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Battle.net 2.0 Concerns
Jul 12 2010, 12:16 am
By: UnholyUrine  

Jul 12 2010, 12:16 am UnholyUrine Post #1



Here's the Link:
http://sclegacy.com/articles/730-battlenet-20-concerns

Highly recommended to NOT finish this in one sitting!!
If you want to read the part about the Map editor, it is at "Article6 - THE MAP EDITOR PART"... 6th post. That's the major concern for me. D:

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Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 12 2010, 12:24 am by UnholyUrine.



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Jul 12 2010, 12:17 am UnholyUrine Post #2



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Jul 12 2010, 12:19 am UnholyUrine Post #3



Article3
.. err .. feel free to delete everything if u admins think it is uncessary to copy the entire thing here.. cause it is humongous



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Jul 12 2010, 12:20 am UnholyUrine Post #4



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Jul 12 2010, 12:22 am UnholyUrine Post #5



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Jul 12 2010, 12:22 am UnholyUrine Post #6



Article6 - THE MAP EDITOR PART




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Jul 12 2010, 12:23 am UnholyUrine Post #7



END of Article!




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Jul 12 2010, 12:24 am Demented Shaman Post #8



How about instead of copy pasting the whole thing you give us your own summary of it and your own thoughts about the issue, or have you not even read the whole thing yourself? Because right now this topic is just a giant TLDR with nothing to talk about.



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Jul 12 2010, 12:25 am UnholyUrine Post #9



give me some time D: .. I just wanted to share this, and I felt just putting a link isn't enough :D

Focus on post #6 the map editor portion

EDIT: Well, if you want my discussion, I've only read the Map Editor part, and here's what I think...

In short: It's complete bullshit, and even though I've already decided yo boycott SC2 and not buy it until the new battle.net 2 improves, the map editing limitations is really where the shit hits the fan.

Despite the section being overly small, and sources being quite limited, the new way Blizzard is approaching custom map editing is completely outrageous. I'd hate to jump onto the bandwagon, but there is a very, VERY, high possibility that they'll release that "professional mapper extension pack" as DLC and make us pay for more storage room/map room. Considering that the rest of the article probably deals with the same idea that Blizzard-Activision is trying to to monetize SC2, there's just too much bullshit going around to not make me feel that B.net 2 is a complete pile of corporate donkey crap.

See, I've heard about the 5 maps limitation before, but I thought that was just rumours. Now I know it is real, and my heart for Blizzard is completely broken. Does there really need to be ANOTHER failed attempt for a gameto provide modding utensils for players but completely, and utterly ruin it with a user-bullshit interface similar to LBP, let alone the fact that it has been perfected over 10 years ago? UGH. This makes me wonder what sort of weed they're smoking. I've completely lost faith of Blizzard, and I will never be hyped for their games ever again. This dark and evil smelling dog shit will linger in my soul till the end of my days.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Jul 12 2010, 12:39 am by UnholyUrine.



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Jul 12 2010, 12:45 am Demented Shaman Post #10



It's not like SEN members will come close to making 5 maps. Maybe Blizzard actually paid attention to the mapping community and how no one finishes maps and saw that 5 would be plenty. LOLOLOL



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Jul 12 2010, 12:55 am UnholyUrine Post #11



:facepalm: o shit, he's right lol



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Jul 12 2010, 12:57 am 13Stallion Post #12



calm down..... The purpose of the beta is to test and balance the melee aspect of the game not the custom games. Blizzard wants us to focus on ladder matches so that sc2 can be balanced for competitive play on release, and they are doing a good job with that TBH.

Also things will change... nothing is permanent. the game isnt even released and you are saying that its crap. TBH, i dont think most sc players would have wanted to buy sc1 if they had seen sc1's beta lol... it looked terrible, and inferior to its predecessor Wc2.

I think SC2 has potential to the greatest game in its generation.



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Jul 12 2010, 1:18 am UnholyUrine Post #13



Sure, the key word is potential.
I had that optimistic feeling too, but now, I really don't think it will happen.

It's not that the game itself is bad. The game is great!! I have the beta-key, so I know it first hand.

It is their approach to things. They're way of handling battle.net 2, their fans (custom, casual, or even hardcore), and everything.
It's simple to key into the fact that they're not doing what's best for us anymore.

Yeah, blah blah, whiney whiney, blizzard not doing what you want, you're just a big whiner. That's what people would probably say.

But think about this. Would you, if you have a team of great programmers and developers who spent their heart and sweat in creating (or at least porting from WCIII) a great Map editor, make it so that only FIVE games publishable per person? Would you, if your previous game has engaged custom mapping fans, endured the test of time, and become a standard in game modding and community service, make it so that your sequel to this amazing game have only 20MB of max storage space, let alone even having a max storage space?

I just don't know. I think I, just as every person out there, would love to believe that the game will still be good. But Blizzard continuously ripped our hearts. I am dissapoint.



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Jul 12 2010, 7:55 am Lanthanide Post #14



I'm pretty sure the 5 maps / 20mb limit is just a beta thing, unless Blizzard have said otherwise.

Having said that, I wouldn't be sure that the limit will go up hugly (like 100/200+), or perhaps not at launch. But if enough people bitch about it / everyone maxes out their 5 maps / 20 mb limit quickly, I'm pretty sure Blizzard would up the number. It just boils down to storage, which is extremely cheap these days.

Another, quite likely alternative, is that they will charge for more map space. Again though I expect that the 5/20 limit will go up for retail and be something like 15/50, and perhaps have to pay $ to go up higher than that.



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Jul 12 2010, 8:03 am Demented Shaman Post #15



Quote from 13Stallion
I think SC2 has potential to the greatest game in its generation.
No one doubts the game is already great. The game by itself is awesome, even in beta. It's just that everything else, such as battle.net is terrible.



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Jul 12 2010, 9:37 am Falkoner Post #16



Quote from Lanthanide
I'm pretty sure the 5 maps / 20mb limit is just a beta thing, unless Blizzard have said otherwise.

Having said that, I wouldn't be sure that the limit will go up hugly (like 100/200+), or perhaps not at launch. But if enough people bitch about it / everyone maxes out their 5 maps / 20 mb limit quickly, I'm pretty sure Blizzard would up the number. It just boils down to storage, which is extremely cheap these days.

Another, quite likely alternative, is that they will charge for more map space. Again though I expect that the 5/20 limit will go up for retail and be something like 15/50, and perhaps have to pay $ to go up higher than that.

Most likely you're right, but I'm still in disbelief that they're choosing to store the maps at all, I mean, honestly, it's like Ubisoft storing Assassin's Creed II saved games online, while 200 MB is a huge load for the company, when given to each user, it's almost nothing to the common user, so why not store it on their hard drive? I can somewhat understand Ubisoft's attempt to avoid piracy with their online setups, but this is simply ridiculous, and doesn't benefit the company, or the player in any way, other than possibly providing an extra source of income.



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Jul 12 2010, 4:58 pm BiOAtK Post #17



The funny thing is that every piracy group has broken every Ubisoft DRM within two weeks of it coming out. lololol

Also, people here who assume Blizzard will make this game good for the users who care about it don't remember what Activision is like. Remember that they're the same company now. SC1 is to SC2 and CoD2 is to MW2.



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Jul 12 2010, 10:33 pm killer_sss Post #18



I've concluded the same thing. Blizzard is now managed by activision. Because of this, Blizzard is hog-tied when it comes to making key decisions. Activision bought Blizzard to use it as a cash cow much like Blizzard did with WoW. B.net 2 is a joke. It is all what Activision wants. the same goes for every aspect of the game except for gameplay.

Activision doesn't give a rats ass about the consumer's opinions. All they care about is our pocket book. As long as they can reach into our wallet and pull a $50 bill every so often they're completely happy ignoring us. This is why I no longer plan to purchase SCII. I mmay purchase it later on, but for now they have much work to do before it becomes a product I am willing to buy.



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Jul 13 2010, 3:42 am UnholyUrine Post #19



I have the same feeling, tho I don't want to fully blame Activision, i'm sure it has something to do with it...

I'm also buying this later. Since they won't have public chat channels at launch, there's no point in buying it at launch. Might as well show them how important it is to listen to us rather than just follow the herd and still buy their game... they'll never listen of we do that.

Please, everyone, reconsider about buying the game! You can always buy it later when the things we all want gets put in. If they are never put in, hell, just buy a freaking battlechest 3 years later when it is only 30 bucks and play the single player campaign in one go... There's nothing else that's worthwhile anyways.



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Jul 13 2010, 7:36 am lux Post #20



No local hosting... wow



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