$2.8 million lolz. I'd give up my life as a slave for that amount of money.

$2.8 million lolz. I'd give up my life as a slave for that amount of money.

People are worth very, very much, or... nothing. Depends on how you think. imo all living creatures are worth the same; except mosquitos, they ain't worth anything no matter what :-_-:

People are worth very, very much, or... nothing. Depends on how you think.
imo all living creatures are worth the same; except mosquitos, they ain't worth anything no matter what

$2,986,590 here. ^^ Although I didn't the time into it all... like the genius test and some other one... but I made sure not to overscore myself much if at all. :D

$2,986,590 here. Although I didn't the time into it all... like the genius test and some other one... but I made sure not to overscore myself much if at all.

[quote=Doktor Shotgun]Humans are worth nothing.[/quote] [quote=BeDazed]I hope to see no more groundless statements like that, please. So how are humans worth nothing? Are you worth nothing? So if you had been killed by accident, would others not care for you? Maybe in correct definition of your 'human', it must mean ONLY you.[/quote] Nothing is worth anything inherently, humans give things value. Therefore, humans (as a collective), are worth nothing, as they are the agents of determining value. Although, on an individual basis, you can't really give people a value.

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Humans are worth nothing.

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I hope to see no more groundless statements like that, please. So how are humans worth nothing? Are you worth nothing? So if you had been killed by accident, would others not care for you? Maybe in correct definition of your 'human', it must mean ONLY you.

Nothing is worth anything inherently, humans give things value. Therefore, humans (as a collective), are worth nothing, as they are the agents of determining value.
Although, on an individual basis, you can't really give people a value.

If something determines value, why would it not be able to determine it's own value?

If something determines value, why would it not be able to determine it's own value?

I must have missed something I'm only worth $1,585,272 :flamer:

I must have missed something I'm only worth $1,585,272

You are worth exactly $2,642,256. I was pretty modest, too :)

You are worth exactly $2,642,256.

I was pretty modest, too

Maybe it is because I dont drink enough lolz

Maybe it is because I dont drink enough lolz

Ok, you've had your fun with the survey, it's time to get back on the topic now.

Ok, you've had your fun with the survey, it's time to get back on the topic now.

well.. I believe that you can't put any price tag on a human being, other than that of another human.

well.. I believe that you can't put any price tag on a human being, other than that of another human.

hmm... this is like having a supercomputer calculate its own value... the only problem is that humans control the program that the super computer runs. how could we compare humans calculating the value of themselves to another thing calculating its own value?

hmm... this is like having a supercomputer calculate its own value... the only problem is that humans control the program that the super computer runs. how could we compare humans calculating the value of themselves to another thing calculating its own value?

[quote=R.I.S.K]hmm... this is like having a supercomputer calculate its own value... the only problem is that humans control the program that the super computer runs. how could we compare humans calculating the value of themselves to another thing calculating its own value?[/quote] [QUOTE=PwnPirate]If something determines value, why would it not be able to determine it's own value?[/QUOTE] It would be able to determine it's own value. However, value itself is arbitrary, and you can determine value based on an "infinite" number of things. For example the survey Tux posted does value humans apparently based on those finite set of questions. However, you could include more variables, use less, or also vary the worth of one variable in relation to another. [QUOTE] Do you believe certain people have more overall value than others (as in they have more of a right to live)? If so, what traits exactly define the "value" of a person? If not, do you believe everyone should be treated the same?[/QUOTE] Here's how those three questions should be answered: 1. Yes. 2. Impossible. Too many different traits to take into account to define an [I]exact [/I]value. 3. No. Once again too many variables in the people and circumstances and events.

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hmm... this is like having a supercomputer calculate its own value... the only problem is that humans control the program that the super computer runs. how could we compare humans calculating the value of themselves to another thing calculating its own value?

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If something determines value, why would it not be able to determine it's own value?

It would be able to determine it's own value. However, value itself is arbitrary, and you can determine value based on an "infinite" number of things. For example the survey Tux posted does value humans apparently based on those finite set of questions. However, you could include more variables, use less, or also vary the worth of one variable in relation to another.

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Do you believe certain people have more overall value than others (as in they have more of a right to live)?
If so, what traits exactly define the "value" of a person?
If not, do you believe everyone should be treated the same?

Here's how those three questions should be answered:
1. Yes.
2. Impossible. Too many different traits to take into account to define an exact value.
3. No. Once again too many variables in the people and circumstances and events.

Total: $2,490,426

Total: $2,490,426

why do you believe that certain people have more overall value than others, devilesk?

why do you believe that certain people have more overall value than others, devilesk?

Well at first I said no, but then I thought about it. People are inherently different, and differences mean there has to be variations in skill and stuff between any two people. That leads to differences in overall value. I also thought about survival of the fittest as a setting where if everyone was left to fend for themselves with nothing then the ones who survive must have some attribute that has lead to that, therefore being valued more. Also, I'm assuming overall value in general and trying to view it objectively. Value is arbitrary and each person values things differently. I think when discussing value it should always be in terms of specific traits and in relation to other things. I just had another thought. Let's say value is defined as the sum of all possible traits/variables/characteristics etc. Assuming there's an infinite number of those to take into account when trying to measure the value of anything, then everything is equal, because it's infinity.

Well at first I said no, but then I thought about it. People are inherently different, and differences mean there has to be variations in skill and stuff between any two people. That leads to differences in overall value. I also thought about survival of the fittest as a setting where if everyone was left to fend for themselves with nothing then the ones who survive must have some attribute that has lead to that, therefore being valued more. Also, I'm assuming overall value in general and trying to view it objectively. Value is arbitrary and each person values things differently.

I think when discussing value it should always be in terms of specific traits and in relation to other things.

I just had another thought. Let's say value is defined as the sum of all possible traits/variables/characteristics etc. Assuming there's an infinite number of those to take into account when trying to measure the value of anything, then everything is equal, because it's infinity.

Exactly.

Exactly.

To be accurate, worth varies with respect to goals, the goals are arbitrary, the value with respect to the goal is not.

To be accurate, worth varies with respect to goals, the goals are arbitrary, the value with respect to the goal is not.

[quote=devilesk]Assuming there's an infinite number of those to take into account when trying to measure the value of anything, then everything is equal, because it's infinity.[/quote] That is wrong, haven't you learned about limits? the limit as x approaches infinity of 2x/x is not infinity, it is 2. when comparing an infinite to an infinite, coefficients matter.

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Assuming there's an infinite number of those to take into account when trying to measure the value of anything, then everything is equal, because it's infinity.

That is wrong, haven't you learned about limits?
the limit as x approaches infinity of 2x/x is not infinity, it is 2. when comparing an infinite to an infinite, coefficients matter.

I was assuming there was no limit. [QUOTE]To be accurate, worth varies with respect to goals, the goals are arbitrary, the value with respect to the goal is not.[/QUOTE] Even if the values are not arbitrary it's like comparing apples and oranges. How can you compare two different values to eachother? There's no system of measurement for "value".

I was assuming there was no limit.

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To be accurate, worth varies with respect to goals, the goals are arbitrary, the value with respect to the goal is not.

Even if the values are not arbitrary it's like comparing apples and oranges. How can you compare two different values to eachother? There's no system of measurement for "value".

The problem is if you use an arbitrary, undebatable set of goals in order to determine value, the meaning of value becomes useless.

The problem is if you use an arbitrary, undebatable set of goals in order to determine value, the meaning of value becomes useless.