Hi guys,

does some1 know which triggers are fired first/last?

I know the game checks P1 first and P8 last.
But what about triggers for Force1-4 and All players?

Is a trigger which is for player 5 only fired before a trigger which is for force 1 (force 1 = P1-3)?

As far as order is concerned, the forces and all players don't exist. Any triggers assigned to them are set to players individually.
A force or all players trigger could be before or after a specific player's trigger. It just depends on how you make them.

You are right in one way but,if you place the trigger under all players and say current player it does it for all players so yeah it does work.

he never said all players triggers didn't work. he said that it acts as if those triggers were there individually assigned for each players. Current Player for all players works individually for this reason.

The order when it comes to players isn't really going in a player order, but when you say 'All Players, or Current Player, it goes from Player 1, to Player 8, the actual order of triggers is how you order them, you can see the actual order in SCM Draft 2 if you use Trigedit, or if in Classic Trigedit you select all the players.

Lets show through example. In all the triggers, force 1 contains players 1-3, there are 4 players, and if it says create unit x, imply it to mean "create x units, move location 2 squares to the right" so the units are in a nice line after.

1. Player 1: create 1 marine for P1
2. All Players: Create 1 hydralisk for current player
3. Player 4: create 1 ghost for P4
4. Force 1: Create 1 dragoon for all players.

This would result in (MP1 being a marine owned by player one, for example):
MP1 HP1 DP(1-4) HP2 DP(1-4) HP3 DP(1-4) HP4 GP4

Note that in SF (last time I checked atleast) and xtra you cannot tell which trigger is above or below which in the trigger order if one is under a force title and the other under the player name. In SCMDraft classic, you can ctrl+click the two owners and see how they line up, able to move them up and down, and in regular Trigedit the order's kind of obvious.


But seriously, if you have things where trigger order matters, just don't use force owners; select every player individually that you want the trigger to run for.


EDIT: Actually, random side-note. One of the only differences I can think of in using a force instead of player by player is actually if you do "create unit for force 1" it only creates the unit for the players present in force 1, whereas if you do "create unit for player 1, 2..." it creates it for every player, present or not. There are more differences, but I haven't mapped in a while and they're not coming to me right away Just, player owner of a trigger isn't one of these differences.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Sep 28 2007, 12:31 am by fritfrat(U).

Current player also fixes it creating 'Ghost players'

A good trick for rearranging order in Xtra when you have some triggers for individual players and some for forces:

Temporarily share all triggers with one player or force.
Then, go into that player or force, and rearrange them the way you want.
When you unshare them, they will be in the order you just set them permenantly.

Or.. You can use SCM Draft like a smart person? Perhaps?

Falkoner:

That is rude and un-called for. What editor a person wants to use is their choice, not yours. Not everyone needs to do every single little trick in the book. Don't try and force people to do things your way. I don't use SCM Draft because I don't like the way the trigger editor looks and feels. I prefer Xtra, so what.

Yes, but when you are forced to go through annoying methods to do something that can be done easily with another editor that is by far superior to the one you are using, then I'd switch to the other one.

I agree that SCM Draft is a more powerful editor.
It allows you to do many things you can't with Xtra,
but not everyone even knows the base editor.
Not everyone should jump right in and use SCM Draft before getting to know the basic editor.
Its ok to give feedback on your opinions, but that doesn't make them the only correct solution.
Nor should you put down anyone else who has a different opinion.

I'm sorry for being rude, but most mappers CAN use SCM Draft from the start, I would recommend switching to it yourself, the only reason I ever used X-tra for the longest time, was because I wasn't used to the Classic Trigedit of SCM Draft, when I finally switched I was able to produce much better maps and I had no bugs from switching between editors.

What about 2. P1-4: Create 1 hydralisk for current player ?
Is it the same like 2. all players ... above?

And is it possible the last DP(1-4) is wrong? P4 isnt in Force 1 so he shouldnt create goons.

I think he meant 1-3.

Then you would only get 4 hydralisks, 1 for each player, instead of getting one for every player every time the trigger ran.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 26 2008, 4:54 am by NudeRaider. Reason: testing my new ablities

LOL, dont confuse me... Its the dragoons which are placed 3 times 4 pieces. Hyds (with all players) are placed 4 times 1 piece.
That doesnt change when I click 4 players individually.
It won't probably even change trigger order. Just wanted to be sure of that.

Its wrong too. 3 players place 4 goons, not 4 players place 3

1. Select every Player and Force and 'All Players' in the classic trigedit of scmdraft 2.

2. Now you see every trigger in the map and their trigger order.

3. The triggers are checked from up to buttom.

4. In Forces or 'All Players' or 'triggers for multiple Players' the Trigger of P1 will fire first, then the one of P2, P3, P4, ...

5. The trigger order between the different triggers can be changed. Just click on a trigger and move it up or down in the list.

Ya, sorry, I forgot that I didn't include p4 in force1. I edited it accordlingly by getting rid of the last 4 goons. Not that it matters for the purpose of trying to show trigger order

And jesus, someone close this topic.

As far as I'm concerned, all players execute their triggers at the same time.

Depending on what system you are doing, that philosophy could get you quite a few bugs.