This is whole thing is a more or less good debate. Personnely I think that if time is the fourth dimension then I can reasonable expect it to be affected by gravity. I'm also confused about a few science terms. What exactly do all the variables in the formula P = W over t mean. I know most of them but I've often had a lot of trouble with formulas because the text doesn't specify exactly what it is.

This is whole thing is a more or less good debate. Personnely I think that if time is the fourth dimension then I can reasonable expect it to be affected by gravity. I'm also confused about a few science terms.
What exactly do all the variables in the formula P = W over t mean. I know most of them but I've often had a lot of trouble with formulas because the text doesn't specify exactly what it is.

zombie assuming you went by string theory and force of gravity was applied in such of in the idea of a sprinkler the further your dimensia of space was to the middle the less gravity affects which is a valid theory to why gravity is such a weak force compared to others for example magnetism, a simple fridge magnet can outpower all of the earths force of gravity but if gravity was leeching through multiple dimensia it would also explain why it didnt much effect time assuming it be the 4th dimension.

zombie assuming you went by string theory and force of gravity was applied in such of in the idea of a sprinkler the further your dimensia of space was to the middle the less gravity affects which is a valid theory to why gravity is such a weak force compared to others for example magnetism, a simple fridge magnet can outpower all of the earths force of gravity but if gravity was leeching through multiple dimensia it would also explain why it didnt much effect time assuming it be the 4th dimension.

Time in't the 4th dimension. It's the 0th dimension

Time in't the 4th dimension. It's the 0th dimension

No. The 0th dimension is an abstract concept. It isn't real. It is so conceptual that it's represented as a dot with is a-dimensional but then again the thinnest dot you could ever make it always has a dimension.

No.
The 0th dimension is an abstract concept. It isn't real. It is so conceptual that it's represented as a dot with is a-dimensional but then again the thinnest dot you could ever make it always has a dimension.

Philosophical discussions that border on pseudoscience on SEN? No way!

Philosophical discussions that border on pseudoscience on SEN? No way!

[quote=name:Ckol]Philosophical discussions that border on pseudoscience on SEN? No way![/quote] YA WAY. Based off a completely random, insane concept that I just thought up: If the 4th dimension was time, and black holes are "gateways", would that mean that if we found the right "gate" we would be time itself? :omfg:

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Philosophical discussions that border on pseudoscience on SEN? No way!

YA WAY.

Based off a completely random, insane concept that I just thought up:

If the 4th dimension was time, and black holes are "gateways", would that mean that if we found the right "gate" we would be time itself?

How could we "become" Time? This is kinda ridiculous... But still... talking about the black holes, y'a know the Worms theory of it? Also called White Fountain I think... Black holes are linked to a White Fountain and you can pass in it to re-appear at the end (but this is non-return). Anyway, I don't feel like explaining this today, but I think I said the big part of it :P

How could we "become" Time? This is kinda ridiculous...
But still... talking about the black holes, y'a know the Worms theory of it? Also called White Fountain I think...
Black holes are linked to a White Fountain and you can pass in it to re-appear at the end (but this is non-return).
Anyway, I don't feel like explaining this today, but I think I said the big part of it

Let's give this a try and throw vi3t into a black hole. Let's see if he gets out in another thing. ( Of course, he would be practically ripped to more than a billion pieces before he gets to even the singularity part.

Let's give this a try and throw vi3t into a black hole. Let's see if he gets out in another thing. ( Of course, he would be practically ripped to more than a billion pieces before he gets to even the singularity part.

Lets start with 0 dimension. -This gives us absolutely nothing. We mark 0 dimension in algebra and calculus with a dot on a piece of paper, but really in 0 dimension there would be no room for a dot, because a dot is a 2 dimensional figure. (1st)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of dots adjacent to one another. -This gives us a line that is infinite. ([i]x[/i]) (2nd)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of lines adjacent to one another -This gives us a flat plain that is infinite.([i]x,y[/i]) (3rd)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of plains adjacent to one another -This gives us a three dimensional shape (cube, or sphere) that is infinite. ([i]x,y,z[/i]) (4th)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of cubes, or spheres adjacent to each other. -This gives us something that i cannot comprehend. Mainly because even if you have a cube adjacent to another cube bot cubes can be measured within the 3rd dimension. (The reason the dimension isn't measured in x,y,z,a is because x,y,z,a can be measured with x,y,z. The idea of the 4th dimension completely spits in the face of geometrical thinking, lol.)

Lets start with 0 dimension.
-This gives us absolutely nothing. We mark 0 dimension in algebra and calculus with a dot on a piece of paper, but really in 0 dimension there would be no room for a dot, because a dot is a 2 dimensional figure.

(1st)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of dots adjacent to one another.
-This gives us a line that is infinite. (x)

(2nd)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of lines adjacent to one another
-This gives us a flat plain that is infinite.(x,y)

(3rd)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of plains adjacent to one another
-This gives us a three dimensional shape (cube, or sphere) that is infinite. (x,y,z)

(4th)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of cubes, or spheres adjacent to each other.
-This gives us something that i cannot comprehend. Mainly because even if you have a cube adjacent to another cube bot cubes can be measured within the 3rd dimension. (The reason the dimension isn't measured in x,y,z,a is because x,y,z,a can be measured with x,y,z. The idea of the 4th dimension completely spits in the face of geometrical thinking, lol.)

[quote](4th)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of cubes, or spheres adjacent to each other.[/quote] What about an onion or the rings of a tree?

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(4th)Lets add a dimension, by doing this we are assuming that there is an infinite amount of cubes, or spheres adjacent to each other.

What about an onion or the rings of a tree?

Look up tesseract, it is the 4-dimensional cube. i think it's what your getting at. [quote]a biggest failure with 'absolutes' is that simply using them is a fallacy in most cases.[/quote] -Are you absolutely sure about that?

Look up tesseract, it is the 4-dimensional cube. i think it's what your getting at.

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a biggest failure with 'absolutes' is that simply using them is a fallacy in most cases.

-Are you absolutely sure about that?

[quote=midget_man_66](The reason the dimension isn't measured in x,y,z,a is because x,y,z,a can be measured with x,y,z. The idea of the 4th dimension completely spits in the face of geometrical thinking, lol.)[/quote] They aren't next to one another in the current dimentions the same way that making a cube doesn't simply place squares next to one another on a plane. [quote=Vi3t-X]we would be time itself?[/quote] Who's to say we aren't time already?

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(The reason the dimension isn't measured in x,y,z,a is because x,y,z,a can be measured with x,y,z. The idea of the 4th dimension completely spits in the face of geometrical thinking, lol.)

They aren't next to one another in the current dimentions the same way that making a cube doesn't simply place squares next to one another on a plane.

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we would be time itself?

Who's to say we aren't time already?

[quote=name:Rantent][quote=Vi3t-X]we would be time itself?[/quote] Who's to say we aren't time already?[/quote] Who says time exists at all?

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we would be time itself?

Who's to say we aren't time already?

Who says time exists at all?

[img=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/8-cell-simple.gif/200px-8-cell-simple.gif] Tesseract aka tetracube rotating on a single axis [img=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Tesseract.gif/150px-Tesseract.gif] Tesseract rotating on 2 axes.

Tesseract aka tetracube rotating on a single axis

Tesseract rotating on 2 axes.

It doesn't really look like it's rotating O.o Is the first one rotating on it's "vertical center"?

It doesn't really look like it's rotating O.o
Is the first one rotating on it's "vertical center"?

The Ten Dimensions: http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php Very easy to understand, I agree with it. :) Explains hyperspace travel. You don't go super super super super fast. You just go through dimensions. :)

The Ten Dimensions:
http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

Very easy to understand, I agree with it.
Explains hyperspace travel. You don't go super super super super fast. You just go through dimensions.

[quote=name:payne]It doesn't really look like it's rotating O.o Is the first one rotating on it's "vertical center"?[/quote] it is rotating from front-left to back-right.

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It doesn't really look like it's rotating O.o
Is the first one rotating on it's "vertical center"?

it is rotating from front-left to back-right.

sigh, delete these please, i need sleep

sigh, delete these please, i need sleep

sigh, delete these please, i need sleep

sigh, delete these please, i need sleep

[quote=name:Ckol][quote=name:Matt Burch]The Ten Dimensions: http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php Very easy to understand, I agree with it. :) Explains hyperspace travel. You don't go super super super super fast. You just go through dimensions. :)[/quote] Is an massive oversimplification of (theoretical) multidimensional physics, but does provoke thought, which is what it was designed to do, rather than be an actual physical model.[/quote] [quote=name:Ckol][quote=name:Matt Burch]The Ten Dimensions: http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php Very easy to understand, I agree with it. :) Explains hyperspace travel. You don't go super super super super fast. You just go through dimensions. :)[/quote] Is an massive oversimplification of (theoretical) multidimensional physics, but does provoke thought, which is what it was designed to do, rather than be an actual physical model.[/quote] Also be aware that that is a REPRESENTATION of a Tesseract, its impossible for our brains to comprehend things with four spatial dimensions

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Quote from O)Matt Burch

The Ten Dimensions:
http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

Very easy to understand, I agree with it.
Explains hyperspace travel. You don't go super super super super fast. You just go through dimensions.

Is an massive oversimplification of (theoretical) multidimensional physics, but does provoke thought, which is what it was designed to do, rather than be an actual physical model.

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Quote from O)Matt Burch

The Ten Dimensions:
http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

Very easy to understand, I agree with it.
Explains hyperspace travel. You don't go super super super super fast. You just go through dimensions.

Is an massive oversimplification of (theoretical) multidimensional physics, but does provoke thought, which is what it was designed to do, rather than be an actual physical model.

Also be aware that that is a REPRESENTATION of a Tesseract, its impossible for our brains to comprehend things with four spatial dimensions