Can someone explain to me how marriage is natural under any circumstances?
Gee, you're right, it's not natural, therefore it must be bad
. Just like vaccines, shelters ("buildings"), scientific research, and cooperation amongst large groups of evil are unnatural and evil. Yes, that's sarcasm, I'm trying to work on that
(although I'll admit, it took a bit of effort to come up with unnatural things that most people agree are good).
But why bond two people together at all? What purpose does it serve? So you get a claim on their stuff? Of course, medical rights and such, but hey, those are just too good for gay people, why are they good enough for anyone at all? Why even have them? People ultimately die alone anyways, right?
Claims on stuff and medical rights should not be involved in marriage. Marriage is and should be a completely religious ritual with NO "legal" influence whatsoever. I personally find it sort of odd that gays feel oppressed by religion and want to do what's natural to them, but at the same time they want a traditional (and "unnatural") marriage ceremony that's advocated by the religion that disapproves of their sexuality.
Oh, and to answer the "what is marriage for?" question, marriage developed as a guarantee for the wife that she and her kids will be provided for and a guarantee for the man that the offspring he raises will be his. Sure, a man could "sow his wild oats," but if every other man was doing so, he'd have no idea if the woman's pregnancy was from him or some other guy. Men didn't want to have to raise kids that weren't their own, and thus started marriage. Or, at least, that's what my books on sex taught me. After that, marriage apparently grew to have spiritual and religious signifigance.
If it causes jealousy to have people sleep around, then better to decrease the surplus population.
The whole "surplus population" thing makes sense, but how do we decide who's surplus? I suppose you would just go after the people you don't like, ie, Christians (since they're anti-homosexual)?
After all, many "stable" marriages end in divorce or murder because of adultery, why not just bring it out in the open, say it's around and admit it? 50% of all marriages in the US end in divorce. If your remote only worked 50% of the time, wouldn't you throw it out? If a plane took off or stayed in the air only 50% of the time, you'd be in trouble, right? Wouldn't even get on the ride, right?
Actually I wouldn't throw out that remote, I'd just keep it somewhere and buy a new one XD. But meh, I get the analogy. Thing about that 50% though is what I mentioned earlier - people were treating marriage like a legal contract when it's supposed to be a religious ceremony (that's really all it exists for these days, as women can provide for themselves and adultery will be commited anyways, thwarting both material benefits of monogamous union). Is it really a surprise, seeing American culture? American culture seems to focus a lot on beauty (NOT a long-lasting thing by a long shot) and money (NOT a good tool to build good relationships).
Also, how many guys have you met who would rather sleep around or have quick hook-ups or girlfriends than a life-long commitment to one person?
To be honest, this is one of the few weird/creepy questions that I
don't ask
. But as for me, I honestly don't see how sleeping around could possibly be fun. I suppose I'm rather feminine in my emotional taste (in fact, according to some of the books I've read, I have almost all of the traits of female relational desires and almost none of the male traits). SEX ISN'T FUN. I don't care what any people tell me, I've read books on it before - to be honest, the descriptions sound PAINFUL, not "pleasurable." And I've also been told by good sources that it's the same feeling you get while having a wet dream. I never felt anything particularly pleasurable (or noticable at all) while having a wet dream. And the whole idea that you can get pleasure from having your genitals rubbed is just plain... stupid. I've tried masturbation before. It doesn't work. It's the same feeling I get while having a wet dream. Nothing at all (and I can't make myself ejaculate by masturbating either).
So I don't see why a bunch of hookups is fun. I want LOVE. I want a nice girl who actually cares about me, who I know won't betray me for some other guy. There's not many people like that in America.
... hmm, maybe I went on about my sex life too much... should I delete all that?
I say we ban straight marriages and settle the whole damn thing. /rant
(I really did this because I'm tired of seeing gay "marriage" on the forum list, and you homophobic assholes don't care if it offends me to put loving marriage in quotation marks when it's same-sex)
Ooh, I wouldn't do that if I were you. Not only is that a direct violation of the whole "freedom of religion" thing, it'd make the Christians go NUTS. The thing about most Christians (particularly in America) is that they're passive. They don't actively go around talking about Christianity, they don't make religion a part of their every day life. But rather like sheep, when they hear "Christian," they think "good person." This is frequently taken advantage of in politics. Thing is, though, those "sheep" are gonna go INSANE if you make a move against Christianity.
Put shortly, if you ban straight marriage, you can expect a massive riot across America.
Also, I'm sick of you posting insults about non-gay ("homophobic") people. Sure, I can understand why it would irritate you to see that "Gay 'marriage'" thread. I can also understand why a lot of threads might aggravate a Christian, ie, me. Not so much on here (like I've said before, this is the most religious site I've been too XD), but on other forums, there's a lot of anti-Christian and anti-religion in general stuff we're expected to put up with.
To sum up all of the above (for those who were too lazy to read), I can definitely see where you're coming from, but I can't agree with your ideas.
EDIT:
My goal was to offer a solution by leaving marriage up to the church, and civil unions up to the state. Chances are homosexual couples aren't religious, or at least not of the religious type which frowns upon gay marriage.
EXACTLY one of the things I was trying to say. If you can't understand what I'm trying to get at, this guy might be able to explain it to you
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Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 17 2009, 2:15 am by Jesusfreak.
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