[quote=name:Brontobyte]What if its less then 600?[/quote] Lol you're kidding right? Now what happens if the player DOES NOT use a cheat and thus DOES NOT gain a high amount of money instantly... hmmmm.... lemme think... what is happening then... :ermm:

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What if its less then 600?

Lol you're kidding right? Now what happens if the player DOES NOT use a cheat and thus DOES NOT gain a high amount of money instantly... hmmmm.... lemme think... what is happening then...

I was playing another melee style map and it had EUD triggers that were used to detect map hack usage. More stuff!

I was playing another melee style map and it had EUD triggers that were used to detect map hack usage. More stuff!

[quote=name:Falkoner]The mineral hacks give exactly 514 minerals whenever used(on a unit, which can be larvae, hydralisks, or mutalisks) so that could help make it more precise, but there is also the ability to take a building with the ability to morph, and then return a wounded drone and some money for it, I'm not too sure how you would detect that one though..[/quote] Yeh that's a bit complex admittedly. I can barely follow the logic shown here to detect when a player uses a ZMH. Useful though. I took a look at the amount of triggers used in this process for Phantom and I nearly shit myself. I don't play melee type maps often so it isn't so difficult to imagine a practical way to prevent ZMH in a UMS game.

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The mineral hacks give exactly 514 minerals whenever used(on a unit, which can be larvae, hydralisks, or mutalisks) so that could help make it more precise, but there is also the ability to take a building with the ability to morph, and then return a wounded drone and some money for it, I'm not too sure how you would detect that one though..

Yeh that's a bit complex admittedly. I can barely follow the logic shown here to detect when a player uses a ZMH. Useful though. I took a look at the amount of triggers used in this process for Phantom and I nearly shit myself.

I don't play melee type maps often so it isn't so difficult to imagine a practical way to prevent ZMH in a UMS game.

[quote=name:Crackhead]I took a look at the amount of triggers used in this process for Phantom and I nearly shit myself.[/quote] Its really not a lot. All you have to do is set up 1 set of Binary Count Offs to subtract your minerals and another to add them. I'm sure that you have to do other things as well to figure out if the difference is 541 or not. The subtracting minerals/adding them to a death counter, and subtracting death counts/adding them to minerals should be about 42 triggers. 21 subtracting and 21 adding back. This will ensure that the maximum amount of minerals is never reached.

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I took a look at the amount of triggers used in this process for Phantom and I nearly shit myself.

Its really not a lot. All you have to do is set up 1 set of Binary Count Offs to subtract your minerals and another to add them. I'm sure that you have to do other things as well to figure out if the difference is 541 or not. The subtracting minerals/adding them to a death counter, and subtracting death counts/adding them to minerals should be about 42 triggers. 21 subtracting and 21 adding back. This will ensure that the maximum amount of minerals is never reached.

If this is for a Phantom map, ZMH is the least of your worries, using a Stathack allows you to immediately know who the phantom is.

If this is for a Phantom map, ZMH is the least of your worries, using a Stathack allows you to immediately know who the phantom is.

This map theoritecally can detect mineral hack and defeats the user. I tested in single and with one friend on bnet. Seems like it works.

This map theoritecally can detect mineral hack and defeats the user. I tested in single and with one friend on bnet. Seems like it works.

It's quite simple, you just use binary count-offs to constantly keep a record of what their minerals were the trigger loop before, then check to see if in one trigger loop their minerals have suddenly jumped up by a multiple of 514(since you can use it on multiple units)

It's quite simple, you just use binary count-offs to constantly keep a record of what their minerals were the trigger loop before, then check to see if in one trigger loop their minerals have suddenly jumped up by a multiple of 514(since you can use it on multiple units)

[quote=name:Falkoner]If this is for a Phantom map, ZMH is the least of your worries, using a Stathack allows you to immediately know who the phantom is.[/quote] I don't know how but the method used in this one map messes the stathack up. I tested it and it shows a rising and falling number even when the player has no gas/minerals. I think the constant adding/subtracting from the mineral/gas count messes this up. :)

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If this is for a Phantom map, ZMH is the least of your worries, using a Stathack allows you to immediately know who the phantom is.

I don't know how but the method used in this one map messes the stathack up. I tested it and it shows a rising and falling number even when the player has no gas/minerals. I think the constant adding/subtracting from the mineral/gas count messes this up.

Does anyone know what unit the hack creates/kills in order to make the hack work? I think using simple deathcounts we can prevent it, as the binary count offs are a bit more work than id like to do.

Does anyone know what unit the hack creates/kills in order to make the hack work? I think using simple deathcounts we can prevent it, as the binary count offs are a bit more work than id like to do.

I think its just a Zerg Egg. I tried the Oblivian hack and when I clicked F6 on a Zerg Larva, it created a unit with a Arrow Pointing left as its picture. I don't know if this would help at all. I then placed a Zerg Egg and killed it and no minerals. It also can be used with Zerg Hydralisk and other units other then just using it with Zerg Larva. I think it can be done with Zerg Larva, Zerg Hydralisk, Zerg Mutalisk, and Zerg Creep Colonys

I think its just a Zerg Egg. I tried the Oblivian hack and when I clicked F6 on a Zerg Larva, it created a unit with a Arrow Pointing left as its picture. I don't know if this would help at all. I then placed a Zerg Egg and killed it and no minerals. It also can be used with Zerg Hydralisk and other units other then just using it with Zerg Larva. I think it can be done with Zerg Larva, Zerg Hydralisk, Zerg Mutalisk, and Zerg Creep Colonys

It seems to spawn the eggs used when you preplace a morphing unit, and then cancels them. Why would your method mess up vespene as well as minerals? I mean, it's a nice side-effect, but why?

It seems to spawn the eggs used when you preplace a morphing unit, and then cancels them.

Why would your method mess up vespene as well as minerals? I mean, it's a nice side-effect, but why?

Well the unit within it has to be something we have access to in SCMDraft or something. I made a trigger to make a player lose should they command any zerg markers or unuseds from the zerg unit tree but obviously if the egg doesnt finishing morphing, which it wont, you dont command the unit, and so this doesnt work. Im thinking if we make it so a player suffers a death of a zerg egg it might work the same no? Then just put an in-game message telling people not to cancel eggs.

Well the unit within it has to be something we have access to in SCMDraft or something. I made a trigger to make a player lose should they command any zerg markers or unuseds from the zerg unit tree but obviously if the egg doesnt finishing morphing, which it wont, you dont command the unit, and so this doesnt work. Im thinking if we make it so a player suffers a death of a zerg egg it might work the same no? Then just put an in-game message telling people not to cancel eggs.

[quote=name:Excalibur]Im thinking if we make it so a player suffers a death of a zerg egg it might work the same no?[/quote]I doubt that cancelling changes the death counts. Try larva death too however. [quote=name:Excalibur] Then just put an in-game message telling people not to cancel eggs.[/quote]lol

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Im thinking if we make it so a player suffers a death of a zerg egg it might work the same no?

I doubt that cancelling changes the death counts. Try larva death too however.

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Then just put an in-game message telling people not to cancel eggs.

lol

Well, there has to be some way around this. There is some more troubling news that I found out about this method. You have to add 514 for each possible Zerg Egg that the player could cancel at once. This means I have to have a trigger for Exactly 514 = 1 Egg, Exactly 1028 = 2 Eggs, all the way up to 255/256. I think its 256 but correct me if I'm wrong. That would be the maximum amount possible to cancel at once for this method to be useful. Could there be another method or system to use that would allow you to not make every trigger for each of the outcome?

Well, there has to be some way around this. There is some more troubling news that I found out about this method. You have to add 514 for each possible Zerg Egg that the player could cancel at once. This means I have to have a trigger for Exactly 514 = 1 Egg, Exactly 1028 = 2 Eggs, all the way up to 255/256. I think its 256 but correct me if I'm wrong. That would be the maximum amount possible to cancel at once for this method to be useful. Could there be another method or system to use that would allow you to not make every trigger for each of the outcome?

Yeah, as I said, you need to be able to detect every multiple of 514 :P 255 is the maximum amount of units you can select using the multi-selection hacks.

Yeah, as I said, you need to be able to detect every multiple of 514 255 is the maximum amount of units you can select using the multi-selection hacks.

[quote=name:Falkoner]Yeah, as I said, you need to be able to detect every multiple of 514 :P 255 is the maximum amount of units you can select using the multi-selection hacks.[/quote] Is there some sort of system that I could set up that would allow me to subtract or add a counter to see if its equal to 514 or do I need to just make every trigger for each outcome? 255 outcomes? I don't mind the triggering (text triggers ftw!) but that would increase the size of my map by more then it needs to.

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Yeah, as I said, you need to be able to detect every multiple of 514 255 is the maximum amount of units you can select using the multi-selection hacks.

Is there some sort of system that I could set up that would allow me to subtract or add a counter to see if its equal to 514 or do I need to just make every trigger for each outcome? 255 outcomes? I don't mind the triggering (text triggers ftw!) but that would increase the size of my map by more then it needs to.

Just make a couple of 514 * n triggers (ex. n = 1 - 5) and a last trigger that detects at least 2500 mineral gain

Just make a couple of 514 * n triggers (ex. n = 1 - 5) and a last trigger that detects at least 2500 mineral gain

Yeah, that would be the best method, although you might end up with problems if someone cancels a few hatcheries or something, but I like 2500 should be too high for any problems like that, without using MultiCommand.

Yeah, that would be the best method, although you might end up with problems if someone cancels a few hatcheries or something, but I like 2500 should be too high for any problems like that, without using MultiCommand.

So instead of every trigger being a multiple of 514 and having it exactly, I should just put "X = at least 514" or "X = at least 2500"?

So instead of every trigger being a multiple of 514 and having it exactly, I should just put "X = at least 514" or "X = at least 2500"?

Most melee players launch through a program called Chaos launcher with adv-loader add on. It can detect zerg mineral hack. But even if they do mineral hack, I've been able to beat them numerous times. :( Also, mineral hack detection can be confused from mass unit canceling. Like if I canceled 3 hatcheries instantly, then that would be detected as a mineral hack.

Most melee players launch through a program called Chaos launcher with adv-loader add on. It can detect zerg mineral hack. But even if they do mineral hack, I've been able to beat them numerous times.
Also, mineral hack detection can be confused from mass unit canceling. Like if I canceled 3 hatcheries instantly, then that would be detected as a mineral hack.