You don't need to physically sign any legal document to be bound by a contract... a simple checking of an "I agree with these terms" on your computer will do. Either way, as rockz said, the NDA has been lifted.

You can post screenshots now.

NDA was lifted about 1 or 2 months ago. About a week after Ex posted the original thread.

Once again, Hydrolisk screws us over with a leave, we would have won that game too! Pharaoh doesn't scale well enough into late-game. >_> Though we did have a couple of epic games, like when IP goes 26-5 with Arachna and I was Panda, we were fighting Puppet and Maliken, which is a tough combination. Also another game where I did pretty good as Wretched Hag, she's sexy.

Pssssh yeah hydro. They were trying to concede and you left us, and then, they owned us.

I like Blood Hunter! :3

obvious mafia!

epic game with puppet master. got harkons blade and hellflower. when i had arachna's aura applied to me, i did 410-424 damage. make that magic damage, then subtract like 5 or 6 armor (i forgot which) and thats how much damage i did. it was pretty awesome. i had some epic kills.

it bugs me that swiftblade can use his ultimate through puppet strings, is this a bug?

And i like Megabane :3



this wasn't good stats wise, but it was cool considering i 1-shot arachna 4 times with my ult. Riftshards and puppet are too good together IMO.

Prolly gonna add puppet as one of my mains.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Oct 19 2009, 12:01 am by ShredderIV.

No. While strings do not disable the target, using Swift Slashes (I think that is the name) makes Swiftblade non-targetable. It might work the same if he uses Blade Frenzy, since it grants Magical Immunity

looooool, my stats suck now, sig doesn't work.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 1 2009, 3:51 am by Ultimo.

i find harkons blade better.

i played great game as nymph. im not a bad support. i got wards up in good places, and in pubs, people rarely get wards, and i got a courier for the team. i was pretty good with heals and mana heals too.

we had a scout on our team who got a damage rune and killed so many people. they just ran at him 1 by 1

See, i keep hearing good things about that, but don't really see the point: it can be countered really easily by any hero with magic armor. Plus the puppet has magic armor and reduces the damage if you have harkon activated. I think shards are better simply because you have a chance to do a 4.8x crit with ur passive and fully upped shards. And if you add the puppet you can do a 9.6x crit. Also, i did 289-302 dmg as puppet, so i cud possibly do a damage of like, 2700something, which is better than harkons blade IMO.

One gay thing about puppet tho is that with his puppet show, if the person you use show on kills someone on their team, it counts as a deny. Really gay. Happened to me 3 times DX

Uh, you realize that heroes inherently stack more physical armor than magic armor? Most heroes will have like, 4 magic armor at most, and Harkon will eat through that easily. While most people can have upwards of +15 physical armor. That's like saying "WHY BUY CRITS? IT'S COUNTERED BY ANY HERO WITH PHYSICAL ARMOR? ACTUALLY, WHY BUY ANY ITEMS THAT DO DAMAGE, COUNTERED BY ARMOR." It's a stupid argument, people have much less magic armor than physical armor. Harkons > Riftshards, in my opinion, unless they are very magic armor heavy. Also, what if puppet has magic armor? You reduce it, you do more damage to the puppet. I would rather rely on straight dps from a Harkon's than a 16% chance of getting a crit from Riftshards.

Totally raped the other team in a 4v5 turned 3v5 as a farmed magebane. Our team loled.
At first, I was pretty screwed solo top, but mid (andromeda) was doing ok and bot (dark lady + voodoo) was eating up their bot, getting a kill every minute or so. We pwned them hard in teambattles, and andromeda got bloodbath, but then our dark lady went afk and d/ced. I was kinda farmed by then, but not enough to rape their entire team (only 3 of them ). We turtled for like 5 minutes while I finished my wingbow, then we genocided them, raxxed, and won.

P.S.
For puppet, I get both riftshards AND harkons.

the puppet for ULT DOES have magic armor, and no physical armor, which basically means it's still more worth it to do physical damage to it.

And the damage done to the puppet is the damage transferred, after armor, not before, so its not like, you attack the puppet for 200 damage, do 185 damage to the puppet due to magic armor but still do 400 damage to your opponent.

and also, it's a 25% chance with fully upgraded riftshards, meaning you have a 25% chance on every passive to do the 4.8x crit, which can easily be 1300. Add the ult in there, and it gets messy for enemies.

the ult alos automatically does magic damage to the opponent, and works strangely. If you hit the puppet for more than its hp, it still does that amount you would have done to it to the opponent. SO it's better to kill it in 1 hit and go over its hp by 1000 than hit it for 5 hits and just do its hp in damage.

here's my calculation for 5 shots against an opponent with 5 magic armor (25% reduction) and a 40% physical damage reduction, with a puppet doing a flat 300 dmg (btw riftshards also increases damage.)

Harkons: 1st: 225; 2nd, 300; 3rd, 300; 4th, 300; 5th, 600. Total, 1725 magic damage, for the low, low cost of 500 mana ( 100 per hit i believe )

Riftshards: 1st: 180; 2nd, 180; 3rd, 180; 4th, 420 (25% chance: it's wrong in the item database i believe); 5th, 360, 25% chance of doing 1000 dmg. So, it's basically either 1325something or 2000. And that's just considering if it only hits one of those crits.

Either way, i'm not truly gonna say that Riftshards is better, i'm just saying now that either is a viable choice. I, however, choose riftshards.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Oct 19 2009, 3:41 am by ShredderIV.

That is why you go Hellflower to make up for his mana problems, and allows you to use a silence when you string someone up. I agree, riftshards is good, but I don't like you trying to prove that it is BETTER than Harkon's Blade. Harkon's is basically made for Puppet, it is what an intelligence carry needs. Also, Harkon's has magic penetration, -5 magic armor, meaning it will reduce the puppet's armor into negative, doing more so damage than if it was physical dps. -5 magic armor basically reduces their magic armor to 0% reduction, meaning you're doing FULL damage on every Harkon hit. You only need like 10 hits at most in a team battle, and the Hellflower will allow you to sustain that.

Did you include the -magic armor on Harkons? Also, Harkons increases damage and attack speed too. >_> Also, are you sure it's 25%? The most I know is 20%.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Oct 19 2009, 3:46 am by Ultimo.

and yes, took the reduction into effect, which is why the 2nd and on attacks do the base 300 damage.

and ultimo, have you experienced his bug where puppet show makes enemies deny each other instead of doing non-lethal damage?

Some epic games with rnd today, went deathless in two of our games. In the first, rnd would stun and I would spin with Swift, and I got first blood level 1. We did this about 4 times before they stop being stupid, but it was too late. 19 minute Dancing Blade, and 15-0. And then I was Wildsoul and jungling, then Dark Lady is weak at top. So I just come out and own her in the face for level 2 firstblood, eventually going 8-0-8 along with 6000 gold after we pushed down mid. They then conceded though. Flurry of screenshots incoming.



Also, maybe everyone should start expanding their hero choices. As much as I hate losing, I think it'd be more enjoyable if everyone knew how to use most of the heroes. So I think randoming in our pub games will be fine, or maybe just playing RD or SD. Though, I do not approve of the Hydrolisk Pyromancer yet, Madman Shredder or Raccoon anything, you guys need to work on that on your own time.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Oct 19 2009, 4:38 am by Ultimo.

I've been working on my madman, and i think my problem was in my lvl up choices.

Stalk works well as a first choice, just cause it really helps with early kills. My porblem was that i would continue leveling that up though, which basically seems to just make it cost more mana, and deal a small amount more in damage.

Leveling up stun next is good, and critical. Usually i then alternate, since stun helps in teamfights, and crit lets you deal out the dps, while still having stalk as an escape route.

There was my problem i think lol.

eww... against most opponent heroes in HoN, harkons blade works much better than riftshards. it gives you like a bonus 30 iteligence? and mana regeneration bonus. and riftshards gives you some atttack and critical chance bonus. late game you can do around 350 damage (with regular attack, and not having defenses subtracted) and heroes usually have 15-30 physical armor depending on wat hero it is, heroes have like 5.5 magic amor, and subtract 6 from that, you can a whopping -.5 compared to a 20. . while riftshards pwns like hell with puppet, harkons blade is much better.

you cant really look at statistics, but if you try it out in the game, harkons blade sends enemy hp down much faster than riftshards does. also if you have like a hellrbinger on your team or someone else with good abilties, you can get them even lower magic armor.

hellbringer isnt bad with harkons. -6 magic armor + -8.9 magic armor + harkons blade= yum yum yum