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Apr 30 2011, 4:45 pm
By: Fire_Kame  

Jun 26 2011, 8:44 am LoveLess Post #21

Let me show you how to hump without making love.

If you haven't yet, read A Signal Shattered by Eric Nylund, even though it is a sequel to another book, Signal to Noise. I still to this day do not know why the book doesn't have a movie and it was something that really got me into SciFi. To be honest, A Signal Shattered throws you right into the story and you pick it up quick even without having read the much slower paced Signal to Noise.

Anyway, I have been one of those people that remember everything I ever read or hear that is of any importance to me. A good example:

Throughout history, lizards/reptiles/snakes have been in every kind of alien/mythical/religious metaphor. Many tribes and races throughout history, even some today, have always associated Lizards with divine beings or creatures of myth. Dragons, Sea Gods, even all of the ideas of aliens have had many fish-like qualities. There are many references to Satan or Lucifer, demons as well, taking on the appearance of a snake when in this world. Or take the accounts of a tribe in Africa, who some 50 years ago, were able to identify the path a pair of twin stars' movement patterns perfectly for the next 80 years, then say that one of them is small but extremely heavy... Then were right, of course giving the benefit of the doubt that the stars spiraled together and they said the other was small but heavy, being it was a White Dwarf which is small but weighs as much as a black hole, the heaviest thing in the known universe. And they said that fish people, that they defined to look very much like dolphins, taught them this. Other religions, long since past, basically said that their angels that came from the sky were lizards as well. Now recently, most works dealing with aliens, give them reptilian qualities. Coincidence? No, I believe many of the people generating these ideas have some knowledge of this or maybe just when they think of aliens: Reptiles come up.

Anyway, your ideas sound pretty good, but I would suggest reading around for ideas and getting some deeper flavor, a better sense that can strike your readers with some hard hitting: "Oh no way! She was right!" Throwing some non-fiction in ficticious works is gold these days in my personal opinion.



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Jun 26 2011, 1:27 pm CaptainWill Post #22



I really like sci-fi, which should be obvious seeing as I like Starcraft. I've written short stories or first chapters before but I don't really have the energy or a long-term plan to carry on, plus I realise that I'm ripping off other ideas all too often. I like the idea of hard science fiction or at least plausible science fiction, and I find the classic, golden age sci-fi short stories fascinating.

An idea I've written about (when I was 16):
A meteor lands on a heavily-forested backwater of a human colony. The obsolete scanning equipment used by the local militia finds that the crashed body is hollow and a small team is dispatched into the forest to investigate. As a reader would expect, there was something not very nice inside the meteor and the team is slaughtered by a slavering mass of fangs and razor sharp limbs as they begin scanning the meteor up close. One militiaman manages to get off a garbled warning to the local commander before being ripped apart. The militia commander decides to put together a larger squad with the colony's limited supplies of modern weaponry to perform a sweep of the forest sector, and sends an officer to persuade a particular person living among the colonists to help with the sweep. This man, a former pioneer with great experience leading colonial expeditions and hero of human exploration, was exiled to the colony for political dissidence - he began campaigning against private corporate influence over the government of Earth.

The officer is knocking on the exile's door when more streaks of light burn their way through the atmosphere, landing all over the colony. The militia receive orders to evacuate the population to the spaceport and the exile leaves with the officer to help defend the colony. Another meteor lands on his house, killing his wife.

I didn't get any further but a limited number of refugees manages to evacuate, including the exile, before a human fleet arrives over the colony and razes it and the surrounding forest. The evacuees are intercepted by fighters and escorted to a prison camp where it becomes clear they are going to be executed, but obviously the exile manages to escape and then tries to get to the bottom of the situation.
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I've also wanted to write a story from the point of view of a detective working for some sort of galactic police force in a sci-fi galaxy where Earth has not had first contact (other aliens are aware of it as a place in the middle of nowhere), and the story would explore alien prejudices and attitudes towards humans etc. blah blah



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Jul 30 2011, 12:26 am IskatuMesk Post #23

Lord of the Locker Room

After an extremely long time of being unable to write I have suddenly been able to very slowly start writing again. I'm only able to manage something pathetic like 4-5 pages a day right now, but I've gone for a year and a half with zero writing so my skills are very rusty. I am at one of the most difficult areas of my revision, about 240ish pages in, where I need to write several fleet battles, some duels, and some exceptionally tough dialogue. Descriptions remain my weakest aspect in writing, so these fleet battles are going to be tough indeed.



Show them your butt, and when you do, slap it so it creates a sound akin to a chorus of screaming spider monkeys flogging a chime with cacti. Only then can you find your destiny at the tip of the shaft.

Jul 30 2011, 1:32 am ClansAreForGays Post #24



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I'm only able to manage something pathetic like 4-5 pages a day right now
We both know you wrote that so you could hear someone say "No way mesk! That's actually a lot! you're doing way more than most keep it up!", but I'm not giving it to you.

give us a general outline of this novelish thing. And im not talking about a summary of everything that happens plot by plot.
I'm asking for a skeleton, like literally writing: Intro:dream - fleet battle - character establishment dialogue - duel - filler to reinforce pre-established characters - etc

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 30 2011, 1:45 am by ClansAreForGays.




Jul 30 2011, 2:30 am IskatuMesk Post #25

Lord of the Locker Room

No, actually, 4-5 is pathetic for what I was doing in 2009.

As for the novel... err... you want a skeletal summary of the entire thing? I think that would be way too long to recite. As for where I am at currently, it basically goes;

Meeting - dialogue - plot - dialogue - confrontation - duel - (uncertain here) - introduction of new race/perspective of new character - plot - information - battle - chase - duel - fleet battle - major event

What I have to write in this current, rather difficult area is basically the 2/4 portion of Segment 1/4. This was written before, but around 7-8 years ago, so the old writing is rather icky and needs to be entirely redone, as part of the revision.

The most difficult parts in this area specifically are the dialogue and the descriptions. The introduction for the new race/perspective will contain the most difficult descriptions as I am basically describing a military cybertron fortress made out of silver, while the parts previous to this are difficult because of the dialogue. The fleet battle and large parts to come will probably be rather easy to go through, but I'll have to heavily edit them as time goes on to choose better wording for descriptions because my vocabulary is poor.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 30 2011, 2:37 am by IskatuMesk.



Show them your butt, and when you do, slap it so it creates a sound akin to a chorus of screaming spider monkeys flogging a chime with cacti. Only then can you find your destiny at the tip of the shaft.

Aug 2 2011, 1:05 am ClansAreForGays Post #26



It sounds more like a choir than something you actually want to do.

What's the reason you want to write this? And I don't mean like, "Because I want to finish something for once", "practice", or "It's been in my head forever and I always wanted to make it real". What I mean is, there must be a certain fleet battle, twist, or unique plot device that popped into your head before you thought of anything that came before or after it, and before you had to develop a back story just to cradle it in.

I'd like to hear about that. Give me the best part.




Aug 18 2011, 11:50 pm ClansAreForGays Post #27



You disappoint me Mesk




Aug 18 2011, 11:56 pm Oh_Man Post #28

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Oi srsly someone actually read through my story and give me feedback.




Aug 19 2011, 12:43 am IskatuMesk Post #29

Lord of the Locker Room

Sorry, I didn't see the updates to this topic. I only visit SEN once every so often and it's just to post one-liners in the shoutbox in hopes of making people mad.

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What's the reason you want to write this? And I don't mean like, "Because I want to finish something for once", "practice", or "It's been in my head forever and I always wanted to make it real". What I mean is, there must be a certain fleet battle, twist, or unique plot device that popped into your head before you thought of anything that came before or after it, and before you had to develop a back story just to cradle it in.

Why I want to write it, seeing as TOA's story has been completed in my head for years... I have nothing else in life worth devoting my energy to. That is all anything deep would really amount to. The novel is a window into the world that is my life's work. Nothing else really matters to me.



Show them your butt, and when you do, slap it so it creates a sound akin to a chorus of screaming spider monkeys flogging a chime with cacti. Only then can you find your destiny at the tip of the shaft.

Aug 25 2011, 8:25 pm Fire_Kame Post #30

wth is starcraft

Quote from CaptainWill
I've also wanted to write a story from the point of view of a detective working for some sort of galactic police force in a sci-fi galaxy where Earth has not had first contact (other aliens are aware of it as a place in the middle of nowhere), and the story would explore alien prejudices and attitudes towards humans etc. blah blah

Sounds fun. Do you watch Star Trek? Season 2 had an episode called Wolf in the Fold, Scotty was put under suspicion of several murders. Its a bit over the top (I mean, it is Star Trek) but if you're serious about this it might lend a hand in research. Not to mention that the picture on the wikipedia article is pretty awesome. XD


I've been thinking about my Space Opera again, and I'm pretty excited to get going. I've figured out a lot of what I want to do, and how I want the galaxy to look, I just haven't written anything in it yet. I feel like I'm still missing some important characters, or something like that. :\ I also got the idea last night to write a time travel story, where a scientist goes back in time and due to miscalculation perpetuates steam power over gasoline. Of course, I don't know why I want to write it, because I truly despise most time travel and almost all steam punk.




Aug 26 2011, 11:42 pm ClansAreForGays Post #31



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I don't know why I want to write it, because I truly despise most time travel and almost all steam punk.
Yeah, that makes no sense if you hate those.

Steam punk usually dwells on the whole "giant hydraulics" thing, but wouldn't it be cool(for a change) if the biggest impact it has was actually on the environment? Of course you're going to exaggerate it. Like fauna everywhere, and an increased oxygen ratio for stronger people/animals/fires. I think I remember you not believing in global warming or something a while ago, so it might kill you inside too much writing this...




Aug 27 2011, 12:31 am Sand Wraith Post #32

she/her

I was trying to flesh out a world for a story a long time ago. Here's what I got, in case anyone is interested. (It's got a steampunk feel to it. It's the setting for a war between, essentially, Christians and Satanists.)

major wall of text





Sep 3 2011, 4:27 am ClansAreForGays Post #33



I don't detect anything steam punk about it.

The only thing I liked, or would use from that is the sheepmen teeth thing at the end.




Sep 4 2011, 5:29 am Fire_Kame Post #34

wth is starcraft

I have been trying to write up the beginning of my space opera story, but I can't seem to get started. I keep getting caught up in little details, and since I'm not a science guy it slows me down.




Sep 4 2011, 5:51 am IskatuMesk Post #35

Lord of the Locker Room

I started TOA a long time ago without hardly any of the technical details truly worked out - only today can I really say that I have fleshed out the workings of everything in the universe to a point where I could explain every single thing that happens. The psionics and elements systems were conjured as I needed them in the writing with very little, eventually to be revised, content created for them in the past.

I think working out technical details is a good place to start with if you intend on associating a lot of character/narrative interaction with the related elements. Otherwise you might get a big mess like how TOA was before the revision began.



Show them your butt, and when you do, slap it so it creates a sound akin to a chorus of screaming spider monkeys flogging a chime with cacti. Only then can you find your destiny at the tip of the shaft.

Sep 5 2011, 6:29 pm ClansAreForGays Post #36



Quote from Fire_Kame
I have been trying to write up the beginning of my space opera story, but I can't seem to get started. I keep getting caught up in little details, and since I'm not a science guy it slows me down.
Have you written any scifi short stories?




Sep 5 2011, 7:51 pm Fire_Kame Post #37

wth is starcraft

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I have been trying to write up the beginning of my space opera story, but I can't seem to get started. I keep getting caught up in little details, and since I'm not a science guy it slows me down.
Have you written any scifi short stories?

I think a couple of times, but it has been a while. I actually have a huge problem with finishing a story. I'll get pretty far into one, and know how I want it to end, and then I'll stop writing. XD




Sep 5 2011, 8:33 pm Sand Wraith Post #38

she/her

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I don't detect anything steam punk about it.

The only thing I liked, or would use from that is the sheepmen teeth thing at the end.

I'm surprised that you read through it all.


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I have been trying to write up the beginning of my space opera story, but I can't seem to get started. I keep getting caught up in little details, and since I'm not a science guy it slows me down.
Have you written any scifi short stories?

I think a couple of times, but it has been a while. I actually have a huge problem with finishing a story. I'll get pretty far into one, and know how I want it to end, and then I'll stop writing. XD

Whenever I realize how I want something to end, I stop writing. For some reason, my brain considers it "finished" and therefore no longer worth the effort in completing in text.




Sep 6 2011, 4:25 pm ClansAreForGays Post #39



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I have been trying to write up the beginning of my space opera story, but I can't seem to get started. I keep getting caught up in little details, and since I'm not a science guy it slows me down.
Have you written any scifi short stories?

I think a couple of times, but it has been a while. I actually have a huge problem with finishing a story. I'll get pretty far into one, and know how I want it to end, and then I'll stop writing. XD
You already know this, but you should try finishing a short story before starting A SPACE OPERA.




Sep 6 2011, 4:40 pm Fire_Kame Post #40

wth is starcraft

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I have been trying to write up the beginning of my space opera story, but I can't seem to get started. I keep getting caught up in little details, and since I'm not a science guy it slows me down.
Have you written any scifi short stories?

I think a couple of times, but it has been a while. I actually have a huge problem with finishing a story. I'll get pretty far into one, and know how I want it to end, and then I'll stop writing. XD
You already know this, but you should try finishing a short story before starting A SPACE OPERA.

I'd never finish a short story. Things explode on me sometimes. :awesome:




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