Last I checked, quantum physics only challenges established theories. Doesn't actually disprove them.

Well, Einsteinian mechanics is generally today taken to apply to macrophysics. Quantum mechanics challenges Einsteinian principles on the level of the very small.

You're forgetting something though - as time slows down the faster you go, if you could go 100 Light Years in a spaceship at 99% of the speed of light, you would only be on the spaceship for one year (though the people on earth would have to wait 101.1 reoccurring years). While this doesn't stop it being impractical to colonize in the sense of Nations, but once its independently sustainable (AKA you can grow food or its viable to trade) who says separate nations couldn't set up there? China and the Roman Empire never had any contact and they did OK (well, except for the fact one got pwned and the other turned Communist)

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Nov 18 2007, 11:00 am by Viii_iiiV.

DUAL POSTS SUCK...
Anyways, let me add something about your argument of "But we gotta do something 'cause of overpopulation... we'll all starve!!"



1. It will take LOTS of money to colonize anywhere, or to get many people off earth.
2. The people who want out will be the people who are starving.
3. The people who are happy where they are will be the people who are not starving.
4. The poor will be starving.
5. The rich will not be starving.
6. The poor do not have lots of money.
7. The rich do not care that the poor do not have lots of money.
8. The poor can not colonize anywhere, and the rich do not want to colonize anywhere.
9. The poor people will starve, the rich and qualified will live, and the earth will become a smarter place.
Yay!

EDIT: Who reported this post?
And what's wrong with it?

EDIT: Nvm, it got unreported (however that happens...)

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Nov 25 2007, 11:04 am by Viii_iiiV.

The "rich and qualified?" Where'd this 'qualified' come from?

I think this argument is pretty much finished.
Conclusions: Colonization is impractical because the cost far far outweighs any potential benefits, given any technology that could even be possible in the future given our current understanding of the universe.

No, it's not. Sustainable colonies are possible now, it's just that the United States is to busy choking NASA's budget for the war. It's plausible, it's just that it's not possible in current economics.

Yes, but that still doesn't solve the communication problem. If you sent a colony ship to a world that was 15,000 light-years away, it would be possible for the people to arrive in, say, 3 months relative to themselves (assuming we can travel with velocities very near to c), but the space administration on Earth would never feasibly be able to contact said ship again. The ship could blow up or the world be unsuitable, or whatever else, and it would take at least 30,000 years before anyone on Earth could know (assuming travel at c).

Also, any colony ship would arrive twice the travel time (Earth-relative) in the future or more, since the light we observe is from x years in the past, and it would take a further x years to reach the planet (relative to the planet). Many things can happen in the intervening time that passengers on a moving ship would be incapable of knowing about.

haven't you absorbed anything we talked about? Yes, we could sustain colonies, but we'd be pumping money and resources into them constantly. Even if the world was perfect and everybody worked for the greater good, physical possibility would still be questionable. Have I not given you an idea of how much energy is needed? Imagine making a fuel can as big as New York City and trying to launch it off the Earth. About twelve times. Then put all that together and find someone who wants to sit in that fuel can for about ten years.

As we have said before humans cannot live for long periods in low or 0 gravity environments. Since no one can live even part of their lifetime in these conditions it would be pointless to send people into space for colonization purposes. So it is not possible or plausible.

the problem isn't living in space, it is returning to earth, not to mention it is possible to simulate gravity with centripetal acceleration.

Basically, the people without qualifications, money, or any future, die.
(There are a few exceptions to this, where qualified jobs pay badly)




Bold, italic, and underlined, I had already said that. Also, however Star-Trekkish this makes me sound, since onboard this ship time is moving very slowly, it is rather vulnerable because, even if you were only going at .99c you would have a hundredth of the time to do anything than you normally would. While this would be fine at this speed, if you were moving at .999999999999999999999999999999c then you could be rather vulnerable - and as in regular time you wouldn't be moving that much faster than .99c. However, anything that could hit you would either have to be in the way by chance, or shot from an alien spaceship almost directly in or behind your path to be able to shoot at your image and hit - and if it was behind you'd have to shoot something faster than the ship, and even at the speed of light it would take some time to catch up. However, you'd be able to see this projectile far before it catches you, so it should be preventable from the rear.

EDIT: Best idea in the universe to put up Earth's carrying limit...

Put a big pipe to the moon, and then put all of the water on the moon.
That way, you have a 100% land planet, which means you can grow more food!
As the moon orbits around the earth, and nothing else, there is nothing to say you cannot have a large thing on wheels with the pipe attached to it, so when the moon moves, the pipe and the carrier moves with it!

NOTE: It is unlikely you can put ALL of the earths water on the moon, but I bet you could put quite a lot on - enough to make some extra land.

NOTE: You could dig big caves in the moon so you could fit more on without making the balance around it getting precarious.
NOTE: Another great idea!! Steal a moon off another planet and make it orbit earth!
NOTE: Pure genius!! Create a Space station to hold water!
NOTE: Even better! Make a big, big, big, big, container (with a lid) fill it with the planets water, and shove it on the Arctic (after its melted). It will sink to the bottom (or, sit at the bottom of the "sea" if you manage to make land where the Arctic ocean is) and just be full of water! And, if we decide its a bad idea, etc, we can just make a hole!

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Nov 19 2007, 7:16 pm by Viii_iiiV.

Im not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic but you obviously have no idea how things work.

The only thing that can travel the speed of light, is light. So lets say they shoot a laser beam at you. Guess what? Einstein's theory of special relativity states that the laser beam would catch up to you, and hit you. All at the speed of light.

The only way to colonize the galaxy effectively is if we find a way to create stable wormholes. If we cant then we'll have to make independent colonies spread out all over the place, which may explain our existence here on Earth our ancestors must've sent a colony ship here for us to live in...

There are ideas of gene ships that aren't as huge nor as costly as a real colony ship that can travel near or faster than c in relative to our space, where we would just put our embryos on a rocket that can travel faster than c with a computer to get us in a planet, and once landed we would grow into fully human beings-- with no previous knowledge of our ancestors that is.

Time dilation poses a fundamental problem to traveling beyond c. In the limit of your velocity going to c, the time dilation between you and the stationary observer goes to infinity. At c, you would be stuck in limbo, for an infinite amount of time would elapse relative to a stationary observer in the period of zero seconds, relative to you. Allow the smallest fraction of a zeptosecond (10^-21), to engage and disengage some drive that can overcome the infinite energy requirements to accelerate to c, and all eternity will have already passed.

Only if they did it a looooooong time ago.

I don't see anything wrong with my plans...
Do you really need me to make a model with magnets to show you? Though the arctic container would work better than my moon theory.

And anyways, as I stated, if we think its a bad idea, and realize we screwed ourselves over, we can just make a hole!


EDIT: Great, eh?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 25 2007, 11:20 am by Viii_iiiV.

Yes, he obviously has no idea how things work.