What I mean by playing it safe is just not to be blastphemous, I'm not saying you have to worship god. I sure as hell am not a muslim but I don't go around saying "fuck Allah!" Basically what I'm saying is if there is no god then we are all fine, we will just be dead and that will be that. But if there is (which none of us have proof prooving or disprooving) and you go around blasting god all the time then you are pretty much screwed.

That's what I mean by playing it safe

You're stupid. AntiSleep you fail to for not owning him back then too.

You are referring to pascal's wager, and it's complete bullshit.

We understand that.
Read these two posts:
edit:
Since the post-links are wtfx'd for me, find posts #18 and #16 in this thread.

I hate to get back in this discussion.
What are you talking about? They don't even know what they are talking about. They have no clue about ancient culture figure of speeches, or Greek original texts. And they interpreted verses so horrendously that it is painful to watch. When it said you shall stone a man, they said some crap about it is ok to stone a child WTF!??!?!?! Not to mention all of the verse that were contradictions WERE ALL OLD TESTAMENT LAW, AND DO NOT APPLY TO OUR ADMINISTRATION! If they call themselves scientists, they should at least STUDY the thing they are attempting to denounce.

No one is playing it safe! That verse DOES NOT APPLY TO US! DENOUNCE GOD ALL YOU WANT TO, BUT THAT VERSE HAS NO APPLICATION TO YOU. GO BACK 2009 YEARS AND IT WOULD APPLY THAN!!

You seem to be very offensive over an online forum, you are the type of person who feels all should follow their beliefs and all who do not are complete idiots. I honestly regret posting in here because religion is not a subject I really care for, I live day to day and think about things that are relevant to the present and will benefit me. All I was trying to say is that being blastphemous will do you no good and if there is a god you are pretty much boned.

With that being said, I'm done posting here unless I have to defend myself or what I've said.

You really want me to go that deep? Hold on to your seatbelt, this might throw you in for a shock.
Ephesians 3:1,2 - the word dispensation was translated from the greek word oikonomia meaning administration.
Colossians 1:25 - dispensation is used again, and the meaning is still oikonomia
There are 7 administrations. The first being the original paradise administration.
That administration ended in Genesis 3:24, when Adam and Eve were driven out of Eden.
The second administration was the patriarchal. It was an administration of unwritten law. This is shown in Acts 17:30. They read God's word out of the stars; Hebrews 1:1, Genesis 1:14, Psalms 147:4, Psalms 19:1-6.
The third, the law administration started after Moses went up on mount Sinai and go the initial ten commandments. Luke 16:16.
The fourth, the Christ administration, this was the administration in which was Christ's lifetime up to his crucification. John 3:28-30, 34, Matthew 5:17, 18, Romans 10:4
The fifth, the Grace administration. The administration we live in now, it started after Christ's crucification. I Thessalonians 4:13-17 and II Thessalonians 2:1.
The sixth is the appearing administration. The devil is destroyed and Christ makes his return.

And the last, which most people confuse with heaven:
The final paradise, the same type of paradise with Adam and Eve with a new heaven and earth and the light of God will shine. No more sickness, sorrow, death.

If you care to read it go ahead. I know devilesk isn't. He's just going to denounce as false and claim thats no such proof of any administration.

There's no point in arguing against something a fictional work claims to be true within its own fictional world.

So are you saying we should ignore the old testament? Or that it's okay to just pick what we think works and what we think doesn't work?

I'm sorry, but you're shooting yourself in the foot here.

Well in reality Christians don't ignore the old testament because there are laws that still apply (10 commandments) but its because of the new testaments ends some of those old laws (the sabbath).

What I'm saying is that that verse does not apply because you can be forgiven for anything because Jesus Christ was crucified and paid for our sins. So if you were truly sorry about doing wrong and you ask God (and only God) for forgiveness you will be forgiven. Thats why it is called the grace administration, you have grace. But, it is wrong to do something because you'll know you will be forgiven.

Akar, you're an idiot.

I can't tell if Akar is an idiot, he may just be indoctrinated.

Maybe I am a complete idiot for trying to argue this topic. After a bit of thought; religious views don't matter. What does matter is wisdom.
Let's leave it at that /thread.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 25 2007, 8:15 pm by Akar.

Well, if you're going to be a zealot, you should follow the code completely. Not just the parts that seem practical. ;p

Here's what irks me about "forgiveness". If someone goes to a mall and kills 40 people, but while they're in prison they say ask for forgiveness from god and it's all clear. They go to heaven. But someone else drinks a beer during Lent and doesn't say sorry, they're condemned to hell?

Say I were an admin at a site. Two people commit offenses. One hacks the site and deletes half of it. The other said "sh*t", when the rules state you must asterisk all letters but the first in a swear word (so that it would read "s***"). I say that I will ban all rule breakers, unless they apologize. The first guy has caused so much damage, but all it takes is a word and everything's square with me. The other guy doesn't apologize because he didn't know he was supposed to (or, say, didn't feel like it was fair), and so I ban his ass. Would you want to belong to my website?

Those are fear tactics. We've already established that the bible was written by MEN who claimed to have gotten the word from god. Is it too much of a stretch of the imagination to ask you to consider the possibility that maybe, just MAYBE, they imposed all of these scary rules so that you would follow THEM unquestioningly? Just answer this question. Is that asking too much?

As I've stated, I believe there is some kind of force out there, but that it does not hold the same prejudices as humans do, and likely doesn't really care about the individuals at all.

Ahem.
Because the person asking for forgiveness is being god fearing. They know what they did was bad. But the person as you mention drinking beer on lent is just ignoring what is good.


How can you use half a site?

Not to much to ask. Because things inside the bible really help shape todays modern society. Even one of your american president think it was Abraham lincoln said "the bible is the greatest book to man".

And thats your own opinion. Humans have free will. Its not like this "force" says "obey me bitch. Do what I say but not what I do. Your slaves to me and you can't do anything unless I say so."

Lent was made up by humans, so not doing lent is not a sin.

^And too add onto that all holidays where made up by humans and 75% have actually nothing to do with religion.

This was doodan's question. Good job completely avoiding it guys (akar and jordann). It's a good way to look like a fool.

*Morality.

Ahh, I missed it. It isn't actually written in the bible to motivate by fear, actually it is against it. However, the only reason they were motivated by fear in the law administration was because they had no knowledge of the devil, and they did not have the power that Jesus Christ had.
Now you see, all of the stoning of people is referring to the possessed people (people being possessed by devil spirits). And they could not cast out devils, so all they could do was kill them. They got possessed by letting their mind get side-tracked off of God's word.
The term hell as it is used in today's time is not used in the bible at all.