yea that was my initial thought as well how do u solve the begining game play? i myself have quite a bit of trouble with any capping what so ever. To cap a spawn i most certainly need to move the directions of base spawn arround. There a very few chars i can actually compete 1v1 at the very begining because my L1 doesn't do enough for the time it lasts at the begining even though its perfectly fine later on.

But i think i would rather have another slow char that an over powered one like the summoner. The summoner is quite slow starting now but hes more balanced which is great. So yea there are some draw backs to changing the damage.

Thats because he can practically double lane if placed correctly and if u rush your civs for minerals. maybe u should make him like LM and give him really weak attack and make his lvl 1 an attack. ;o

Volt's L1 attacks air units.

It's really annoying -_-;;

Weakening his attack won't do much I guarantee that. Thing is, it's still splash damage. You'll inevitably hit targets that have low health. And even it takes you 2-3 more attacks to kill spawns, you're still guaranteed to kill them. Ultimately it wont make that much difference, if any.

First of all, I am quite furious that you all hated on basshunter's DotA song... He making fun of dota players.

Also, I side with killer. Because of system lag and unit attack speed, you can not manual a good volt's l2.

Also, I'm all for ed damage reduction.

Lastly, did you ever consider making the dm's l2, l3, and l4 activate at the orb?

Oh and another thing... You should look into line effect spells. Where something flies over an area, and at the end of the spell, something happens at the area it flew over. Not like engineers l4, but where it happens at the end of the spell. Get me? It's quite simple to trigger actually.

i think it's a good way to counter science vessels

1. by the lyrics you have no way to know he was "making fun of dota players" unless he said it in swedish somewhere, and yes i know the lyrics translated, its simply about stuff you do in dota.

2.thatd be terrible because it'd mean you would have to have an orb out at all times even if youre fighting a mech and a volt, so basically MASSIVELY feeding them.

It's also a good way to ohk Bombers, which are also transports.

Get what I'm saying here?

You could change that by upping the hp of the orb or decreasing the experience it gives. Also, the fact that the volt's l1 kills air units seems to be a glitch kinda. It shud be something that's fixed. It also doesn't help the volt at all since the CPU gets the kill. It also gives volt an unfair advantage against engineer and assault, where he can completely counter many of their spells with a l1...

Also, decreasing ed dmg might not change early game, but it will change it later so it can't 1 hit more advanced spawn.

The dark orb should have an hp increase. Rines are always killing em early game
Volt's s1 should stay the way it is. ShredderIV, why do you think that it doesnt help the volt? The kills shouldnt go to the players anyways since a corsair and a dropship give tons of exp. Its useful for killing attacking bombers and dweb. It would be extremely hard to kill assault without it.

I agree with Yoshi, Dm's dark orb Hp should be higher. Also Assault's sair should be also, when mech gets like 7 ups, you can easy the sair...

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If you activate the DM's spells at the orb then you would probably miss more often since it is more likely to be attacked and thrown off course. The DM uses the spells for a reason.

Edit:

Alright let's add more to this. If you increase the health, no one can kill it and then the DM can stay in base or exp grind while you send you orb to kill other players. Lowering the exp gain makes it unfair to have to kill the orb with increased health. Either way it doesn't work.

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Wow, I just played the new 1.5, it has some serious balance issue's, Assault (Marine) is SOOOO op I cant even tell you, his L1 is fucking godly, stun AND damage?... all these changes man, it's not even temple siege anymore. This is why I don't play DotA, you're making the map suck.

You know you can dodge that right?

So I just finished playing a game, and found 2 major things, both with mutant.
1. Lurks have hp, so units attack them and not mutant.
2. If mutant loses his last life while l3, lurks, are being used, the lurks aren't killed, and so he has like 12 full hp eds, and is still in the game.

Also, one thing that I found kinda gay is the phantom's l2, in the fact that he TURNS INTO the power shot. It would be much better if it created a seperate ghost to attack instead of turning him into it.

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both easy to fix, 2. just give the player a unique DC when mutant is picked and change the CUWP for 1

Well I'm sorry Mr. Temple Siege Master... I didn't guess that by not releasing the version people would actually think these things are final and bitch loudly and proudly about it...

Thanks Pigy_G.. you just made my job easier by scratching one off the potential testers list. Good job!

Report this post, I do not care. Pigy_g your the biggest noob ever, cut it out.

Shredder: Why so much hate for volt....everytime i see you post you complain about volt alot, its great the way it is...please just stop the hate. The volt has been nerfed repeatedly.

He hasn't complained about volt for a while =P

I have, however. I guess I should just stop trying to be a badass with transports.

I agree with the comment on Pigy_g completely.

I also agree with pigy_g... in a more polite way Marine was overpowered before with its old sucky spells, +3 and 4200 hp. It required no skill to play it and now, it has PARALIZING SPELLS! This is very overpowered. A power/para rine could easily demolish any hero other than mech and archer if they get hit. To make it worse, the rine can drain mana while the opponent is paralized so mana dependant heroes have no hope. Unlike the Fbat, the rine can shoot through the dweb because it is ranged. It makes short work of many heroes when used correctly. Also, spell 1...it is too overpowered. Without any ups, it would do about 200 (?) dmg. That is a lot when it is early game. It is also very easy to hit now, so many low hp heroes would get smooshed. I think spell 1 would do better with just a stun and rine would do better with +2.