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Zerglings' Appearance in SC2
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Aug 22 2008, 8:59 am
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Aug 28 2008, 7:48 pm Vi3t-X Post #41



Nightmarish invaders with shades of purple, blue and pink. War2 Engine Go Go Go.



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Aug 28 2008, 8:25 pm Demented Shaman Post #42



SC2 zergling design sucks. The wings are pointless and they aren't even functional. And they also look too bulky and stupid.

If it looked like this picture it would be so much better.



And they messed up the heads too in the new design. At least make it look like the SC portrait which is more canine like instead of a flat face.

I basically agree with everything the topic starter said.



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Aug 28 2008, 9:13 pm StrikerX22 Post #43



hah, I guess I really have no reason to point out the flaws in the "insect" argument =P. That was lame at best.

Quote from name:Urmom(U)
Can anyone else barely differentiate units in the overhead picture? That's what I dislike about Zerg so far, with Protoss and Terran it's pretty easy but for Zerg it's just a blob of color.
I'm not really sure how well I myself can judge this aspect, since most of the videos I've viewed are pretty low quality. But I'm sure this kind of thing would get more fine-tuned at the end, regardless of design choices.

As for the above Image, yeah, I'd prolly say it's one of the best, but it's unfortunate we can't see the face well. The pic's one of two sc: ghost zergling pics I've seen, and they look quite a bit different. the other one is not so great:



And yeah I'd say my biggest complaint is the head/face, but the body shouldn't be too fat either. Just doesn't fit the role or the traditional unit. And another thing, the wings that WERE there (insect-like ones) would never have any use at the zergling's scale, even if still thin =P. It's stretching modern science fiction. Bat-like wings (which I'd rather not see any at all) would be more likely to lift the thing and have SOME function.



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Aug 28 2008, 9:21 pm Demented Shaman Post #44



Quote from StrikerX22
hah, I guess I really have no reason to point out the flaws in the "insect" argument =P. That was lame at best.
No. Zerg aren't insects. Insects have exoskeletons and Zerg do not.

If anything they're more reptilian.

It also depends on which zerg units you're talking about.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Aug 28 2008, 9:33 pm by Donkey Punch.



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Aug 28 2008, 9:32 pm The Great Yam Post #45



The initial zerg form WAS an insect, the Larvae are the closest representative of the original Zerg species.

However, this does not mean that all the species or mutations of the zerg are necessarily insectoid.



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Aug 28 2008, 9:34 pm Demented Shaman Post #46



Quote from The Great Yam
The initial zerg form WAS an insect, the Larvae are the closest representative of the original Zerg species.

However, this does not mean that all the species or mutations of the zerg are necessarily insectoid.
Exactly.


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Insects possess segmented bodies supported by an exoskeleton, a hard outer covering made mostly of chitin. The segments of the body are organized into three distinctive but interconnected units, or tagmata; a head, a thorax, and an abdomen. The head supports a pair of sensory antennae, a pair of compound eyes, one to three simple eyes ("ocelli") and three sets of variously modified appendages that form the mouthparts. The thorax has six segmented legs (one pair each for the prothorax, mesothorax and the metathorax segments making up the thorax) and two or four wings (if present in the species). The abdomen (made up of eleven segments some of which may be reduced or fused) has most of the digestive, respiratory, excretory and reproductive internal structures.




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Aug 28 2008, 9:52 pm Vi3t-X Post #47



They are animals, hydralisk was a mammal, theoretically lurker must be too, Ultralisk is... ok forget it.

The wings are probably just asthesics, although I beleive only a few zerglings should have it, or at least the (female?) ones (Similar to ants).



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Aug 29 2008, 3:44 am StrikerX22 Post #48



Quote from Vi3t-X
They are animals, hydralisk was a mammal, theoretically lurker must be too, Ultralisk is... ok forget it.

The wings are probably just asthesics, although I beleive only a few zerglings should have it, or at least the (female?) ones (Similar to ants).

Lol. We don't even know how they procreated back in the dune runner days, and besides, the zerg may only make the more aggressive gender =P. In any case, it'd be more lame for only a few to have wings, and wings have already been removed.



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Aug 29 2008, 4:11 am aphtershox Post #49



Quote from name:Donkey Punch
If anything they're more reptilian.
Yeah, totally, the current zerglings look like raptors in facial structure. That's part of what makes them kinda cute. Totally not a bug. Several of the units look reptilian.

Also, I've noticed a lot of people still complaining about the wings here... the wings are not really the issue right now--if you didn't like them, as it's been mentioned, they've been removed, and frankly I find the rest of the SC2 zergling's body structure to be more concerning... As we've said, they're too bulky and their faces are not raptor-like anymore. That entirely changes the creature.



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Aug 29 2008, 9:16 pm Demented Shaman Post #50



Quote from Vi3t-X
They are animals, hydralisk was a mammal, theoretically lurker must be too, Ultralisk is... ok forget it.

The wings are probably just asthesics, although I beleive only a few zerglings should have it, or at least the (female?) ones (Similar to ants).
Calling them animals is like saying they're alive. It's dumb and doesn't negate anything that's been claimed here such as saying they're insects because, as it's been pointed out before, insects are animals.

I think using the original creatures before they were assimilated into the Zerg is a good basis for classifying what they are as Zerg, but they've also undergone untold amounts of genetic modification so any one unit can have characteristics of many organisms such as insects and mammals.

Anyway, I can see zerglings as being insects but that doesn't mean they have to be round and squishy looking.


Both of these pictures look insect like but the difference is that the bottom one is too round and fleshy.
Actually the top one looks more like an insect than the bottom one.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Aug 29 2008, 9:25 pm by Donkey Punch.



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Aug 29 2008, 11:32 pm Vi3t-X Post #51



What do you propose to call it then?

Zerglings, what are they? Zerg, case justified.



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Aug 30 2008, 5:44 am StrikerX22 Post #52



Quote from Vi3t-X
What do you propose to call it then?

Zerglings, what are they? Zerg, case justified.
Nice. That's got to be the worst argument I've heard in this thread yet. =P (Then again, I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing, now that I think about it. >_>)

It's not like they haven't established an identity with that name already, you know.

And yeah I don't think either one of those pics above look like insects. The wings help, certainly, but the rest of it doesn't match. Just because it has a shell-like appearance doesn't mean it looks like an insect > >... the back spines may help a bit i suppose... but it's more like a dinosaur-ish monster-ish thingy. Can't really put it in such a natural category. But it was what it was, and the new one isn't it, that's all.



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Aug 30 2008, 5:27 pm Demented Shaman Post #53



Quote from StrikerX22
Quote from Vi3t-X
What do you propose to call it then?

Zerglings, what are they? Zerg, case justified.
Nice. That's got to be the worst argument I've heard in this thread yet. =P (Then again, I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing, now that I think about it. >_>)

It's not like they haven't established an identity with that name already, you know.

And yeah I don't think either one of those pics above look like insects. The wings help, certainly, but the rest of it doesn't match. Just because it has a shell-like appearance doesn't mean it looks like an insect > >... the back spines may help a bit i suppose... but it's more like a dinosaur-ish monster-ish thingy. Can't really put it in such a natural category. But it was what it was, and the new one isn't it, that's all.
The joints and some of the limbs such as those two spike things above them are sort of insect-like, well actually more crustacean-like. That's what makes the strongest impression on me. The skin (in the top picture) also seems more crusty or hard rather than like a hide. The outside in the bottom picture just looks like fleshy round stupid crap that makes it look fat and slow.



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Aug 30 2008, 7:19 pm FatalException Post #54



Quote from name:Moe Lester
The joints and some of the limbs such as those two spike things above them are sort of insect-like, well actually more crustacean-like. That's what makes the strongest impression on me. The skin (in the top picture) also seems more crusty or hard rather than like a hide. The outside in the bottom picture just looks like fleshy round stupid crap that makes it look fat and slow.
Yeah, the SC2 concept makes it look more like it would be big, slow, and do heavy damage, which is pretty much the opposite of what it should be.

What happened to Metzen? :(



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Aug 30 2008, 8:29 pm chuiu Post #55



He's VP, doesn't do artwork for Blizzard anymore.



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Aug 31 2008, 7:31 pm KrayZee Post #56



Quote from StrikerX22
hah, I guess I really have no reason to point out the flaws in the "insect" argument =P. That was lame at best.

Quote from name:Urmom(U)
Can anyone else barely differentiate units in the overhead picture? That's what I dislike about Zerg so far, with Protoss and Terran it's pretty easy but for Zerg it's just a blob of color.
I'm not really sure how well I myself can judge this aspect, since most of the videos I've viewed are pretty low quality. But I'm sure this kind of thing would get more fine-tuned at the end, regardless of design choices.

As for the above Image, yeah, I'd prolly say it's one of the best, but it's unfortunate we can't see the face well. The pic's one of two sc: ghost zergling pics I've seen, and they look quite a bit different. the other one is not so great:



And yeah I'd say my biggest complaint is the head/face, but the body shouldn't be too fat either. Just doesn't fit the role or the traditional unit. And another thing, the wings that WERE there (insect-like ones) would never have any use at the zergling's scale, even if still thin =P. It's stretching modern science fiction. Bat-like wings (which I'd rather not see any at all) would be more likely to lift the thing and have SOME function.
That one is an in game of StarCraft Ghost, the other with the spotlight render can be seen in the cinematic cutscene.



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Sep 1 2008, 1:56 am FooFighters Post #57



Quote from aphtershox
They've gone and destroyed the zergling that everyone knows and loves.
Who says Everyone loves zerglings?
i love them, as family, but who knows who hates them...



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Sep 1 2008, 4:15 am StrikerX22 Post #58



Quote from FooFighters
Quote from aphtershox
They've gone and destroyed the zergling that everyone knows and loves.
Who says Everyone loves zerglings?
i love them, as family, but who knows who hates them...

Unless they hate them enough to want to ruin the game in some way, that viewpoint is invalid, as they wouldn't care regardless. And frankly, I don't want to consider the former. Kinda a moot point there.



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Dec 6 2008, 12:39 am Hercanic Post #59

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Now here's a Zergling...





Dec 6 2008, 3:36 am Insane Crusader Post #60



Quote from Hercanic
Now here's a Zergling...

You're kidding? That thing looks like it escaped from Starship Troopers...:0_o:



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