What are you talking about how does that make me hyprocritical? Besides I'm the OP I can post whatever I want to. Now I'm sure somebody is gonna quote this saying "blah blah blah if you insult me again I'll do this and that!"

That only confused me as to whose side you're on...

Yes, you can.

I can't believe so many people still like bush...

And notice that he has led the Americans poorly through the harshest of times.

The only chance in hell Iraq has to maintain stability, is a federal system with decentralized power, not unlike the early US. The longer we stay there, the worse it will get.

Oh really?
In other words, you're calling them stupid and ridiculous. It doesn't matter if everyone agrees that someone's argument is invalid. It just means that stating the obvious over again is redundant, and it certainly doesn't call for flaming. I don't have to be a mod to tell you that what you're saying is incorrect.

I didn't know being redundant was against the rules, not that I was that bad about. I was simply stating which side of the issues I stood on, if in doing that I'm being redudant, there isn't much I can do. And, I didn't flame, I think that solar making the statement "racism is history" is ridiculous, and I pointed that out. I also think his idea of "the independent states of america" is ridiculous. I think Falkoner should research what he's talking about before claiming it fact. I STILL haven't called anyone ridiculous or stupid, stop changing my words into something they're not.


But you need proper grounds and the ability to not twist my words to tell me what I'm saying is incorrect; end of discussion.

Wrong. First of all, being redundant is against the rules, it's called spam. If someone says that they enjoy oranges, It would be spam for me to repeat that they like oranges, as they have already put the point across. Second of all, if you were stating which argument you sided with, you didn't give any actual reasons from doing so aside from your own personal opinions about the other people posting. So your post was really unnecessary to begin with anyways. Siding with someone's argument doesn't add to the discussion at all, because it in itself doesn't make their argument any more valid. For example: If 3000 men join the Klu Klux Klan, it still doesn't mean what they do is legal. You stated yourself that you were "too lazy" to post your own argument, if so, then don't post at all until you have one. Third of all I'm not changing your words, you are changing your own words.
The first sentence implies that you think Falkoner was causing the topic to become unintelligent, which is obviously an attack on Falkoner himself. You aren't making a comment on his argument, because his argument isn't even the subject of your sentence. Let me break it down for you on the next one. Subject = You guys
Comment= It's a waste of time to argue with you guys.
There isn't anything at all about statements or ideas, you are just flat out insulting them. Again, the implication is that you think they are stupid, so arguing with them wastes time.
These arguments don't really do justice unless I post your whole comment though.
This whole thing isn't of any value whatsoever to the topic. It's all just opinions of what you think about other people, and more than half of it is you thinking they are lesser people. There's no actual evidence, or really anything else at all in the post. In terms of the argument, even if you did or didn't post it, it wouldn't have affected anything. So you aren't offering a side of the argument on which you stand on. You are just flaming and praising some people.

Childish and detrimental? The person being the child here is certainly not me, and I didn't expect to be cussed out for making the claim that white people found it much easier to get help in escaping New Orleans. Sure, I put my claim in a flippant manner, but I think it holds some truth. A lot of white people in New Orleans were rich enough to own a car which they could escape in, while a lot of black people didn't. They weren't given enough help in getting out either through negligence or racism. Also, I thought you made a pretty silly claim when you said that 'racism is history.' After all, sure it's history but it's also happening right now. Would you rather hang out with a black person or a white person? If you saw a black guy walking up to you on the street would you react differently to how you would react if he was white? Say you're describing a white man and a black man to someone else. Would you mention that the white man was white? Would you mention that the black man was black?

I haven't changed stances at all - I have remained consistent in my view of George Bush as a poor president.

Bush hasnt done anything wrong. If he was a poor president, he would've been impeached. Currently, the House is full of Democrats and barely has any republicans. In New Orleans, he couldnt respond to Hurricane Katrina instantly because he had to focus on the war and with all these debates, he didn't have the time. The State of Louisana is responsible for it's own state. This is because there are state governing and federal. Also, Bush isn't racist. People just imply it (Like Kanye West, who is my favorite rapper), they don't even have proof. Right now, Bush is doing better than ever. He started to get many troops home and is starting Iraqization (Which is replacing American troops with Iraq military) and helping in diplomacy such as North Korea and such. He is also helping internally in America, with real estate.

I am on no one's "side." I'm conservative but thats just because the Republican party best represents my political opinions. My best interest is Progress. This Democrat vs. Republican bullshit is not Progress. I will agree with who I think is right.

I agree with all of that.

Okay well so what if all the whites in New Orleans own nice cars? Thats irrelevant and its certainly not a valid fact that racism in the United States is a major problem. Did you also forget that the guy in charge of the city was black? Would I rather hang out with a black person or a white person? I cannot make that decision based purely on their heritage. I will say this: everyone in my high school who is white wishes they were black. Wiggers, what are you gonna do right? When I describe someone I usually add either Black, Asian or Latino because white people are the mainstream population.

President Bush:
You know what I hate ? when people said Bush is a bad person for not responding that quick at 911.

1.) We got fire station's for a reason.
2.) We got other stuff for a reason.

wtf Bush gonna do, go there and tell everyone what to do when they are already doing it? can someone please explain that to me.

and btw if you said he's holding the book upside down your wrong someone edited that.

Exactly! We have systems for reason. It is like blaming Bush for no education when there are Public schools avaliable in America!

@PwnPirate, note taken, although I disagree with most of the things you said. You made a few good points, although I think you are a little off-base with what you took of my "utter waste of time" statement". It was more that I didn't want to get stuck in ridiculous circular arguements (similar to this). Where I have to reply back and forth and back and forth with little hope of persauding anyone. Too many people are close-minded in the world, I for one, am not one of those people.


Echo, you are incredibly ignorant, someday you'll look back on this and realize how ignorant you are, I hope. Stuff like that can happen a lot. (btw, it takes a lot more than sucking at being a president to be impeached, therefore your ignorance)

I still think CaptainWill is the shit (when it comes to this topic).

Dapperdan, you must be ignorant too if you believe Bush sucks. I have a right to my own opinion. There is currently no plan of the house of even trying to find a way to impeach him. No one is even open minded. Everyone has their own beliefs. By that, you fail.

Ok echo, just exactly what has bush done RIGHT?

This is what bush has done: He has divided the people of this country, taken a shit in Iraq at the expense of Afghanistan, and taken a chainsaw to the bill of rights.

Such stupidity....
Proof please.