SEN Hero Sanctuary

Date: 12/10/09 (Thursday)
Time: 7:00PM EST
Place: USeast in channel Op SEN

Congrats to SarahKerrigan, hatty5, and Soviet_Dragon who won the tournament

Rules & Regulations
- Single elimination. No Bo3.
- The Tournament's official version will be the latest released BETA version Norm- has ready. http://www.staredit.net/topic/8662/ (the actual version looks to be BT2 as of now)
- If you lost your match (and didn't host), but the version you played was not the official one - you may request a rematch.
- There will be NO hacks, spoofs or other starcraft modifications tolerated.
- You may not wall-in your spawn.
- You may not manually click attack your spawn with fast attack animation units, you may 'team splash' your own spawn. The only instance you are allowed to purposely kill your own team's spawn is if they are blocking your path.
- Player summon killing is more strict. You may not 'team splash' player summons. Only the occasional accident is allowed.
- If you end end up with a glitched unit from a spell cast like a Valkyrie, leave it at the back of your base or suicide it.
- Teams will consist of 3 players.
- These rules are not finalized and are subject to change, including new rules, removal of previous rules, or modifications to all rules.
- Let me be clear: You won't be charged for taking advantage of anything else that you might have invented and is widely unknown. I don't punish ingenuity and thinking outside the box.
- Latency has to be low, and the no players can lag.
- you can not be forced to play more than 3 games in 1 night. If the tourny cant finish in 3 rounds, you have the OPTION of postponing your match for another day, or getting a sub.
- If you think glitching or cheating has taken place in your game, you must play the game out. The replay/screenshots will just be checked.
- Psycho and Ninja may not be on the same team.

Teams (Red are unconfirmed; no check-in)
- rel[o]ad(aka fat_flying_pigs), flashbeer, urahara
- MEMEME670, OlimarandLouie, Killer_sss
- Lorenzo, X_Zaros_Elite, Flame]Haze[
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Players without Teams:
- Jack[RCDF)(aka Zany)
- ClansAreForGays(Maybe)
- Ryukenzy
- O)Lt.Church
- me1234567890
- ProtoTank
- DMB_berwaldd
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When you guys have selected people to form teams then notify me with PM or here.


FAQ's
What is Hero Sanctuary?
http://www.staredit.net/topic/8662/ - if you can play Temple Siege, you can play Hero Sanctuary.

Is it too late for me to sign up?
Never. Even if you can't make it at 7PM, you can be made a sub for someone who left early. If you can't still too late, still play for as long as you can, you will just be subbed out.

How can I sign up?
At the most, post in this topic that you want to sign up (preferably with a team). At the least, just show up!

I'm not coming cuz I can't get a pro team together, or, There's no way I'm gonna win.
Who cares! Just come and have some fun!

What happened to the Temple Siege tourny?
I got banned, faz- offered to run it instead so I let him, then he dropped the ball too, so it was canceled. The M8 tourny will come back eventually.

waaaaah I want TS, and I never want to try anything new waaaaaaaah!
Dial whine one one.

Post has been edited 19 time(s), last time on Dec 11 2009, 5:30 am by ClansAreForGays.

Yay 4 HS!

1) me - sc user name: rel[o]ad
2) flashbeer - sc user name: notfiashbeer
3) looking for a 3rd player. Preferably a tester of the alpha versions.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 29 2009, 7:40 am by fat_flying_pigs.

I'll ask pheasel if he wants to play. I may or not be able to make it. If I can, me (Jack[RCDF) and pheasel[RCDF plus one other will be a team.

I said that I could maybe run it and then was not able to- big difference.

But yeah, should've been TS. Have fun.

Just a heads up:

There are no goblins.

Also, Maybe a link to the topic in case anyone who hasn't played the game yet wants to learn more about it?

I'll attach the map alpha to this post in case anyone can't find it to DL the most recent version. You can attach it to the first if you'd like and
I'd remove it from here.

I'd also like to sign up, but I have no team.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 7 2009, 7:19 am by Norm.

lol, I thought I caught all the TS stuff

What do you guys use, I'll join your team if itll work, i use CW.

It will be perfect if we can just get 8 teams.

Sign me up!

Eh, I'm not participating. I find Hero Sanctuary boring

Google "conditional statement" for me.

PROTIP: Post if you are entering, don't post if you aren't. Do you also post in the start of every mafia topic that you won't be playing, and that you think it's boring?

And by 8 teams I mean 4. If there are only 4 teams it should be easy enough to manage and play in the tourny.

I'm thinking about entering, but I don't know how well my CoM would fare in a competitive environment. I usually only play against Norm and he's bad, so that's not really indicative of how well I can play. I would need a team first though...

i want to enter but 1. i dont have a team, 2. ive only played 2 games of hero sanctuary; not as many people playing it as templeseige and ive been banned more than once for downloading once(wtf dude its in beta, seems obv imma download a new ver) and for being mistaken for another player in the previous game, not willing to rm for me >_>

so in short, i dont have much experience but add me for a maybe free agent.

Put me on for players without a team

can we add that rule where each team gets to ban 1 hero? Personally I think some heroes are cheaper than others; this rules helps removed a lot of "you won cuz your team used op heroes".

Please discuss which heroes are commonly considered OP so that this can be more properly avoided by having a BT version with no OPness.

No. That's a terrible solution to the problem (if there is one). TS games would suck if every game mutant and rine were banned(I don't know what the equivalent would be in HS). You fail as a map maker if this is the only way to balance your map, so I'm glad Norm is against it as well.

Bans have been standard practice in DotA since the beginning of competition in it. Mapmakers can never be perfect, bans allow the community to strategize and for the metagame to evolve independent of versioning. It also means you don't have to wait on the mapmaker to patch obvious imbalances. It has another added benefit of requiring people to be good with more than one or two heroes. I suggested bans for Temple Siege tournaments but someone shot it down there too.

People are never going to agree which heroes are the most imbalanced, so you'll never have a version that pleases everyone no matter how much you balance tweak. This just adds to the strategy of team composition, it's something I really like analyzing in HoN. If you don't think Mech is imbalanced for example, you let the other team pick him and then demonstrate why he isn't. Or, maybe you're wrong and the Mech owns everyone, and afterward he starts getting banned. That's better balance feedback than anything else can ever give. Alternatively, maybe you really like using one hero and take a risk by banning its counter, but then the other team picks up on that and picks the hero you like... etc.

Obviously, StarCraft AoS maps aren't going to have the number of heroes to allow 6 bans like DotA/HoN do, but having 1 ban per team and then alternating picks serpentine style definitely beats racing or randomizing. Always first ban = first pick.

Or, if you have another solution, I'm all ears and I'm sure the DotA community wouldn't mind hearing too. -.- This is a pretty worthwhile discussion if you're going to continue hosting AoS tournaments but here might not be the best place for it, if a mod wants to move the relevant posts.

Characters in HS that can be controversial because of the way they are designed.


My point is that someone who loses can make a case against ANY hero being OP because all of the heroes are very unique and very strong if used correctly. That is why I think such a rule is pointless.