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Adding in a Anti maphack
Oct 28 2009, 6:23 pm
By: Killer2121  

Oct 28 2009, 6:23 pm Killer2121 Post #1



I am trying to make a map where no one can use maphack or use a drophack to win unfairly in the game. If possible does anyone have good ideas how to drop them out of the game without crashing them? Such as a way to push a Programed button as Insert to scan the player for using maphack. It would be very helpful :)



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Oct 28 2009, 6:29 pm Jack Post #2

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

You can have an area covered by fog, with a probe and some minerals. If the probe moves, you know he's using a hack with automine. Then you can desync. Ask someone like heinermann how to desync people.



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Oct 28 2009, 6:38 pm NudeRaider Post #3

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There's no good anti hack map triggers. At least not publicly known because Zynastor and the like would immediately release an update.

I think countering a drop hack is impossible, as even the hackers can't do that.

For key detection and dropping people via triggers you need EUDs. Check the forums to learn how to use them. There's also a topic about key press detection in Theory and Ideas.

But still, keep in mind that anything you implement will not work reliably, or at least not for long.




Oct 28 2009, 6:46 pm FlashBeer Post #4



Also, someone would be upset if they accidentally press insert, get dropped, and don't hack a hack.



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Oct 28 2009, 6:48 pm Heinermann Post #5

SDE, BWAPI owner, hacker.

Your map can't be perfect. You can include a few quirks here and there, but try not to do anything major. Anti-map hack is too much work, and anti-drop would be nearly impossible. What kind of map are you working on?




Oct 28 2009, 7:06 pm Killer2121 Post #6



Well DBZ - RX15 has a antihack in it not seen else where check it out when you get the free time because i do not know how to turn this into a correct way on to my map.



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Oct 28 2009, 7:21 pm Morphling Post #7



It looks like the map maker detected if a player presses insert. :D It's not a very good way of detecting when you hack because a non-hacker can also press insert.



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Oct 28 2009, 7:22 pm Killer2121 Post #8



You push it and release it to activate the antihack find. It works very well if you have hacks on.



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Oct 28 2009, 7:30 pm Morphling Post #9



It doesn't detect hacks. The triggers detect when you press insert and then drops you after 120 trigger loops



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Oct 28 2009, 11:58 pm Heinermann Post #10

SDE, BWAPI owner, hacker.

That kind of trigger is like adding flags in a map, but forgetting that it will crash players when they click on them.
Insert is a keyboard key that anyone can press, and some people even by accident. I suggest you reconsider using it.




Oct 29 2009, 12:00 am CecilSunkure Post #11



I would suggest you just add in a drop banner using EUD desyncs, that way the players themselves can make the call as to whether or not someone is cheating. You can give someone specific control of a banner, or add in a vote banner, etc. I suggest using the screen position EUD, and create a unit in the trigger's action - this will cause a desync in the player who fills the screen position condition, as well as any other conditions that you specify. I use this in all my maps that I want a banner in. Let me know if you want some additional help setting this up.



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Oct 29 2009, 1:33 am Falkoner Post #12



Honestly, using Text Detection seems to be the best method, find some of the commonly used hacks, and detect their text with EUDs, that even tends to beat the protection hacks put in, or when they update.



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Oct 29 2009, 7:04 am Wormer Post #13



Quote from name:zany_001
You can have an area covered by fog, with a probe and some minerals. If the probe moves, you know he's using a hack with automine.
Guess this won't work, because all units behave exactly like there was no hack on. The hack only shows the area to the player but not to the units. Otherwise it would have desynched the hacker.



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Oct 29 2009, 7:09 am Jack Post #14

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

Then just an area with a probe, no fog, then for a few seconds move the screen elsewhere. If the probe moves, desync.



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Oct 29 2009, 10:20 am zynastor Post #15



Quote from Killer2121
Well DBZ - RX15 has a antihack in it not seen else where check it out when you get the free time because i do not know how to turn this into a correct way on to my map.

Using Insert key is a bad idea like several people have mentioned, most people already have maphack on after the first game and don't push Insert again. Also there is chat commands to toggle a maphack, so it really isn't no anti-hack and could drop legit players for pressing insert by accident.



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Oct 29 2009, 3:11 pm rockz Post #16

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It drops stupid people, though, which is for the better.

You could detect if you have a unit you shouldn't have selected, and drop then, but that wouldn't be too useful.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 29 2009, 5:30 pm by rockz. Reason: didn't read thread



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Oct 29 2009, 4:55 pm Heinermann Post #17

SDE, BWAPI owner, hacker.

Quote from Wormer
Quote from name:zany_001
You can have an area covered by fog, with a probe and some minerals. If the probe moves, you know he's using a hack with automine.
Guess this won't work, because all units behave exactly like there was no hack on. The hack only shows the area to the player but not to the units. Otherwise it would have desynched the hacker.
That might not be true for automine. Units can still target other units inside of the fog. There is probably a hack that doesn't check if the target resource is in fog or not. I don't think BWAPI checks that.




Nov 10 2009, 4:46 am 13Stallion Post #18



for an anti map hack just place an invalid sprite like cantina from scmdraft under the fog of war. when the map starts make all players screens center on the cantina. Only players who are using a map hack will see the cantina causing there sc to crash :) this may not prevent all maphacks but it will sure help



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Nov 10 2009, 4:50 am Jack Post #19

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

Quote from 13Stallion
for an anti map hack just place an invalid sprite like cantina from scmdraft under the fog of war. when the map starts make all players screens center on the cantina. Only players who are using a map hack will see the cantina causing there sc to crash :) this may not prevent all maphacks but it will sure help
Unfnrtunately it doesn't stop zynastors map hack, which is the most popular one.



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Nov 10 2009, 11:44 pm Heinermann Post #20

SDE, BWAPI owner, hacker.

Or any other map hack these days.




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