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Hypnosis - demonic?
Jun 26 2009, 7:21 pm
By: Jesusfreak
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Is hypnotism evil/demoic?
Is hypnotism evil/demoic?
Answer Votes Percentage % Voters
Yes, hypnotism is from the occult and should not be messed with. 1
 
6%
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No, it's perfectly acceptable for a Christian to use hypnosis. 14
 
78%
No, it's acceptable for a Christian to use hypnosis, but only IF.... 3
 
17%
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Jun 29 2009, 5:57 pm Jesusfreak Post #41



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... You mean most people will try and separate love and erotic desire? As in, it's even possible to have erotic desire without love? That... can't be right o_O.
You know of this thing called pornography? And "one-night stands" and masturbation and "cheating" and all that? >_>
If I'm to guess, perhaps you're confusing the word with "intimacy".

Also... I'm confused as to what your problem is. If sexual lust is of disinterest to you, then simply don't involve it with whatever hypnotic recreation you do or plan to or consider or imagine getting into (however far you may go)?

... you mean pornography actually stimulates some people, and some people are willing to have sex with strangers and then ditch them? Gah, normal people are so weird...

I was commenting on the content of that particular site. I'm trying to find hypnosis that suits my (apparently bizarre) tastes, but so far I haven't found much. I'll probably start with self-hypnosis, and later try hypnotizing my girlfriend (if I actually ever get one). I've pretty much got the moral issues worked out, I'm just trying to find the kind of hypnosis that's right for me.



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Jun 29 2009, 6:58 pm DT_Battlekruser Post #42



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You mean most people will try and separate love and erotic desire?

Sadly, most people do not. I do, however. Although EzDay brings up a good point that being aroused/masturbating to pornography is completely commonplace (I once saw a statistic that something like 99% of men and 86% of women have masturbated regularly at one point), and completely divorced from love even in the popular eye.

I do believe that they are totally separate, although both can be present.




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Jun 29 2009, 7:19 pm Jesusfreak Post #43



Sadly? You mean you want people to have erotic sexual desires without even thinking about love? Love can be by itself, but erotic desires should never be without some sense of love (at least, going by the Normal man's definition of "erotic" being nudity, vaginal intercourse, etc).

And why would so many people masturbate on a regular basis? Masturbation doesn't work... I've tried it numerous times, and I barely feel anything at all, let alone the orgasm that people describe.

Oh, and I found another anti-hypnosis argument, this one's actually rather well thought out, if a bit misinformed:
http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-bible-answers/26589-hypnosis.html
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Hypnosis is problematic for a Christian for several reasons:

1) The fruit of the Spirit is self-control (Galatians 5:22-23). As we follow the Spirit’s lead, He will give us the power to better control our own selves. Hypnosis involves the transfer of control away from ourselves to another person.

2) We are to yield ourselves—body, soul, and spirit—to God. Romans 6:12-13 gives us the formula for overcoming sin: “Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.” It’s about control—as Christians, we can let sin control us, or we can let God control us. (See also Romans 6:16-23; 1 Corinthians 6:9-12; and James 4:6-7.) The scriptural formula leaves no room for hypnosis (yielding ourselves to a fellow human being).

3) Hypnosis leads to an altered state of consciousness in which the mind is very susceptible to outside suggestion. That susceptibility is what the hypnotist needs in order to modify the behavior of his subject. However, the word “susceptible” should concern us. Scripture says to be watchful and “… self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). The hypnotist is not the only one who wants to modify our behavior; Satan also wants to do some modifying, and we should be wary of giving him any opportunity to make his suggestions.

4) Hypnotism is often promoted as a simple way of “refocusing” ourselves and finding the answer within us. As believers in Christ, our focus is to be on our Savior, not on ourselves or anything else (Hebrews 12:2). We know that the answers do not lie within us (Romans 7:18); the solution we need is found in Christ (Romans 8:2).

5) Many of the techniques used in hypnosis are shared by mystical, philosophical, and religious systems, including the occult. The “father of hypnotism,” Franz Anton Mesmer—from whose name we get the word “mesmerize”—was himself a practitioner of the occult. His method of inducing a trance was very similar to the way a medium conducts a séance. Hypnotism, along with yoga and transcendental meditation, has always been linked to spiritual darkness. The newfound respectability of these practices has not changed their underlying nature.

1) Galatians 5:22-23 - "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law"
Wasn't the argument that one of the fruits of the spirit was self control? I don't see that listed anywhere...

2) This one makes a little sense. But "yielding control to another human being" is an exaggeration under most cases - there's an "inner guard" in our subconcious that prevents us from going against our morals, although I've heard that a few of the hypnodommes have ways to bypass this guard once you get into them enough (hence, I would recommend not letting yourself be hypnotized by internet strangers unless you KNOW that they are trustworthy). Also, what about self hypnosis?

3) Satan's not going to be modifying anything. The hypnotist ensures that the person's focus is on whatever they want their focus to be on, there's no room for Satan to get in (besides that, under the same logic, Jesus could also get in to help us). If Satan tried to make any suggestions, we probably wouldn't notice them.

4) I might be mistaken, but I'm reasonably sure that somewhere in the Bible it says that upon accepting Christ, the Holy Spirit comes to live inside you. Thus, if you try to look inside yourself (and you're a Christian), you should see the Holy Spirit right in there.

5) For the last time, hypnosis is NOT linked to the occult. As several sources point out, people undergo some form of hypnosis every day (do you need me to provide examples?).

Needless to say though, this was the only well thought out anti-hypnosis argument so far though...



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Jun 29 2009, 7:22 pm DT_Battlekruser Post #44



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Sadly? You mean you want people to have erotic sexual desires without even thinking about love? Love can be by itself, but erotic desires should never be without some sense of love (at least, going by the Normal man's definition of "erotic" being nudity, vaginal intercourse, etc).

I mean people feel only sexual desire for someone and call it 'love'. You know, the old "Show me you love me, baby [by having sex with me]".



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Jun 29 2009, 7:27 pm Jesusfreak Post #45



Ok... meh, normal people these days :lol: .

Anyways, I'm going to try and find a good hypnosis forum site. Where do you guys think I should start with hypnosis? I'm thinking self hypnosis, but I'm still trying to decide between doing it by myself or trying one of the self hypnosis induction mp3 files.



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Jun 29 2009, 7:30 pm DT_Battlekruser Post #46



I really don't know what the specific therapeutic benefits of hypnosis are; the only time I saw a hypnosis show the hypnotist said that being under hypnosis for about 30 minutes is extremely restful and you can come out feeling like you've sleep a good 8 hours. Just don't hurt yourself.



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Jun 29 2009, 7:40 pm Jesusfreak Post #47



Oh, yes, and there's one more thing I almost forgot...
http://www.hypknowsis.com/H01_SelfHypnosisTrance.php#section01
I tried to do this self-hypnosis technique an hour or so ago, but it was impossible to get comfortable in my computer chair. My back in particular could never get comfortable, even when I tried sitting on the sofa, it still didn't feel as good as it should have (and I wouldn't try self-hypnosis on the sofa anyway, I would prefer to be somewhere private and near my computer so I could have the guide there in case I forgot something). Is there any way I can make my back and chair feel more comfortable without seeing a doctor and buying a new chair?
Also, I simply couldn't do the "correct" breathing method. http://www.hypknowsis.com/L39_Breathing.php
I can do it ok while I'm sitting and putting effort into it, but if I try long enough, I start having to gasp for breath, and I also can't do it at all through my nose (you're supposed to breathe through your nose while relaxed; if I try to breathe through my nose, I start gagging and gasping for air because it's so impossible to get any air through the darn thing). Also, I noticed while I tried to breathe "correctly" lying down, that my face would start to tingle, as if something was wrong with the circulation or it wasn't getting enough oxygen.

How do I fix those kinds of problems?



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Jun 29 2009, 8:54 pm EzDay281 Post #48



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erotic desires should never be without some sense of love
By your moral standards, anyways.
As a hedonist, I see no fundamental importance to associating them. (practically speaking, of course, reasons abound, particularly in this society).
But I digress.
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Is there any way I can make my back and chair feel more comfortable without seeing a doctor and buying a new chair?
Depends on your back. Depends on your chair.
Figure out what's uncomfortable, figure out why, then look it up online and/or figure out on your own what to try to do about it. Ideally both.
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(you're supposed to breathe through your nose while relaxed; if I try to breathe through my nose, I start gagging and gasping for air because it's so impossible to get any air through the darn thing).
There's a number of possible causes for this. Your nostrils could just be tiny or your muscles underdeveloped or something else.
It could be just that it's clogged, if you happen to have a tendency for dry mucus (I do, quite badly. Might have to do with being part Japanese - my mother has the problems also, and Japanese earwax apparently tends to be dry). In which case, take a hot, steamy shower and blow your nose well.
If it's muscular, then get in better shape - only hope there, if any.
Otherwise, I can't think of anything, personally.

But again, on all of the problems, it simply depends on a lot of things which we don't know. They're all very non-specific.



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Jun 29 2009, 9:16 pm Jesusfreak Post #49



Actually, I've just found that I breathe naturally through my nose, I just can't breathe "correctly" through my nose, or else I don't get enough air. Although oftentimes my nose does get clogged up. I wonder if the whole "breathing correctly" is really important to hypnosis.



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Jun 29 2009, 9:20 pm Syphon Post #50



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... You mean most people will try and separate love and erotic desire? As in, it's even possible to have erotic desire without love? That... can't be right o_O.

Lust and love are not connected.

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Sadly? You mean you want people to have erotic sexual desires without even thinking about love? Love can be by itself, but erotic desires should never be without some sense of love (at least, going by the Normal man's definition of "erotic" being nudity, vaginal intercourse, etc).

And why would so many people masturbate on a regular basis? Masturbation doesn't work... I've tried it numerous times, and I barely feel anything at all, let alone the orgasm that people describe.

Sexual expression is physically healthy, that's why. But trying to connect love when it isn't there is not mentally healthy. You'll probably learn this some day.

I never thought I'd say this, but you're masturbating wrong.



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Jun 29 2009, 9:23 pm Jesusfreak Post #51



Why would you have never thought you would say that? Is it really that stupid of a question? :-(

How do I masturbate correctly then?



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Jun 29 2009, 9:38 pm Doodan Post #52



Just keep at it for awhile. When you suddenly feel this very powerful urge (that feels sort of like you have to pee), don't stop, keep going.

And keep a towel handy.



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Jun 29 2009, 9:41 pm ClansAreForGays Post #53



Look up something called jackpot.mp3




Jun 29 2009, 9:46 pm Jesusfreak Post #54



I'm not understanding... keep going at what? I'm not even sure if I'm doing it correctly... I've never felt any powerful urges while trying to masturbate...

EDIT: Dang, I've got to work on that... how did the subject go from hypnosis to masturbation so quickly? o_O



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Jun 29 2009, 9:49 pm BiOAtK Post #55



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Are we allowed to describe how to masturbate?



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Jun 29 2009, 9:51 pm Jesusfreak Post #56



I dunno, I don't remember anything about it being in the rules, although it might go under "sexually explicit" content...

EDIT: Is it just me, or has this topic gotten a lot more viewers ever since masturbation was brought up?



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Jun 29 2009, 10:00 pm DT_Battlekruser Post #57



In an official capacity, I say that we should avoid any explicit descriptions; mature discussion of such topics is allowed but if things get too graphic they will break certain standards of decency. If there is an honest issue, continue via Private Messages (there is no content restriction on PMs as long as it's not offensive or distasteful to the person you are sending it to).

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As a hedonist, I see no fundamental importance to associating them.

The two things I would settle for in society are: (1) recognizing that love and lust are completely separate feelings - in part it is possible to have sexual feelings for just about anyone [of the opposite sex - I'm assuming heterosexuality here]. (2) an end to the belief that sexual promiscuity should be an admired quality. I don't mind it in principle, but it really bothers me when people think they're cool because they have had sex, or more sex than someone else, etc. The sort of societal trend that makes girlfriends "cool" and wives "a hassle".

But now I am really digressing. I think I should remove the topic warning though; this thread has totally spread out into a general discussion of morals.




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Jun 29 2009, 10:05 pm Jesusfreak Post #58



You can if you want, I've pretty much come to a decision anyway.

Put simply, I've decided that self hypnosis is ok (except for perhaps hypnotizing yourself to believe you are having sex or something of that nature), hypnosis between trustworthy Christians is ok (whether it's therapic, stress relief, or just for fun), and erotic hypnosis between married couples is ok.
Submitting completely to a hypnodomme (particularly one who's sessions are rather pornographic), on the other hand, is extremely dangerous, although I might consider finding a Christian hypnodomme once I get to be a bit older.



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