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Obama or McCain?
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Jul 4 2008, 6:22 am
By: MillenniumArmy
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Who would you pick?
Who would you pick?
Answer Votes Percentage % Voters
Obama 100
 
80%
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McCain 26
 
21%
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Oct 21 2008, 11:43 pm Wakalord Post #521



I'd have to say Obama.



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Oct 22 2008, 2:07 am Echo Post #522



Quote from name:ChaosNihilism
I'd have to say Obama.
Why? You can't just say who you are voting for without an explanation, or it would be considered partial spam.



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Oct 22 2008, 2:21 am MillenniumArmy Post #523



It's not spam at all, this thread is simply asking who you are voting for. However, if you want to discuss why you think your person should win, believe that others are wrong in picking their people, or want to say something about the candidates then that's where reasoning, arguments, and sources are needed.



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Oct 22 2008, 8:29 pm Xx.Doom.xX Post #524



McCain.

I don't see the point in giving people money who don't want to work and would rather just live off the government.

I haven't really followed the race at all, but from the debates and what I've read, I think I'm still allowed to have an opinion. Everyone is. So don't go apeshit on me if you think I'm insulting Obama or something.



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Oct 22 2008, 11:17 pm Doodan Post #525



Not wanting to support lazy people is understandable, but be careful about wishing for the abolishing of welfare in general. What if you lose your job and fall on hard times? Should you be forced to starve, or does a little help from the government until you get back on your feet really sound that bad?



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Oct 23 2008, 7:26 pm Xx.Doom.xX Post #526



Quote from Doodan
Not wanting to support lazy people is understandable, but be careful about wishing for the abolishing of welfare in general. What if you lose your job and fall on hard times? Should you be forced to starve, or does a little help from the government until you get back on your feet really sound that bad?
Not necessarily, however he seems to be putting a lot of emphasis on these people.



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Oct 23 2008, 8:45 pm Echo Post #527



I hate how some McCain supporters only thinks for themselves. I'm a poor person, I have 2 siblings, live with my parents, and my grandparents, with only one income of a varied range of 26k to 30k yearly income. I'm voting for McCain because of reasons other than taxes, such as environmental, educational, etc, and because I believe he is a better choice by my standards.

Here is another thing to consider.
Obama claims to give these three;
Free or Cheaper Education
Better Health care
Better job oppurtunities


Amongst that, the Americans right now extremely fear draft and is against it. Now, the military today. People who join the military joins it to get a decent income, benefits such as health care, and money for education. If Obama provided this, there would be a huge shortage in our troops. Eventually there is going to be a war in our territories, our allies, or a major world war. Wouldn't Obama be forced to do a draft if there is a shortage? His plans contradicts some of his sayings. I rather not go along with his change, because a drastic change can have both an advantage on one side and a disadvantage on the other. Just a food for thought.



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Oct 23 2008, 9:12 pm Centreri Post #528

Relatively ancient and inactive

Heh. Well, it'd be nice to have a real excuse to go to Canada :P.

I don't think there will be a problem. America using using maybe 1/3 of its troops right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. There's plenty to go around.



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Oct 23 2008, 9:23 pm Echo Post #529



Quote from Centreri
Heh. Well, it'd be nice to have a real excuse to go to Canada :P.

I don't think there will be a problem. America using using maybe 1/3 of its troops right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. There's plenty to go around.
Not if Obama carries through with his "plan". There is only a short term and most of the troops right now are in their 20's. If there was better job oppurtunities, health care, and education, they will eventually stop servicing and carry on with their lives.



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Oct 23 2008, 9:33 pm Centreri Post #530

Relatively ancient and inactive

Eh. I'd worry more about it if I read about it in any analysis'/news articles. I read a lot of those. I think someone else would have caught on, though your argument makes sense. I'll assume we're missing something.

Anyway, Al-Qaeda supports McCain!

Not sure how to take it. Is it reverse-psychology, reverse-reverse-psychology, or reverse-reverse-reverse-psychology? Who knows? :rolleyes:



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Oct 23 2008, 10:04 pm SilentAlfa Post #531



Quote from Echo
Here is another thing to consider.
Obama claims to give these three;
Free or Cheaper Education
Better Health care
Better job oppurtunities

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Free or Cheaper Education[/quote[

Yes, the government will give credit towards education. This is a long-term plan because while it will cost us in the short term, one those students graduate, they will be making more money than average, hence paying more taxes than average and hence repaying the government and the entire country. I don't see the problem here.

[quote]Better Health care

Under his plan, you get the opportunity to buy the same health care as government employees. With a massive amount of people buying into the same plan, costs for everyone will go down. I've explained this before, what are you questions?

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Better job oppurtunities

McCain is promising the same thing, why aren't you hitting up McCain about that, only Obama? Regardless, jobs will be created ex. through biofuels such as algae. These types of jobs would stay in America and be able to employ people from every class.

I really don't get it. Every time you say you are voting for McCain, you say it's because of education and the environment, but you can never say why McCain's policies are better.



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Oct 23 2008, 10:22 pm Echo Post #532



Go read my previous posts before saying anything about me not saying why his policies are better. I'm not repeating myself. McCain's and Obama's plans are both promising something similar but they are different. Obama = drastic changes.



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Oct 23 2008, 10:56 pm KrayZee Post #533



Quote from Centreri
Anyway, Al-Qaeda supports McCain!

Not sure how to take it. Is it reverse-psychology, reverse-reverse-psychology, or reverse-reverse-reverse-psychology? Who knows? :rolleyes:
Indeed. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html



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Oct 24 2008, 12:29 am WoAHorde Post #534



Quote from Echo
Go read my previous posts before saying anything about me not saying why his policies are better. I'm not repeating myself. McCain's and Obama's plans are both promising something similar but they are different. Obama = drastic changes.

You have not once clearly stated why his policies are better in the entirety of this topic. Every time you are asked, you state the same exact thing; it isn't so hard, you could just copy/paste and add any modifications to your reasons for supporting your candidate.



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Oct 24 2008, 12:33 am Echo Post #535



Go back a few pages. I explained myself after someone said that all I do is repeat.



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Oct 24 2008, 10:42 pm SilentAlfa Post #536



Yes you explained yourself, and your points were disproven, you came back to re-explain, then your argument was again refuted and you never came back to clarify. So, you didn't really make the case because all of your arguments failed.

You: http://staredit.net/96617/
Me: http://staredit.net/96621/
You: http://staredit.net/96623/
Centreri: http://staredit.net/96626/
Me: http://staredit.net/96632/



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Oct 24 2008, 10:42 pm BiOAtK Post #537



"Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean we care" is a great quote, I believe.
lulronic



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Oct 25 2008, 8:45 am Echo Post #538



Quote from SilentAlfa
Yes you explained yourself, and your points were disproven, you came back to re-explain, then your argument was again refuted and you never came back to clarify. So, you didn't really make the case because all of your arguments failed.

You: http://staredit.net/96617/
Me: http://staredit.net/96621/
You: http://staredit.net/96623/
Centreri: http://staredit.net/96626/
Me: http://staredit.net/96632/

The only reason why I didn't respond was because we were going in circles. I already answered to something similar like that. All you said was some made up information from your own opinion.



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Oct 26 2008, 11:30 pm SilentAlfa Post #539



No, I stated the facts. I base my opinion off the facts, I don't make it up out of thin air. I've laid out my argument effectively, you should do so also.



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Oct 27 2008, 8:12 pm Echo Post #540



Quote from SilentAlfa
No, I stated the facts. I base my opinion off the facts, I don't make it up out of thin air. I've laid out my argument effectively, you should do so also.
You're saying I made up my shit? I used sources from Time Magazine, New York Post, readings from classes, and wikipedia. I like how you assume.

Also, one other thing about Obama. This country was based on the right to bear arms. Obama, who is against it, trying to make it illegal will completely destroy what this country stood for, as well as other things, which leads to one thing, Socialism.



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