Starcraft 2 Campaign discussion, Thoughts? Likes? Dislikes? !!SPOILERS!!
Post #1
Lanthanide
Jul 29 2010, 12:19 am
Post #3
Lanthanide
Jul 29 2010, 12:51 am
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The hybrids appear in the Zeratul levels, but you don't find out anything further than:
1. They are Zerg/Protoss 'twisted' mixtures created by the 'Fallen One' who has glowing red eyes (cannot see rest of their face) - everyone assumes this is probably Duran but he is never mentioned in any way, shape or form. Of course Raynor never met Duran, but Kerrigan and Zeratul both did. 2. Kerrigan is somehow the key to destroying them permanently. That's all. Also I was dissapoint by the pre-rendered cinematics: only 3 (not including intro) in the game. And the compression on them was pretty lousy, particularly The Prophecy one. Thinking more about it, they could've tied Dr Hanson and Tosh's story into the final campaigns fairly easily, simply by saying that the Artifact can be used to destroy the zerg, but if they apply Dr Hanson's infestation cure (which she has now finished) along with Tosh's terrazine then they think it will help revert Kerrigan. But no, they just go with a straight "it kills zerg" path. Why was this artifact split into 5 separate parts anyway? Presumably the Xel'Naga did that for a reason, like it was dangerous or something, or not intended for this purpose, but again no mention at all. The whole thing just lacked a level of cohesion that SC, and especially BW, had with their storylines. This post was edited 1 time, last edit by Lanthanide: Jul 29 2010, 12:57 am. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() O)FaRTy1billion -- "Lanthanide -- surely you have photos of yourself dressed up as a girl, az?" I don't have pictures of me dressed up as a girl.
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Post #4 PearS Jul 29 2010, 4:38 am
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i thought the campaign was AWFUL. I went into it thinking, 'awesome...26 missions this should be super epic.' Little did i know there are 20 'side quest' missions where you collect random things and help out peole on your ship with their stupid tasks. These tasks serve no large purpose in the grand scheme of the storyline except that here and there you are given a tiny little detail about what mengsk and kerrigan are up to. There are only like 6 actual storyline missions...two of which you choose from. You HARDLY see kerrigan except twice in the beginning as she runs around randomly and at the very end to kill her. Sush a dissappointment and anticlimatic. We've waited 12 years after kerrigan destroyed EVERYTHING and owned the universe and now we see her in 3 missions and kill her just like that. I mean don't get me wrong i was submersed and i love the sounds and cinematics i just wanted more story. and yes i realize that there are two more games to come but nowi have to wait probably half a year or more to get to find out what will happen. There were no cool missions like in sc1 where you control two races as they help each other with a common foe or anything. And yeah the UED was not mentioned and i was curious what was up with earth.
also a side note...in this campaign raynor talked with all his buddies and got zerg and toss upgrades. The second game is zerg i think so how will you talk to people...they are aliens and they dont talk....well except cerebrates and the overmind. and now that kerrigan is gone who will lead the zerg in their campaign. Also will the zerg get terran and protoss upgrades? because that is pretty lame....why would the zerg want terran tech? the missions were fun and challenging...i played on hard...and i will do mulitple play backs to mget the few achiemevents i missed as well as beat the thing in brutal but yeah....i feel like i know ver very little more than i knew after BW was over. i'm sure i'm missing something but rant over! edit. to previous poster i interpreted the phrophecy stuff differently...or i missed something somehow. I thought that the statues said the zerg attack and the toss fight them off until a person shows up to end the conflict and zeratul didn't want kerrigan to see this and think it was her or something. iono. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #6
Lanthanide
Jul 29 2010, 6:13 am
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Yeah, I'm not sure how they are going to handle the Zerg campaign in particular, as they won't be able to do the same sort of inter-mission bollocking around, unless they come up with a new cadre of infested humans (a bit stale though, right?).
It's possible that this storyline, with Kerrigan being rescued, was specifically written so that they would have something to base a storyline for part 2 on: eg Kerrigan co-operates with the Terran and Protoss to get the Zerg swarms under her command so they can fight off the hybrids. Also I thought the final protoss mission was pretty awesome, mainly because you got all of the high-tech and lots of heroes all at once, and the thought of a 'final stand' mission is pretty cool, because they've never done a mission like that in SC, BW or War3/FT as far as I know. That level also made it clear that there was one single person that could've stopped the Fallen One's plans, but the Protoss/Terrans killed her because they didn't understand - when Zeratul dies he says "how could I have known it was kerrigan?" or something. Also Tassadar basically says that the Overmind foresaw this future, and the fact that it would be used as a pawn but was powerless to stop it, and only Kerrigan could save the universe, hence why it infested her. But after the buddy-buddy between Fenix/Raynor and then Artanis/Raynor I was expecting a Terran/Protoss vs Zerg mission or two as well. This post was edited 1 time, last edit by Lanthanide: Jul 29 2010, 6:21 am. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() O)FaRTy1billion -- "Lanthanide -- surely you have photos of yourself dressed up as a girl, az?" I don't have pictures of me dressed up as a girl.
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Post #8
Lanthanide
Jul 29 2010, 7:52 am
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Do you realise that there are 4 protoss levels, not just one?
Where you go to the dead overmind on Auir and Tassadar tells you about the overmind's vision? And then the last protoss level is a fight to the death and you get 5 heroes, including Zeratul and Artanis in a mothership and it is literally a fight to the death - eg the level doesn't end until all units are dead. This post was edited 1 time, last edit by Lanthanide: Jul 29 2010, 8:52 am. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() O)FaRTy1billion -- "Lanthanide -- surely you have photos of yourself dressed up as a girl, az?" I don't have pictures of me dressed up as a girl.
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Post #9
Sand Wraith
Jul 29 2010, 9:13 am
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Campaign gameplay was pretty fun, story was fucking terrible. Pretty much the same complaints as all those previously mentioned, except magnified by 100x because this is StarCraft, and it's serious business.
Not to mention how FLAT all of the characters are. Mengsk is flat as a television screen. Kerrigan is flat as a layer of graphene. Jim and Zeratul... Meh. Tychus is pretty flat despite his massive girth. Yea, yea, we know there was that drunken scene and whatever, but that's pretty much it. All they talk about are old times and shit. Assvision-Blizcock. Pretty much every part of SC2 excluding actual gameplay is subpar compared to SC1. Hybrids were pretty fucking lame. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #10
Lanthanide
Jul 29 2010, 9:22 am
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Yes, considering how long they obviously spent on the script, and the $$ they must've paid voice actors, they really didn't get much to show for it in the end.
Tying all of the various storylines up together would have been a lot more satisfying - eg using terrazine and Hanson's vaccine + the artifact for example, and I just came up with that off the top of my head. Evidently they couldn't do that because you're free to just rush to the final missions, but there's no reason that they couldn't have just required to finish a few key missions first. I think the entire Agria level set was good in terms of telling the story of the terrans vs zerg, but outside of that the other terran missions really didn't mesh together well. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() O)FaRTy1billion -- "Lanthanide -- surely you have photos of yourself dressed up as a girl, az?" I don't have pictures of me dressed up as a girl.
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Post #11
Sand Wraith
Jul 29 2010, 9:38 am
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There's a few "choice" sections that were pretty fucking arbitrary.
Tosh-Nova. Excluding the fact that the Nova thing was just a stupid fiasco to make nerds "think" Blizzard cares, it was pretty silly. I mean, DID NOVA GO ROGUE? WHAT HAPPENED. And Tosh. Kinda meh, if you ask me. I want to see the Tosh and Spectres as being canon, since along the way, Jim freed a ton of dissidents and thinkers, etc. Hanson-Selendis[?]. Pretty lame. APPARENTLY, HANSON IS A WITCH. Neither decision makes an impact that really matters. At the end of the day, the infestation cure is moot and purging them all is generic. You know what would have been MORE INTERESTING? If the you weren't allowed to make choices! Instead of wasting time on "choice" missions, develop missions that are linear! Yes, keep the side stories linear, but make it so they don't allow players to make a "choice," since they're just going to play both anyway. The Tosh choice should be canon, and so should the the save-Haven choice. Then, we could go with what Lathanide suggests with the using Terrazine (and maybe Spectres as something like a surprise trump card against Kerri) and Hanson's cure. BTW: I think you meant to say "the end result was to be expected from such shitty script and low wages/whatever-payment-option-they-get to the voice actors," because the lines sucked and the voice actors had more potential. Compare SC2's to SC1's, or even SC2's to Dan of War's. In fact, there is no comparison because the voices you hear in SC2 are on the level of indie-developers with access to some nice equipment. In fact, I expect BETTER from indie developers (not really). If Blizzard said that they wanted SC2 to be the ultimate UNDERWHELMING game, then they would have achieved their goal immediately. As it is, even the competitive/e-sport aspect is getting shat on thanks to the EULA (map-makers getting shat on too) and lack of chat channel support. The onlyonlyonly redeeming factor is gameplay. BTW, I think the graphics fucking blow. I can't tell when my buildings are doing anything because of their pansy ass "working" (could not tell they were working) animations, I can't distinguish between the different buildings from each other and the ground, and it's all just a fucking mash of incohesive steaming pile of feces. Seriously, Blizzard sold its soul to the devil. This post was edited 1 time, last edit by Sand Wraith: Jul 29 2010, 9:45 am. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #12
Sand Wraith
Jul 29 2010, 12:39 pm
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I posted this on the Blizzard forums.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/189279276 Hopefully, I can incite a rebellion so that Blizzard for once actually does something right instead of shitting on people's face (people who have been waiting for a decade). ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #13
Sand Wraith
Jul 29 2010, 1:06 pm
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Triple post, but then again, each post has been relevant unto itself. ;o
source: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/165096592 Another reason for why Blizzard a piece of feces and why Wings of Liberty is so jack full of crap. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #14 PearS Jul 29 2010, 5:02 pm
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oh my gosh i did not know there were multiple missions inside the crystal =[ =[ =[ =[ =[ also since i beat the campaign i cannot access the hyperion so i dont think i can do thos missions anymore unless i start a new campaign?? I even tried to go back to media blitz to unlock the secret mission....i killed the building and got the secret unlocked message but no new mission started up afterwards and no new mission is available for me inside my mission console. probably have to start a new campaign for that as well =p LAME
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Post #15 LionKingMax Jul 29 2010, 9:13 pm
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its also sad how they kill everyone beside Raynor and Matt (Tosh get killed by Nova if you do her mission, Dr Chickw/glasses get infested if you destroy haven and Tindlay get's himself a bullet to the head by Jimmy.)
Come on, stop killing everyone ffs. and wtf is up with Dr. Narud? Narud... Duran? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #16
Lanthanide
Jul 29 2010, 10:36 pm
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Bah, I didn't even notice Narud = Duran, but that is obviously the case.
And no, you can't go back to the hyperion once you finish the campaign, so you can't play the protoss missions if you didn't do them the first time, and you also can't unlock the secret mission as it likewise requires the star map to access. I'm going to make a thread on the secret mission a little later explaining how to get there, and why you want to. It is quite fun, but again a big story fail - all they had to do was push it a little bit further and it'd have been good. This post was edited 1 time, last edit by Lanthanide: Jul 29 2010, 11:17 pm. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() O)FaRTy1billion -- "Lanthanide -- surely you have photos of yourself dressed up as a girl, az?" I don't have pictures of me dressed up as a girl.
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Post #18
Lanthanide
Jul 29 2010, 11:19 pm
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If you look, we're not actually complaining about plot holes, we're complaining about a lack-lustre, incohesive plot that doesn't really answer any questions, or for the most part even offer any new ones (except 'who is this Fallen One with the red eyes').
Also, we did pay the retail price for a game that is the equivalent of any other stand-alone game, the fact that there are essentially 2 more parts to the story is irrelevant when we are discussing this particular instalment. If this had been sold as an episode at a lower price, a la Half Life 2 episodes, then you would have more of an argument. However it wasn't, so you don't. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() O)FaRTy1billion -- "Lanthanide -- surely you have photos of yourself dressed up as a girl, az?" I don't have pictures of me dressed up as a girl.
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Post #19
DeVouReR
Jul 29 2010, 11:30 pm
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Being a Coder gives ya tons of P-Views!
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Without Completly reading this thread I still got to say that I'm rather impressed by the campaign... except for one fucking thing:
"Tell me why I shouldn't kill you here right now?" "Because I can give you what you always desired."... what the fuck, that's so bad and been used like thousands of times. In German there is a phrase called "0815" to define such a thing, I do not know whether this is valid in English as well, please tell me. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #20
Sand Wraith
Jul 30 2010, 7:17 am
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