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[2018-10-24. : 8:05 am]  NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: and in the case of FaRTy1billion , some thought that goes in is like perhaps the first number that does come to mind is too round, too even or just in someway lacking some "random" characteristic, so I will think of several numbers and then usually pick one that "feels" random. But after considering that process, that number is actually in no way random XD what you describe there is bias. The numbers you chose to chose from are in my opinion non-derterministic. The process of choosing one from the set is biased towards your perception of what feels random.[2018-10-24. : 8:01 am] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: so, especially to an outside observer (i.e., another person), you may do something perceived as random, but that's just because they don't share the same experiences or thought processes behind such a decision or action take an insider then. Write down 20 random numbers. When finished, do it again, starting with the same number. Compare both sheets. They should be wildly different.[2018-10-24. : 7:55 am] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: NudeRaider idk what bottom lining means to summarize and/or simplify the statement to "what it comes down to". Because I didn't understand the context or meaning of it.[2018-10-24. : 7:54 am] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: also, the main reason I say humans aren't random is because any time you make a decision or do something you are basing it on basically the sum of your past experiences ... I don't think there are any decisions that can be made randomly, there just may be way too many variables to ever be able to consider that means that freedom of choice would not exist. Your past experiences define every single decision you are ever gonna make. While it's not entirely implausible - in fact some people do believe in fate - I say that that it's not the case. I simply don't feel like every decision I make could have only gone that way. But who knows maybe it *is* an illusion?[2018-10-24. : 6:45 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Also, if someone just asks me for a number I'll probably pick numbers I see most often (powers of two, for example), but if they specifically ask for a "random" number I would tend to avoid those numbers because they don't "feel" random[2018-10-24. : 6:42 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- and in the case of FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: NudeRaider Maybe externally, but if someone asks me for a random number there is a nontrivial amount of thought that goes in to it XD , some thought that goes in is like perhaps the first number that does come to mind is too round, too even or just in someway lacking some "random" characteristic, so I will think of several numbers and then usually pick one that "feels" random. But after considering that process, that number is actually in no way random XD[2018-10-24. : 6:40 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- so, especially to an outside observer (i.e., another person), you may do something perceived as random, but that's just because they don't share the same experiences or thought processes behind such a decision or action[2018-10-24. : 6:39 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- also, the main reason I say humans aren't random is because any time you make a decision or do something you are basing it on basically the sum of your past experiences ... I don't think there are any decisions that can be made randomly, there just may be way too many variables to ever be able to consider[2018-10-24. : 6:35 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: FaRTy1billion unless there is a way - and I would argue there isn't - to make sure the starting conditions are always exactly x= 1 and never x = 1.000001 - isn't that what randomness is? You can't reproduce or predict it. people certainly do try to predict chaotic systems, though XD like the weather[2018-10-24. : 6:34 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: FaRTy1billion can you bottom line that for me? idk what bottom lining means[2018-10-24. : 6:33 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- that was an example. It's basically what defines pseudorandomness ... it's difficult to predict especially given ever-changing seed values, but that does not mean it is truly random[2018-10-24. : 5:56 am] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: can model it with an equation, but if you give it starting condition of like x = 1 it will be dramatically different than if x = 1.000001 unless there is a way - and I would argue there isn't - to make sure the starting conditions are always exactly x= 1 and never x = 1.000001 - isn't that what randomness is? You can't reproduce or predict it.[2018-10-24. : 5:53 am] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: NudeRaider Maybe externally, but if someone asks me for a random number there is a nontrivial amount of thought that goes in to it XD can you bottom line that for me?[2018-10-24. : 5:18 am] KrayZee -- Wing ZeroWing Zero shouted: This cracked me up https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9qpj2u/marine_spinecrawler/ At the end of the video, you can finally sexually identify as an Attack Helicopter.[2018-10-24. : 1:15 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- can model it with an equation, but if you give it starting condition of like x = 1 it will be dramatically different than if x = 1.000001[2018-10-24. : 1:13 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- like you can't predict what it's going to do, but it's still not really random[2018-10-24. : 1:11 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I still say it's quasi random: Completely unpredictable, but biased. Maybe externally, but if someone asks me for a random number there is a nontrivial amount of thought that goes in to it XD[2018-10-23. : 9:39 pm] NudeRaider -- I always wanted to shoot down spacecraft with the power of my dick...[2018-10-23. : 9:11 pm] BeatMeistro -- Wing ZeroWing Zero shouted: This cracked me up https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9qpj2u/marine_spinecrawler/ Well. This brings a whole new meaning to symbiosis.[2018-10-23. : 6:56 pm]  Wing Zero -- This cracked me up https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9qpj2u/marine_spinecrawler/[2018-10-23. : 3:43 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- You can turn a human into a true random source. Just need something radioactive and a detector.[2018-10-23. : 8:10 am] NudeRaider -- I still say it's quasi random: Completely unpredictable, but biased.[2018-10-23. : 8:09 am] NudeRaider -- not random as in deterministic? Meaning you make a human say any number given the right conditions? Or can predict the number he'll say? Or repeat a number he's previously chosen? I don't think you can either.  So how can you claim non-randomness?[2018-10-23. : 4:21 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- they are not random, they are just extremely sensitive to initial conditions[2018-10-22. : 9:40 pm] KrayZee -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: idk, I just know humans aren't random You don't know that.[2018-10-22. : 5:28 am] Generalpie -- You could grab the number of Fortnite structures in existence at that point in time as a seed.[2018-10-21. : 12:33 pm] ilovedsa -- The Popular Maps of SCR is the worst function!!!??? http://www.staredit.net/topic/17678/#1[2018-10-20. : 8:32 pm] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: NudeRaider humans aren't random bias is not the same as deterministic[2018-10-20. : 8:32 pm] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: will be bias af "and I'm also sure if you make statistical analysis you'll find other biases, "[2018-10-20. : 7:52 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- VraelVrael shouted: I've seen some research on getting random numbers from the processor itself by sampling the tail end of its internal thermal sensor Ya but you need pseudorandom for multiplayer games to keep the network synced, or a central server[2018-10-20. : 7:51 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I wonder if it would be considered non-deterministic (aka non pseudo-) random when you ask the user to enter a "truly" random number that has no meaning for them. I'd imagine you'd get a bias for small numbers, and I'm also sure if you make statistical analysis you'll find other biases, for example towards certain digits being entered more often. But it would still not be deterministic. humans aren't random[2018-10-20. : 5:36 pm] NudeRaider -- VraelVrael shouted: or maybe everyone would just answer 8 " I'd imagine you'd get a bias for small numbers"[2018-10-20. : 4:13 am] NudeRaider -- I wonder if it would be considered non-deterministic (aka non pseudo-) random when you ask the user to enter a "truly" random number that has no meaning for them. I'd imagine you'd get a bias for small numbers, and I'm also sure if you make statistical analysis you'll find other biases, for example towards certain digits being entered more often. But it would still not be deterministic.[2018-10-20. : 12:45 am] Vrael -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Vrael what happens if the sansor manufacturer is lazy and gives a poor resolution? Window's GetTickCount thing does that ya that's why it's research[2018-10-19. : 10:03 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- VraelVrael shouted: I've seen some research on getting random numbers from the processor itself by sampling the tail end of its internal thermal sensor what happens if the sansor manufacturer is lazy and gives a poor resolution? Window's GetTickCount thing does that[2018-10-19. : 10:02 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Farty: *super specific code snippet* ... or something i didn't verify it, I just skimmed SC's code and that's what I understood [2018-10-19. : 9:35 pm] Vrael -- I've seen some research on getting random numbers from the processor itself by sampling the tail end of its internal thermal sensor[2018-10-19. : 9:03 pm] NudeRaider -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Anyone know how exactly Starcraft "Randomise Switch" works? I'm assuming it's pseudorandom that much is obvious. No piece of software can generate truly random numbers. The best they can do is get random numbers from somewhere outside the computer, like random.org. But that's obviously not the case.[2018-10-19. : 7:39 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- seed = seed * 22695477 + 1; switch state = (seed & 0x800000)[2018-10-19. : 4:04 pm] Oh_Man -- Anyone know how exactly Starcraft "Randomise Switch" works? I'm assuming it's pseudorandom[2018-10-18. : 6:49 am] KrayZee -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Bar Refaeli careful, might be a scam a careful scam might be a,[2018-10-18. : 5:01 am] NudeRaider -- Bar RefaeliBar Refaeli shouted: Hello, for a mere 20 minerals I can not only double, but triple your minerals with a whopping return of 14 minerals!! (original investment not refunded) Msg me while supplies last careful, might be a scam |
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