Limits of x64:
no 16 bit emulation (can't play duke nukum)
Very few drivers for 64 bit (printer wouldn't work, tv tuner wouldn't work, a number of other things which were small)
Extremely limited choice for free antivirus (all I could find was avast)

Now of course, you have much more support for the drivers and the antivirus, but I still think I can't play duke nukum. We'll see when I install 7 (dosbox should work though).

Much of the world is still using windows 2000, so we've got a long way to go before we can abandon legacy. However, it's important that we move forward when we can. Apple got it right in this way, but at the cost of severely limiting the number of programs available. My uncle is an optometrist who has some equipment whose software only runs on windows 2000, and the company who made it is either dead or stopped supporting it. He's not rich enough to buy a newer version either (especially not when the old one works just fine).

Eh, it looks almost identical to me, the USB ports are in a slightly less convenient place, although it may be safer for the drives if you tend to accidentally hit them, the front looks uglier, more lines, not to mention it doesn't appear to have the nice dust filters the 300 has(they've been awesome) and glass sides are horrible heat conductors, the harddrives look like they're annoying to get power cables to, and it fits less HDDs than the 300, although it also allows for more optical drives, but who honestly needs more than 2? I like the removal of the side fan opening, just seems like an airflow issue to me, and the HDD slots seem a lot more convenient, plus the mobo mount is nice. I think that case is better if you're constantly poking around inside your computer, but I feel like the 300 probably cools just as well, if not better, and has more potential, and once you've gotten everything set up, who cares how convenient it is? I'm just throwing on the side and forgetting about it anyway

alright, I've been lookin around and my dad told me about this site. The store is REALLY close to where I live so if I got a comp from there it would be real easy to go pick up. But I wanted to see what you guys thought of the deal first.

http://www.addaxcomputer.com/detail.asp?id=631
Good deal? Bad deal? Honestly it looks pretty freakin sweet to me.

You could definitely get it cheaper with better parts building it yourself, but it's not a horrible deal, they've used fairly good parts, but you could definitely save 200 or so dollars by doing it yourself, and come out with a better, more future-ready system. You have to remember that they're not including the OS in that $839 cost, so it really totals to around $1000.

For that price, you should be able to get more RAM, a better graphics card, a better CPU, and a better mobo to mount it all to, which honestly, is what an entire build comes down to. The convenience is great, but if they're anything like my shop, they're just buying parts online, for about the same price you would, and marking it up 20% for labor.

EDIT: Just as a side note, it appears Tom's Hardware actually chose the 300 case for their 2000 dollar computer: Check it out.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 4 2010, 5:49 am by Falkoner.

You can't get that computer for cheaper with better parts. You can get that computer for cheaper with better parts if you don't bother with the card reader, the overpowered PSU, the speakers, and the presumably shitty ddr3 gtx 460 (are they serious?), and you include Mail In Rebates.

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46944
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=43090
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=48086
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45244
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54474
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=47459
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=33041
Total: $718.26 with $65 in Mail In Rebates.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
Total: $80.49
Grand Total: $798.75 - $65 MIR.
What you'd get in comparison to the ADDAX build:
+ case with side mounted HDD bay and much better cable management
= Phenom II x4 955 (could easily upgrade to 965 for $14, not really worth it imo)
+ Guaranteed faster hard drive (idk what the addax build has, but it's not a spinpoint f3, the fastest hard drive you can buy)
+ Modular power supply
- Pretty good chance that the PSU in the ADDAX build is antec or seasonic, so this one is much worse quality. Still, it's a decent PSU with overdraw protection, so it won't blow up.
- no speakers, card reader, mouse, keyboard
- 5-10% weaker video card (GTX 460 ddr5 768 MB. however, I don't think there exists a gddr3 version of the 460. Do you want to buy from someone who makes that typo? Can spend $50 to upgrade to 1 GB. Also note that it's not the RAM which makes it faster, just the number of cores. nVidia released 2 cards as a marketing ploy)

So there you have it. Canada is in the unique position of having terrible prices, and right now is a shitty time to buy in the US. prices have skyrocketed (or at least deals have ended) here. A few weeks ago the Antec Neo Eco 520C was $35. Now it's $80.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 4 2010, 2:23 pm by rockz.

You did fail to factor in the price of the OS, which they are charging almost double the actual cost of, but I may have been wrong about their pricing, perhaps they have a pretty solid supplier.

I didn't fail to factor in the price of the OS. You have to buy the OS anyway, so why bother buying it from them?

go down to the store sam, and see what they can tell you. Tell them you're putting ubuntu on there so you don't need windows, and see what the actual products are, what they recommend. If the hard drive isn't a seagate or hitachi, and the power supply is indeed antec or seasonic, this is a good deal.

What place are you talking about? The prices they are charging for Windows 7 are almost identical to newegg.ca's prices and cheaper than ncix.com's prices.


By the way, if you get Windows 7 Pro or higher, you get access to an XP Pro 32-bit virtual machine image that is licensed only for use with Windows 7 Pro or higher, which you can run in Windows Virtual PC or possibly other virtualization software. It doesn't work for 3d games, but you can run other things in it that need XP and use USB devices in it (where feasible) that don't have 64-bit drivers available. It would also run 16-bit Windows apps just fine. DOS programs may also work, but I'd recommend DosBox instead, since it probably supports more DOS programs than XP.