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Dec 13 2008, 2:58 am
By: KrayZee
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Dec 15 2008, 11:59 pm KrayZee Post #401



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I personally believe that Centreri is the problem. He was the first and only one to complain about the Action Points, I removed it and later caused confusion. He is the first person to beg for a super military power and obliterate Echo in "One" game month (One real life week). He is complaining about a pity example that hasn't happened yet, but I asked him to learn from his actions. Out of all players, he is a real nuisance.
I eject from this. I call complete bullshit on you, Krayzee.

I didn't do anything bad. I increased my army size from 1% to 2.33% of my population, a fair wartime tactic when the two sides are rather even. Hell, it's less then double what the US uses in relative peacetime, and far, far less then the scales used in WWII. Then I invaded Echo. He did nothing to save himself. What idiot needs a super military to defeat someone who does nothing except whine that I'm not allowed to attack them? Yes, my double army can completely obliterate him under such conditions, any idiot can see that. However, you suddenly jumped in with insurrection, and you can't even FIND a precedent when the successful attacker collapsed in on himself, much less come up with a reason for MY probable insurrection. There was no joblessness, unless I started out starving there was enough grain to feed my army, my civilians and even a get a surplus. There's no 'super military power' there. I dropped my plans for instant airships and extended it instead to long-term plans, attacking Echo with base forces. You came up with bullshit excuses for why I'm losing, ranging from 'month-long march' to 'Doodle's ships are getting faster and faster en route', which show not only a complete disregard to the GEOGRAPHY of Europe (I say Europe because you didn't, my friend, come up with a distance scale on the damn map, so we use that of Europe!), but the basic, toddler-understandable principles of Doodle's ships not benefiting from the damn upgrades because they were not researched on the fleet, but rather in his nation.

Your examples of aftermaths of my actions are such bullshit that you couldn't even back them up properly. Your only argument to my counterarguments was 'AND LASTLY, THE EVENT IS NOT REAL', followed by ' I'm not going to argue, but you should learn.' and 'Month 3 can be the uprising in your invasion', which is to say you can't back up what will happen, but it will happen unless I back off, which you reiterated here: 'Only that Centreri asked me to remove the Action Points, made me make an example aftermath of his actions, and is really complaining.' Your best arguments BEFORE that to my counterarguments to your apocalyptic prediction were 'Daily life. Which clearly empties that out. Your need additional food to supply.' (which is stupid, because, again, I start with the assumption that you gave everyone an economy that was able to provide bread for its citizens...), 'You control a fictional nation under your own written information.', which is completely irrelevant, and my favorite one, 'Not BS, the whole point of this game is to be wise.', which is completely... what's the word... you get the point. You're affecting to being the peaceloving, wise, argument-hating moderator, simply because you have no effective arguments to back up any of your apocalyptic predictions.

That's playing god, not being a damn moderator.

As for action points, as I said, it makes this a mindless game that allows you to invest minimal amount into citizen happiness and the rest into army. The problem with Krayzee's brilliant implementation for the more realistic system is that he created absolute 0 guidelines for how much a single monie can accomplish, and better yet, his complete inadequacy in economics (the basic grasp of which can be gotten from Wikipedia) led to an unknown gross domestic product for each country and in turn an unknown government income, no taxation/benefits/happiness system, etc. Yes, it's more complicated to keep that in check, but it's far, far more customizable and interesting. Additionally, Krayzee completely neglected to specify what we start with other then our civilians, our 'military units' (which I just guessed are soldiers), and our monies. And, yippee, additionally, from a 3/5 ratio in action points and thus action we went to a 1/6 ratio in population (which, together with natural resources, education, infrastructure and economic system can easily be used to DEFINE economic power (and, hey, look at how those others all start out the same...)) and a 1/20 funds ratio. This huge imbalance, together with the pathetically slow pace of time, made the only way for a smaller nation to begin to even be able to even ANNOY a primary nation to be through annexation of your neighbors.

Population, really, in itself makes no sense, since population density throughout Europe stayed pretty constant throughout history so land area ratio of two countries should be rather close to the population ratio...

In conclusion, you are a completely inadequate host for a geopolitical non-MAD war game. You are biased, prissy, you do what you want to protect who you want, and the sad thing is, you can't even think of some decent defenses.

Kaias, before I'm gone, I would just like to inform you that that attack would be completely crushed, since I invaded Echo with 100,000 units and left 75,000 special-trained soldiers to defend, so your... 60,000 soldiers are really an annoyance at best, especially since you're the only one attacking even now. I think you've forgotten my draft already. I can destroy your army, leaving enough troops to destroy your defenders as well (splitting the army... tsk tsk) and invading your country forthright, albeit with a pathetically small army. And you probably wouldn't even have thought of drafts, because so far no one else here has!

You people just don't read...

As my last act as Czar Vladislav of Kievan Rus, I reunify with Russia to the North, dismantle my infrastructure, take all I can with me, and use my small Caspian Sea navy to bring my troops and civilians to Russian and thus unassailable land. You can attack my regular Kievan Rus land, but there's nothing there now. Enjoy.
You just pushed me to the fucking limit, Centreri. I spent two whole days of effort to establish this and you are REALLY, REALLY WASTING MY TIME. What did you do? Spending thirty minutes on country biography, flag, and plans? I actually wasted more of my time trying to write out an example "Aftermath" of what will happen, then you are really, really complaining where at the same time, I'm trying to write how the game works. Sending an "ENTIRE" Army of default soldiers to a nation is the most redundant attack ever. You couldn't even think that anyone north and west of you can easily wipe you out by invading your defenseless country. As soon as I dropped "Action Points", I immediately try to set out how the game works but I was waay too busy trying to organize players to the first post. Do you have any idea how long I'm trying to work on this? I am completely wasting my leisure time and all I get is complain, complain, complain off from you. You are the only one COMPLAINING!

I'm going to write out rules that requires each player to draw a map and directions of their plans. The time line is set to the early 1800s, the United States was a weak nation during that time. Which is retarded how you are trying to compare from the 1800s to the 1940s without ever stating the Civil War, Revolutionary War, etc. I'm trying to establish ways how to work with the economy and the battles. And I will be working on it.

Example Month 3 is NOT written because no plans were written by anyone. No SHIT, Centreri.
As for arguments, Centreri, whether you are trying to argue a tired person who often thinks a lot and gets his mind mixed up, doesn't mean you are right. You didn't even supply your armies, at all. Of course they are going to be exhausted. And if you can tell, Echo's army can attack you from the right, and his allies will attack you from the left, therefore crushing your invasion. Your 'map' is just a straight arrow, a circle in Echo's country, then straight again.

Population is for BALANCE. Why the fuck does that matter? More people waste on another country?

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Special trained soldiers? You have no special trained soldiers because Month 1 hasn't passed yet and you haven't given any god damn time to train them, and release them. I actually told you that you require to use TIME to benefit such 'special trained soldiers'. The enemy will auto-retaliate against your invasion, and knowing that 9.5/10 of the your entire army is still behind the front lines.

Of course I read, I'm just really busy.

There are no real countries in this game. Russia does not exist in this game. The resources from real life does not exist at the same spot in Eporue. Resources will be discovered at random throughout progression.



NOTE - I didn't bother writing a really long post because it's wasting my time.



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