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Feb 23 2009, 11:06 pm
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Feb 24 2009, 4:44 pm A_of-s_t Post #21

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The movie business was not the same then as it is now. Movies themselves were still pretty novel, sort of like how video games are today. Also, today's movies have retardedly large budgets, whereas the studios of the old days would pump out several dozen inexpensive movies a year. The few successful ones would make up for the numerous flops.

Also, I support marijuana's legalization. Moar money, plz.
Movies were expensive to make back then -- at least some of them. I believe there was one movie that had a buget of over 3 million dollars and flopped in movie theatres. Its a perfect parallel.



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Feb 24 2009, 4:52 pm MillenniumArmy Post #22



I think the reason MJ is so "popular" is because of the fact that it is illegal. Once legalized, much of the thrill of smoking weed will be gone. It's kind of like underage drinking. It seems "fun" and "exciting" when you know that you are under 21 and that you undergo the risk of getting caught drinking alcohol. Once you do turn 21, you lose that thrill.

So IMO if MJ does get legalized, I don't necessarily think that the amount of MJ use will increase as much of the incentive to do it would be eliminated. As someone once told me, "rules are made to be broken."



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Feb 24 2009, 5:12 pm Forsaken Archer Post #23



Can Cali even do this? Doesn't federal laws overrule state laws?



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Feb 24 2009, 6:38 pm Falkoner Post #24



They propose this every time.. It's been done before and has been put down before, most likely it will be again, they've already legalized it for "medical reasons" of course it's nothing compared to other pain killers like morphine, so it's pretty useless there, this is going to get shot down, almost guaranteed.



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Feb 24 2009, 8:44 pm Vrael Post #25



Quote from name:isolatedpurity
Can Cali even do this? Doesn't federal laws overrule state laws?
It may be possible that California could win this case, if it were to make it to the supreme court.
Quote from name: The Tenth Amendment, The United States Constitution
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It should be noted that Congress has the constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce, and in the case of Gibbons v. Ogden as decided by the supreme court, the federal law took precedence (this was later muddled by cases like Wickard v. Filburn and U.S. vs E.C. Knight co.). This does differ from the current situation however. If a California law was passed that legalized MJ and a federal law illegalizes it, that would be a direct conflict, unlike any case I am currently aware of. In previous cases, the state law conflicts with some aspect of the constitution, such as the interstate commerce clause, and not directly with a federal law. Such a direct conflict would be a complicated case, and I believe the 10th Amendment would take precedence.

I think it may also be possible that both laws could exist simultaneously. Say you were caught by a federal agent, like an FBI agent, with MJ, and you were tried for possession in a federal court, then the federal law might apply. But if the california legalization passed, and you were caught by a state trooper, he might not be authorized to enforce the federal law. A similar law is in regards to the drinking age. The drinking age used to be different in every state, and congress could not pass a law setting it explicitly at 18 years of age due to the federalist system, the conflict with state laws, so what they did to make it a national standard was cut federal funding to the states that did not comply until the state legislatures complied.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Feb 24 2009, 8:50 pm by Vrael.



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Feb 24 2009, 9:17 pm MadZombie Post #26



Quote from Mini Moose 2707
I think the reason MJ is so "popular" is because of the fact that it is illegal. Once legalized, much of the thrill of smoking weed will be gone. It's kind of like underage drinking. It seems "fun" and "exciting" when you know that you are under 21 and that you undergo the risk of getting caught drinking alcohol. Once you do turn 21, you lose that thrill.

So IMO if MJ does get legalized, I don't necessarily think that the amount of MJ use will increase as much of the incentive to do it would be eliminated. As someone once told me, "rules are made to be broken."
Lets pretend cigarettes were illegal and you replaced the "marijuana" in this post with "cigarettes" then it might be true.

Obviously you are a pot virgin :) GJ (no sarcasm intended)



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Feb 24 2009, 11:22 pm Mr.Camo Post #27



I've been smoking Maurijuana since I've been 15 years old, however, I don't do stupid shit on it (drive, go out in public, etc.) I used to do it because it was cool, but I've also gone two years without even going through cravings for it.

I believe that everybody should have further education on the subject, and if you want, watch "Super High Me", yes, it's a rip off of Super Size Me with Maurijuana. However lame as it sounds, it actually does a good job of educating people. I believe the lung capacity of a pot smoker vs. a non pot smoker at maximum was around a 13% difference, there are also "healthier" ways to put THC into your system. However, I digress.

The economical benefit out-weighs the "right" of it, of course laws would have to be in put in effect for DUI's and all that stuff. Amsterdam is doing well.



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Feb 25 2009, 1:43 am A_of-s_t Post #28

aka idmontie

What about brownies? Do they cover brownies in this movie? Brownies do not affect the lungs. And by brownies, I mean special brownies. Short sentences ftw.



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Feb 25 2009, 3:14 am poiuy_qwert Post #29

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Quote from A_of-s_t
Quote from name:Shocko
Marijuana is mind altering and burns your lungs, makes people lazy and tired. Drug Dealers will still be drug dealers, those who sell marijuana will have to just move up the chain. With so much surplus in marijuana there will be a defecit in need for other drugs. Don't be surprised if homelessness, spousal dispues/abuse and teen pregnancy go up or test scores, work ethics and general standards to come down.
Slippery Slope Fallacy, anyone? If anything, test scores could go up since I am REALLY good at calculus when I have special brownies.

:O I didn't know you smoked (or ingested :P) weed! Sweet :D

Anyway, I think its a good move.




Feb 25 2009, 3:14 am Syphon Post #30



Quote from Mini Moose 2707
I think the reason MJ is so "popular" is because of the fact that it is illegal. Once legalized, much of the thrill of smoking weed will be gone. It's kind of like underage drinking. It seems "fun" and "exciting" when you know that you are under 21 and that you undergo the risk of getting caught drinking alcohol. Once you do turn 21, you lose that thrill.

So IMO if MJ does get legalized, I don't necessarily think that the amount of MJ use will increase as much of the incentive to do it would be eliminated. As someone once told me, "rules are made to be broken."

I love drinking because I love getting drunk. So drunk I can barely stand. That thrills me. Drinking people under the table thrills me.

I could care less that I'm underage.



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Feb 25 2009, 3:16 am Mr.Camo Post #31



Quote from A_of-s_t
What about brownies? Do they cover brownies in this movie? Brownies do not affect the lungs. And by brownies, I mean special brownies. Short sentences ftw.

It covers "edibles", but if I remember correctly he only eats a chocolate bar with THC in it (from weed) once or twice. He mentions most ways of smoking, and he uses most of them. Did you guys know Sarah Silverman smoked?



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Feb 25 2009, 3:53 am Vi3t-X Post #32



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Assemblyman Tom Ammiano will announce legislation on Monday to legalize marijuana and earn perhaps $1 billion annually by taxing it.

Mecke said Ammiano's proposed bill "would remove all penalties in California law on cultivation, transportation, sale, purchase, possession, or use of marijuana, natural THC, or paraphernalia for persons over the age of 21."

The bill would additionally prohibit state and local law officials from enforcing federal marijuana laws. As for Step Two -- profit -- Ammiano's bill calls for "establishing a fee on the sale of marijuana at a rate of $50 per ounce." Mecke said that would bring in roughly $1 billion for the state, according to estimates made by marijuana advocacy organizations.

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Smart move, in my opinion.
I think it may bring in a lot to the state which is a good thing seeing our current times, and will obviously decrease crime what having it not be illegal.
What do you all think?
Let's keep this a friendly discussion, gents!

Marijuana has been legal in Ontario for years.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2958.html

Its good for the economy, not so great for the people, but what are you going to do?



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Feb 25 2009, 4:06 am poiuy_qwert Post #33

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Yeah, I live in Ontario :P I always hear its legal to have weed perifinelia and up to 28 grams (1oz) on you, any more then that and you can be charged with trafficking, and of course doing it is illegal.




Feb 25 2009, 5:03 am Doodan Post #34



Quote from Mr.Camo
Did you guys know Sarah Silverman smoked?

I would think that the list of celebrities that don't would be shorter.



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Feb 25 2009, 5:46 am Echo Post #35



America is really falling apart here. I'm not suprised California is the first to go down. Legalization for a drug that is harmful to your body, nice. Medical marijuana is okay, but legalizing it for public use isn't.



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Feb 25 2009, 5:52 am A_of-s_t Post #36

aka idmontie

Quote from name:Bill Clinton
America is really falling apart here. I'm not suprised California is the first to go down. Legalization for a drug that is harmful to your body, nice. Medical marijuana is okay, but legalizing it for public use isn't.
Show me an emperical study that conclusively proves it has harmful side effects.



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Feb 25 2009, 6:58 am MillenniumArmy Post #37



http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/Marijuana3.html

Although marijuana is not as bad as people make it sound (ironically, doing something legal like smoking cigarettes/tobacco is more harmful) but when people start overusing it, the bad will start heavily outweighing the good as that article mentions



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Feb 25 2009, 2:34 pm WoAHorde Post #38



Quote from name:Bill Clinton
America is really falling apart here. I'm not suprised California is the first to go down. Legalization for a drug that is harmful to your body, nice. Medical marijuana is okay, but legalizing it for public use isn't.

If marijuana must remain illegal, let's make Alcohol and tobacco illegal too, because they are both more harmful.



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Feb 25 2009, 2:46 pm InsolubleFluff Post #39



I agree that tobaco should be ilegalized, however alcohol is bad in high consumptions. It's not particularly healthy (1g contains 7 calories that your body can't use for anything useful, just stores) Though I do think alcohol should ID everyone, not just those that LOOK young. Does marijuana similar to cocaine in weight loss? If not, is it not arguable that the junk food consumed by most who smoke, is a heart risk?



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Feb 25 2009, 9:44 pm Echo Post #40



Quote from name:Franklin D Roosevelt

If marijuana must remain illegal, let's make Alcohol and tobacco illegal too, because they are both more harmful.
Okay, I'm fine with that.

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Show me an emperical study that conclusively proves it has harmful side effects.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/f/mjp_faq12.htm (Source : http://www.drugabuse.gov/)

Not only that, but I've had friends that are now drug addicts. Marijuana in my opinion, as well as others are known to be a gateway drug. Not only do they hurt you harmfully, like "killing" brain cells, but people under the use of marijuana can seriously get hurt. Lack of awareness. Basically, for me, I find that marijuana is harmful in many ways, not only physically from what I seen, which is considered experience. If it wasn't harmful, hey, why don't parents just let their kids just do marijuana?



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