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Making a website
Apr 11 2008, 2:16 pm
By: Sie_Sayoka
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Apr 11 2008, 2:16 pm Sie_Sayoka Post #1



Salutations fellow humanoids, as the title suggests I am interested in creating a website. First off I would have to purchase a domain name(at least i think thats it) If so then where, should I purchase one and how much would it cost. And from there I dont know what to do ;D So if you would be so kind to leave a detailed step by step instruction of the entire process I would be very much greatful.

Thanks in advance ;D



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Apr 11 2008, 9:10 pm Hercanic Post #2

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Dear Sie Sayoka:
I went with Dreamhost for domain name registration. Price is on par with other providers like GoDaddy (like $10 per year), but Dreamhost includes free WHOIS protection, whereas other providers charge $5-$10 per year for that.

WHOIS protection is basically them putting up their contact info for WHOIS lookup, rather than your personal information. By law, you have to use your correct information or risk losing your site (if someone wanted your domain name, for instance, that'd be a sneaky way to steal it). Yet, if your information is freely available, expect plenty of spam. That's why I opt for WHOIS protection, and why Dreamhost offered the best deal for me. Not to mention, just reading through their website, they are quite a cool company.

In terms of complete web hosting, both Campaign Creations and SAmods are hosted by Dreamhost, and it's been known to go down every so often. So, reliability isn't the best, but otherwise I like Dreamhost. They have a nice user interface that's easy on the eyes (unlike GoDaddy), plenty of handy features like one-click installs for phpBB, MediaWiki, and other web-enhancing software, and they have a nifty little loyalty program whereby they increase your bandwidth and storage for free the longer you stay with them.




Apr 12 2008, 8:55 am Sie_Sayoka Post #3



=o thx got any other hosting sites? also what do you do to renew, can someone else jack the site or will you have first priority over it?



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Apr 12 2008, 1:54 pm The_z0r Post #4



Yeah, Dreamhost is a pretty good hosting service.



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Apr 12 2008, 9:48 pm Hercanic Post #5

STF mod creator, Modcrafters.com admin, CampaignCreations.org staff

Dear Sie Sayoka:
Well, there are plenty of other hosting sites, but I haven't used them and thus cannot give any information about them. I'd focus your searches on reviews.

http://web-hosting-review.toptenreviews.com/

As for renewing, you can set it up to auto-renew, but otherwise they'll automatically notify you via email when your lease is almost over. I'm not sure what Dreamhost does if you don't renew, but GoDaddy holds the domain name for about six months. Meaning, people who want it have to buy it from GoDaddy, and you won't be able to register it under a different service unless you pay for a transfer or wait out the six months and hope no one else buys the domain name in the meantime. I waited, and was successful (I hadn't gone public with my site, so no search engines had the domain name indexed).




Apr 12 2008, 9:53 pm Forsaken Archer Post #6



For domain registration, I recommend http://namecheap.com There are coupon codes, just google around for them.
I would highly recommend AGAINST using any domain registration from a host provider.

For a host, I would recommend checking potential host reputation here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/
I do believe http://www.asmallorange.com/ is good, but I'm not completely sure because it's been awhile since I used shared hosting.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 12 2008, 10:43 pm by isolatedpurity.



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Apr 12 2008, 10:03 pm Hercanic Post #7

STF mod creator, Modcrafters.com admin, CampaignCreations.org staff

Dear IsolatedPurity:
Any reason why you recommend against domain registration with a host provider? Always helps to know the 'whys'! =o)

Also, where is SEN hosted at?




Apr 12 2008, 10:45 pm Forsaken Archer Post #8



http://www.tektonic.net/
I've seen many horror stories about hosts holding the domain hostage. I believe it's common knowledge in the higher web circles to not use a host as a domain registrar.



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Apr 12 2008, 10:50 pm Hercanic Post #9

STF mod creator, Modcrafters.com admin, CampaignCreations.org staff

Dear IsolatedPurity:
Dang it... a little off topic, but could you set links to open in a new window on this forum? Most forums do that.




Apr 12 2008, 10:59 pm Symmetry Post #10

Dungeon Master

Quote from Hercanic
Dear IsolatedPurity:
Dang it... a little off topic, but could you set links to open in a new window on this forum? Most forums do that.

Mousewheel click ftw.



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Apr 12 2008, 11:04 pm Centreri Post #11

Relatively ancient and inactive

Well, my mouse doesn't support that. My mousewheel clicks change the wheel type. I can probably change that somehow, though :P.



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Apr 12 2008, 11:36 pm mikelat Post #12



Just to tell you don't buy your domain with godaddy either, theres been some horror stories there as well (read here for some). Don't necessarily go with who sells domains the cheapest either, as they're more likely to screw you over. Honestly namecheap for me is tried and true.

The domain is probably the most important part of your site... if a host treats you badly you can simply switch it to some other server (both SEN and maplantis have done this in the past). If you register your domain with your host or a crappy registar then getting out of a situation where a company is screwing you over isn't as easy.



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Apr 13 2008, 3:08 am Hercanic Post #13

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Dear Kow:
I don't use FireFox. Also, my mousewheel does not click. It goes right and left.




Apr 14 2008, 1:41 am Money Post #14



Quote from Hercanic
Dear Kow:
I don't use FireFox. Also, my mousewheel does not click. It goes right and left.

Ctrl+click

If your browser does not support multiple tabs you should get a better one.

My hosting is on my friends vps (he has like 2 vps and 1 physical server).

You could always use IIS / Apache on your computer and use that until you are willing to pay for hosting.



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Apr 14 2008, 2:22 am Hercanic Post #15

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Dear Money:
Yes, there are ways to open a new window/tab. However, it's the fact that most forums open new windows by default that causes the problem. You become used to such a luxury. Then, when you're on SEN, you simply click on a link out of habit, then close it out of habit, only to realize you just closed SEN by extention. Kinda annoying. It's not difficult code, so unless there is a reason IsolatedPurity doesn't want the feature, I see no reason not to implement it.




Apr 14 2008, 6:53 am AfterLifeLochie Post #16



Quote from Money
You could always use IIS / Apache on your computer and use that until you are willing to pay for hosting.

That's what I did. Apache 2.2.4 works well, you can register multiple domains and sub-domains.
Anyway, a good line text editor for <HTML> hard-coding is Scintilla Text Editor (you might use Word or something like that).



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Apr 14 2008, 10:46 am Sie_Sayoka Post #17



ok thx alot guys, i will check these out. I plan on buying one after i get a paypal ;)



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Apr 14 2008, 2:12 pm frazz Post #18



Quote from Hercanic
Dear Money:
Yes, there are ways to open a new window/tab. However, it's the fact that most forums open new windows by default that causes the problem. You become used to such a luxury. Then, when you're on SEN, you simply click on a link out of habit, then close it out of habit, only to realize you just closed SEN by extention. Kinda annoying. It's not difficult code, so unless there is a reason IsolatedPurity doesn't want the feature, I see no reason not to implement it.
Stop being lazy and either ctrl or wheel click.



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Apr 14 2008, 2:53 pm Forsaken Archer Post #19



Quote from Hercanic
Dear Money:
Yes, there are ways to open a new window/tab. However, it's the fact that most forums open new windows by default that causes the problem. You become used to such a luxury. Then, when you're on SEN, you simply click on a link out of habit, then close it out of habit, only to realize you just closed SEN by extention. Kinda annoying. It's not difficult code, so unless there is a reason IsolatedPurity doesn't want the feature, I see no reason not to implement it.
Href target attribute is not valid xhtml.
I do believe I changed it back though. It was annoying me too ^^. I will probably change it back though.
I googled for href target, and I found this discussion:
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Wayne: Exactly, the W3C realized that it's bad practice. With a regular link, a user has the choice to open it in the same window, a new tab, or a new window. With target="_blank" you are making that choice for them. Think of it like this: You are limiting the options of the user, and when is that ever a good thing? One of the easiest ways to tell whether someone is an amateur is if they still use that type of functionality in their websites. It's just rude to the user, and using JavaScript to get around the doctype is a hacky way of doing it.
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Because it is deprecated HTML.

So get in the habit of opening links in a new window.



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Apr 15 2008, 12:48 am Hercanic Post #20

STF mod creator, Modcrafters.com admin, CampaignCreations.org staff

Dear IsolatedPurity:
What is this forum coded in?

I find that comment to Wayne rather interesting. Yes, it does technically limit options, but the question of whether it's ever a good thing is a leading assertion. In this case, it's a good thing because it promotes convenience. Just because there are other options doesn't mean they're necessary or important to your site's demographic, and in some cases may even be detrimental (such as limiting the option of using HTML in forum posts).

For instance, this is a forum, where users often post many external links. How many people on this forum want a random user-posted link to navigate them away from browsing this forum? (Hey, another Rick Astley video!) As for new window/tab, I have my browser set up to open all new windows as tabs. With tabs, new windows are just clutter. So, in the case of new window or new tab, I still have that option under my control. Thus, the only option taken away is opening a link in the current window/tab. So the question becomes whether that option has any merit to your userbase.

I for one don't want to navigate away from the forum, and am curious if anyone has a good reason why they would want that.

Oh, one other point on users having a choice. The average person does not know about these choices or the ways to use them, and thus does not make use of them.

Hm, in trying to lookup whether there were any alternatives to using _blank, I found the very site your quote to Wayne comes from. Generalhavok made some good points, one of which supports my above comment on the average person:
Quote from ASSUMPTION">http://godbit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1273]ASSUMPTION 4: EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TO OPEN NEW WINDOWS THEMSELVES
You know this isn't true. If memory serves, a Godbit designer with a good reputation didn't know that the middle mouse button opens a new tab in Firefox...and I daresay that most Godbit users are more web-savvy than average. Most people still use IE. There are three ways to open a new window in IE: with the menu, the context menu, and by Shift-clicking. Most of the people I know who are NOT geeks have no idea about any of the three. A friend who's been online for years didn't know that you could right-click on a link until I explained it to him two weeks ago. Even the owner of Priority Training, a group who trains Microsoft employees on the use of Microsoft software, didn't know that Shift-click was an option until I told him. As we all know, web people assume that everyone knows how to use their computer, their browser, their mouse, and and the web. Study after study shows that this is not the case.

Quote from isolatedpurity
Href target attribute is not valid xhtml. ...

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Because it is deprecated HTML.

So get in the habit of opening links in a new window.

Generalhavok also addresses that assertion:
Quote from ASSUMPTION">http://godbit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1273]ASSUMPTION 2: _BLANK IS IMPROPER HTML
Of course this isn't correct. It's a valid part of XHTML 1.0 Transitional. I know that that's not the doctype of choice for some people, but it's still 100% valid. _blank may be deprecated in Strict, but it's not deprecated in Transitional. Assuming that _blank is bad because it's not part of XHTML Strict or 1.1 doesn't make sense. Your code should match your doctype...but, as far as I know, XHTML 1.0 Transitional isn't on the chopping block as a deprecated doctype. What's wrong with writing valid and semantic Transitional?


Dear frazz:
I am free to make suggestions for this site. Rather than making comments dictating how I should browse the internet, why don't you address my suggestion itself?

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