. Needless to say, our enemies died soon afterward.



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Oct 1 2008, 2:29 am Vi3t-X Post #338



I'd land on your seige tank and crush it. I win the game with lulz points.



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Oct 1 2008, 10:05 am Flying_Fish Post #339



Quote from Oyen
Yep, in 3v3s, assim massing is now a vital part of victory. Heh, the game I just played, I built about 11 assims all over the map, and the summoner on our team had lings with like 25 def and 25 atk upgrades. Needless to say, our enemies died soon afterward.
Why did i have to be that enemy! And why did i have to be on a team with 2 randoms who had never played before, and one of them left at the beginning and the other one died off half way through! How was i supposed to be able to kill any of your asims?
But yes, asims are actually very handy when you have a whole heap of them.



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Oct 1 2008, 3:52 pm InsolubleFluff Post #340



Early game they're too strong...
Latter game, they're great for money, but since it took Archer about one to three spells to kill it, i'm not sure it was worth moose rebuilinding them...



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Oh_Man -- whereas just "press X to get 50 health back" is pretty mindless
[05:02 am]
Oh_Man -- because it adds anotherr level of player decision-making where u dont wanna walk too far away from the medic or u lose healing value
[05:01 am]
Oh_Man -- initially I thought it was weird why is he still using the basic pre-EUD medic healing system, but it's actually genius
[03:04 am]
Ultraviolet -- Vrael
Vrael shouted: I almost had a heart attack just thinking about calculating all the offsets it would take to do that kind of stuff
With the modern EUD editors, I don't think they're calculating nearly as many offsets as you might imagine. Still some fancy ass work that I'm sure took a ton of effort
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Oh_Man -- definitely EUD
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Vrael -- I almost had a heart attack just thinking about calculating all the offsets it would take to do that kind of stuff
[09:35 pm]
Vrael -- that is insane
[09:35 pm]
Vrael -- damn is that all EUD effects?
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Oh_Man -- https://youtu.be/MHOZptE-_-c are yall seeing this map? it's insane
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