Here's the point:
When you make a nice thread in "Map Production", people read it, are happy, tells you the map seems cool and that's it. From there, you keep editing your first post, but no one knows it so it is just worthless, except if you like double-posting to revive your topic and simply making a new post saying something stupid like "I updated the first post". At least, this is what I do because I like updating the threads and I like my effort to be worth something.
Recently, I've asked our Code-God (Devourer), to make a post shown as "unread" when someone edits something in it. Some members saw it in the shout and started to argue. Opinions were different.
The best reason to not bring this new feature on SEN was that it would become easily annoying since minor edits such as typo fix wouldn't be worth notifying a thread as unread (which would make you waste your time).


What do you think of it? Anymore suggestions?

Go on, SENers, it is time to argue!

And now, I know you were against me even trying to get this done, Devourer, but if you delete this post, I swear that would be some stupid action. Let the SEN members decide about this and take in consideration that I brang more arguments in this post than in the shoutbox. Reconsider your position.

No.


Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 31 2009, 10:14 pm by Ultimo. Reason: look, now it thinks we have a new post.

As said, I'm against that, not because I'm lazy but because it would be annoying and probably confusing.

This shows how you haven't even taken a single minute to read the damn post.
May I quote myself?
kthxbai

Tell me, how do we detect a minor fix? This seems easily exploitable, and without a way to tell what post looks like it before it was edited (I think) you can't really report it.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Dec 31 2009, 10:48 pm by Ultimo. Reason: minor fix again, sorry.

Again, let me quote myself:
Gosh -.-

I love this idea. This would make it easier for people to update their topics more easily. The problem Is I think this needs to be applied to first post only as it would be extremly hard to have this apply anywhere else.

btw I think I see whast ultimo is getting at. when marked as new and someone enters going to check unless they know exactly what msg the last person posted and who that person was it makes it rather hard to tell it was updated.

The best Thing I can think of is when the main post is updated it should maybe make a little note at the bottom of the last page letting people know it has been updated without creating useless spam.]


overall I like the idea.

As much as I'd like to agree with payne, I'm siding with Ultimo and Devourer. People who abused it just to get attention would constantly do it just keep their map at the top of the list.. As soon as it went down 1 spot they'd go edit it. It'd be a spam war between topics to see who could keep their topic at the top.

SEN would be the ultimate spamfest in all forums for those who enjoy keeping their maps at the top. Sorry payne

what stops them from doing this now? Moderation and Banning. They can check to make sure something Isn't being constantly updated. A limit on updates say 1 per day with an alotment of 7 per week extra to make quick fixes ect.

As long as it's an option (by default off) in editing the original post, not automatic, then it really should be fine.

If people abuse it, so what? They can be dealt with through proper channels - just as if they did something like add a post at the end of the topic saying "bump" or something similar. Although with the current system you can probably get away with saying something like "new updates made" in a new post to bump the topic. It's what I always did when necessary.

I hate multiple-posting to bump threads, so if this is a way to prevent that, then I'm for it. And if it gets abused, we'll dole out severity/suspensions.

If it is just a matter of bumping threads, though, I've seen a lot of forums that have a system where threads get bumped automatically when the first (or last) post is edited.

Suprised to see the 'Yes' votes come out higher than the 'No' votes

That might change soon, however, who knows. Might not.

Seeing how this would be optional, and the previous posts I've read, I wish I could make my vote a 'Yes' now, because I've changed my mind on this topic. D:

I edited my map production topic http://www.staredit.net/topic/8640/unread/#special about 50 times. Some were some spelling errors while most were new updates. I see this "edit shows as new posts" as a minor thing because people are gonna bump anyway if this isn't implemented. This just makes it a bit more legal =)

Ok, persuaded, I'll try to make that the first post get a checkbox "Make topic as unread", cannot promise anything though.

EDIT: added a bumping function which still is a bit buggy and I might remove it. We'll see. For now it will bump it back to the top inside of a forum index, not in the whole index itself :S (buggy, as said)

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 1 2010, 2:11 pm by DeVouReR.

I win.
=)

Thanks to the community finally understanding my point.
And for those thinking it would be abused. We can already abuse of posting at the end of a thread to revive it. It would just become a new way to do it... and do people abuse of posting at the end of a thread to revive it? No, rare are these cases.

Post Scriptum : Devourer, enable the "change vote". People do change their mind after voting (like Marine) and the poll then does not reflect the reality.

What?

From the forum index, the topic is not bumped (it is not the most recently shown post), but if you actually click in the index, your topic is bumped to the top with the actual sub-forum.

This topic served its purpose.
Thx to Devourer.

P.S. Devourer said I had 5% chances of making his mind change... it seems like I succeeded