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9/11 Conspiracy
Sep 5 2008, 1:13 am
By: midget_man_66
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Sep 5 2008, 1:13 am midget_man_66 Post #1



Yes, this is a conspiracy dealing with 9/11.

So... i recommend watching youtube videos listed here:
part 1
part 2
part 3
part 4
part 5
part 6
part 7
part 8

the list goes on. the most compelling evidence i have found was that describing how demolitions are initiated, and then comparison the the remaining beams left at the site.

The videos pretty much state that a think tank, linking neo-conservatives with a single written paper (The New World Order), set the basic premise for the 9/11 attack This paper was written in the year 2000, coincidence? The goal? a unifying effect to the extent of pearl harbor. Who was involved? apparently the entire bush administration.

Three towers in the 100 years of steel framed buildings have collapsed due to "fire", all of them leased by the same man. It was a cost of merely hundreds of millions to lease the twin towers, and an amendment was added to the insurance policy about 4 months earlier then the 9/11 attack... one for coverage of terrorist attacks. Larry Silverstein received 7,000,000,000 dollars to compensate. Profit? Yes.

Was this an accident? or was it a pre-planned money opportunity? i cannot provide all of the answers off of my head, although... i am definitely going to do a kick ass research paper for my advanced writing class about this xD

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 5 2008, 1:55 am by midget_man_66.



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Sep 5 2008, 1:19 am Falkoner Post #2



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Yes, this is a conspiracy dealing with 9/11

:lol:


Seriously, A: Why would the government want to do that? It does nothing to help them.
B: If you watch videos that aren't just trying to prove it's a conspiracy, they show that the beams did not completely melt, they simply bent, which is why the building imploded on itself.



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Sep 5 2008, 1:33 am CecilSunkure Post #3



I didn't watch all of the videos, i watched the first 4 and watching the buildings fall, they fall exactly like buildings that are intentionally razed. Most of us have seen on TV when some old building has been deemed hazardous and is razed using dynamite, and they fell fast and straight down.

While watching shows like Real TV, and Most Shocking, I've seen buildings fall, and most of the time it is not straight downward, they topple sideways.

I've always been really hesitant in accepting the fall of the twin towers mostly because an airplane can hit only one side of a building, and not all four at once creating a straight downward drop. Also when something is broken, shattered, or cracked, the part that breaks is always the weakest link, the weakest spot in the entire object. How could a four sided building have all four sides crumble all at once, instead of one of the corners giving way near the middle to base, and ending with the building toppling towards the weakest spot in the structure. It doesn't seem to make sense that an airplane hitting a building would create a downward collapse.

About the explosions circling the buildings, today it's just too easy to fake films and modify videos for me to completley accept the ones posted.



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Sep 5 2008, 1:42 am CecilSunkure Post #4



Quote from Falkoner
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Yes, this is a conspiracy dealing with 9/11

:lol:


Seriously, A: Why would the government want to do that? It does nothing to help them.
B: If you watch videos that aren't just trying to prove it's a conspiracy, they show that the beams did not completely melt, they simply bent, which is why the building imploded on itself.


Well it could get us closer to a new world order, first creating a conflict, then pointing towards the NWO as the solution to conflicts.



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Sep 5 2008, 1:54 am midget_man_66 Post #5



Quote from Falkoner
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Yes, this is a conspiracy dealing with 9/11

:lol:


Seriously, A: Why would the government want to do that? It does nothing to help them.
B: If you watch videos that aren't just trying to prove it's a conspiracy, they show that the beams did not completely melt, they simply bent, which is why the building imploded on itself.

(a)Watch as many videos as you can, i believe it is the part 11 video that answers your question about the governments motivation.
(b)"part 8 - metal did melt at the base of the towers.



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Sep 5 2008, 3:29 am Lingie Post #6



9/11 was totally a conspiracy. Remember that one building that never got hit with a plane? Remember how the three buildings fell like they were set up to be demolished? (If you read up on it.)

It was simply used to enter the war, and strike fear into Americans so we'd enter the war. Its good for the government in that matter, because theres something over there that America wants.



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Sep 5 2008, 4:37 am FatalException Post #7



One quick question: Do you also think the moon landing never happened?



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Sep 5 2008, 4:45 am CecilSunkure Post #8



Quote from FatalException
One quick question: Do you also think the moon landing never happened?

Me? No way, ive seen the moonlanding arguements and they stink. Especially the stillshots that are supposed to be fake, like how the footprints, the lighting, the walking behavior, the shadows, everything was disproved it seems by the show Mythbusters.

That myth failed.



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Sep 5 2008, 5:17 am KrayZee Post #9



An inside job? How dares you!?!



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Sep 5 2008, 6:01 am MillenniumArmy Post #10



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That myth failed.
At least that one had more thought put into it than this one.

I strongly recommend everyone to take a few courses in dealing with Structural Analysis or more specifically, elements of steel design. Once you do, you'll immediately see that the first 3 videos are pure nonsense.

As unfortunate as it is, i haven't seen a single structural engineer make any discussion about this. You only see fire fighters, policemen, lawyers "specializing in physics," and lots of higher ups who lack even the simplest of engineering mechanics. I myself haven't been fully educated in all that is needed to know for structures but i know enough to know that this segment is completely bullshit. If you are going to do research on this, please don't do anything on this particular segment for your own sake.

First, lets discuss how a building is made.

An architect draws and visualizes the blueprints, and then gives the drawings to an engineering firm. What they do is they calculate the maximum shear, bending, torsional, axial forces each beam can withstand within a safety factor. And these safety factors have to be pretty damn high for large structures to cover the margin of errors. The beams, girders, floor platings, and columns all have undergone analysis and have been designed through the least costly but safest means.

There's a lot more too, they must understand the impact dead and live loads will have on the building. Dead loads are loads like office desks, chairs, furniture, sofas, etc, which are stationary and do not move around. As they sit overtime, they will have an impact on the design of the building's structure. Now the trickiest part is the live loads. You must account for wind loads, seismic loads, people moving loads inside the building, and even vacuum loads that result from winds traveling around and about the building. There's just so much to this, even ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers) is still working daily to continue more research on such live loads.


However, when you design a building, you don't factor in giant boeing airplanes crashing into these buildings. You wouldn't factor in large debris falling from the sky and onto the building.


But when such things do happen, it messes everything up. The analysis, the design, and the strength and stress of the building's structure. And trust me, fire DOES play a huge role, ESPECIALLY if the loads and mechanics of the materials are gravely altered by such outrageous things. Now here's the catch; people say that fire can't make a steel building crash and burn. That is true, but there's one huge assumption you are making, you are assuming that the building has had no planes crash into it, or more specifically, is still safe within it's safety factors when analyzing the stress and forces on the building. Again, people don't design any buildings so that it can withstand airplane crashes (Lol if we did, we'd literally have to have super thick buildings made out of like 100 feet thick concrete walls covering the whole surface area or something. Fucking expensive if you ask me LMAO) so once this unforeseen element comes into play, it throws everything in total disarray.

Now you see, when a plane crashes into a building, it's bound to destroy some girders, columns, and beams. The destruction of these in itself may seem negligible compared to the whole building, but these elements will cause a change in the remaining structure's stress, strain, and force components, possibly making them unsafe now. The safety factor for the building code has probably been breached, or is near it's dangerous limit, and now once you have a plane with hundreds of gallons of gasoline ignited by fire, this temperature will affect a structure's no-longer-safe design. Like i said earlier, fire may not necessarily affect a perfectly free-standing, unaffected, and holeless steel building that has undergone meticulous engineering design, but in EVERY conspiracy video i've seen, people have failed to mentioned this point. Whether it be ignorance, or purposely leaving this out, i don't know.

Now why did the buildings falling sound like demolitions? Why were they so free-falling? Well, let's introduce a new term here: buckling. When the actual bending or axial/shear stress on a column/beam exceeds the material's actual yield or maximum stress, a beam will buckle and collapse or break apart. Now when engineers design a building, they make sure that the properties of the materials will not exceed it's maximum tensile, compressive, or shear stress from such loads like dead, live, or the building's own weight. When the first few beams start buckling, they may start collapsing slowly, but the more floors that start collapsing, the faster the buckling will becoming (due to cumulative weight). Eventually, the weight will become so great that it can instantly collapse the now seemingly puny columns and beams. Thus, from an uneducated one's point of view, it may seem as if the building is free falling. What's actually happening is that the strength of the columns and beams are too insignificant compared to the now enormous and shear amount of the falling structures. As for the mumble jumbo the guy in the second video mentions, the reason there is "no resistence" to the falling of the structure is because of the cumulative weight of the "failed" floors resulting from the buckling of the beams which makes it seem as if there's no resistence. He's talking as if this building is a thermodynamic or a mechanical system like a machine and if the WTC was either of those, he might have had some credibility. A building isn't a machine, it is a static system. Again, all this is possible because of the fact that an airplane slamming into the building totally messes up the components of a building's mechanics.

And remember, just because firefighters, policemen, and other uneducated witnesses in the realm of structural engineering have said that they've heard explosions doesn't mean they really are explosions. It's called figurative language. Another important component engineers and architects must account for when planning a building is it's mechanical, electrical, piping systems. A building is loaded with all of these things, most of us don't know they exist because they're hidden behind the walls floors and ceilings. Such things can be dangerous and explosive, because alot of these things contain gas. Now when up to 100 floors worth of steel comes crashing down on such components, i'm sure there's going to be explosions and fireworks going on. And don't forget the heat generate by the fire. That's probably where theses "explosions" are coming from. They aren't demolitions or bombs, they're gas explosions or whatever coming from a building's interiors.
Oh and also, the columns on the very first filoor of any skyscraper have to be holding the greatest load as compared to the other columns on the different floors. When large debris start falling down onto a building, this will put much more stress and force on the first floor's columns, thus having them buckle and make the building seem as if it's free falling, like you would see in a controlled demolition.


So there you have it. The mumble jumbo in the first 3 videos are pure nonsense. Any well educaated civil, structural, architectural, or to some extent even a mechanical engineer will realize that how these buildings collapsed is mechanically possible and is not a controlled demolition.

As for the other components of this 9/11 conspiracy, like the pentagon, I've made my comment about that a while while ago, but if you ever were to do a research paper, you could possibly do it based on the other segments of the video, one's which seem to fall more under the theoretical aspects of the conspiracy.



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Sep 5 2008, 1:23 pm Impeached Post #11



Years ago, there was a magazine called Popular Mechanics that killed the 9/11 conspiracy. Not that it wasn't already dead anyway.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html



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Sep 5 2008, 2:02 pm Lingie Post #12



But they didn't just hear them. Theres about a hunded public accounts that FELT explosions in the lower levels of the buildings. And remember, no plane ever hit building 7, it fell like the others. Planned demolition.



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Sep 5 2008, 2:25 pm KrayZee Post #13



Quote from name:Darkling
But they didn't just hear them. Theres about a hunded public accounts that FELT explosions in the lower levels of the buildings. And remember, no plane ever hit building 7, it fell like the others. Planned demolition.
No it's not. There are THREE reasons seen in this thread that it was NOT a conspiracy. First, I posted Bill Clinton proving the conspiracy is not a conspiracy. Second, MillenniumArmy argued. Third, Impeached just linked to a Mechanic magazine article.



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Sep 5 2008, 3:14 pm Lingie Post #14



No plane hit building 7.



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Sep 5 2008, 8:09 pm Jello-Jigglers Post #15



Adding on the mill's argument, it is believed that there was some sort of design flaw with the WTC so that with enough heat, it would have collapsed w/ or w/o the plane crash. Start a fire with plenty of fuel, it can cause a system failure.

Quote from name:Darkling
No plane hit building 7.
You're just sounding like an ignorant fool now. Look at the facts, their right in front of your face. Millennium lay it out perfect for anyone with common sense to see.

Just because some people heard an alleged explosion, means absolutely nothing. Mass hysteria is very easy to fall into. People often let their stories be exaggerated to increase the effect. It is common among people to "invent" memories when they are dealing with lots of stress, or when they participate or observe something drastic. These things combined show it's perfectly possible, and likely, that building three was not detonated in anyway, and it was in fact, another act of terrorism.

You must be a liberal....

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Sep 5 2008, 8:18 pm by Jello-Jigglers.



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Sep 5 2008, 8:39 pm Kaias Post #16



This is ridiculous.

People like to cling to what little evidence they can despite all the flaws, contrary evidence and lack of logic. Worse is that all the 'little evidence' is evidently false.



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Sep 5 2008, 9:27 pm Jello-Jigglers Post #17



Quote from Fierce
Honestly, people died. Why does it matter? :ermm:
Are you kidding? It makes a HUGE difference whether they were killed by terrorists, or by our own gov't, or by our own civilians... That's why it's so important to understand that this was an act of terrorism. People from other countries attacked us, that's why we're at war. That's why I can't understand people when they say they don't wanna be at war. Well, WHO THE HECK DOES?? We had to go and take their troops out, to send a message that we are immovable. You cannot walk on the US.



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Sep 5 2008, 11:17 pm Lingie Post #18



Quote from Fierce
Honestly, people died. Why does it matter? :ermm:

Natural selection. Damn straight. Everyone's gotta die sometime.

Oh by the way, how did building 7 get hit by anything? No plane ever hit it. And war? What war? Oh right, that thing that our government says is a War on Terrorism. Thanks to the UN, we can't fire first, and we can watch innocents get raped in the streets and can't do anything. Some war. Oh, and we all go nuts when one soldier dies. I'd understand if it were your kid or friend, but when you put a ribbon on the back of you car telling the person behind you to support our troops... WHY DON'T YOU GRAB AN M-16 AND HELP YOURSELF?

The war is BS. Its all a conspiracy. If you don't like this idea, and you call us idiots for supporting it, I ask of you: Open your fucking mind, and look ahead of what people tell you. Seek truth in yourself, and your experiences.



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Sep 5 2008, 11:18 pm Jello-Jigglers Post #19



Quote from name:Darkling
Quote from Fierce
Honestly, people died. Why does it matter? :ermm:

Natural selection. Damn straight. Everyone's gotta die sometime.

Oh by the way, how did building 7 get hit by anything? No plane ever hit it.
Who said it got hit?



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Sep 5 2008, 11:23 pm Lingie Post #20



It fell. Why did it fall? No plane hit it, and it fell as if the basement was taken out, just like the other two.



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