Hello. I've recently been putting much effort towards gaining support for Dennis Kucinich, so here goes. Yesterday the caucus in Iowa, as usual, led a horrible example for the primaries. Huckabee won for the right, and Obama for the left. But theres a problem here. People don't realize what they actually want. The majority of Americans are disappointed with the war, the economy, the violation of our freedoms, and much, much more. However, no one seems to realize that Kucinich (or Ron Paul for the right) would stop the tyranny of large corporations. They have been working closely with federal officials to make sure they're best interests are fulfilled. Dennis doesn't take money from those corporations in his campaign. Hilary does. Obama does. Everyone else does. No body realizes that nothing will change in the world of corporate accountability unless Kucinich gets his ass in office. Not to mention he would end the "war on drugs", get us out of the middle east in the most gracious way possible at this point, he will restore the world's faith in America as a leader and will deal with terrorist threats accordingly, he will solve the problem of medical care, he will press for progressive energy sources and fuels, and end the era of America's abusive federal government. So.. I know most of you understand the strain of the "war on drugs", the "war on terror", our lack of credibility in the world, the issue of medical insurance, the need for alternate fuel sources, and oppressiveness of our federal government. So then, you must be interested in a candidate who solves these problems. Kucinich will do just that. Please look him up, wikipedia says jack-shit about him. Surprisingly, his website gives one a good understanding of what he is for and against. Any one who calls themselves a liberal or a democrat should be interested in Kucinich. http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/ http://www.dennis4president.com/go/resources/issues-library/ Important stances: "Strength through Peace" - No more unnecessary war. "Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate for President with a plan for a Universal, Single-Payer, Not-for-Profit health care system." "Dennis will protect individual liberty and privacy and restore balance and fairness in America's electoral system." -This is an important one to me, for I have many problems with elections.

Hello.

I've recently been putting much effort towards gaining support for Dennis Kucinich, so here goes.

Yesterday the caucus in Iowa, as usual, led a horrible example for the primaries. Huckabee won for the right, and Obama for the left.
But theres a problem here. People don't realize what they actually want. The majority of Americans are disappointed with the war, the economy, the violation of our freedoms, and much, much more. However, no one seems to realize that Kucinich (or Ron Paul for the right) would stop the tyranny of large corporations. They have been working closely with federal officials to make sure they're best interests are fulfilled. Dennis doesn't take money from those corporations in his campaign. Hilary does. Obama does. Everyone else does. No body realizes that nothing will change in the world of corporate accountability unless Kucinich gets his ass in office.

Not to mention he would end the "war on drugs", get us out of the middle east in the most gracious way possible at this point, he will restore the world's faith in America as a leader and will deal with terrorist threats accordingly, he will solve the problem of medical care, he will press for progressive energy sources and fuels, and end the era of America's abusive federal government.

So.. I know most of you understand the strain of the "war on drugs", the "war on terror", our lack of credibility in the world, the issue of medical insurance, the need for alternate fuel sources, and oppressiveness of our federal government.
So then, you must be interested in a candidate who solves these problems. Kucinich will do just that. Please look him up, wikipedia says jack-shit about him.

Surprisingly, his website gives one a good understanding of what he is for and against. Any one who calls themselves a liberal or a democrat should be interested in Kucinich.
http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/
http://www.dennis4president.com/go/resources/issues-library/

Important stances:
"Strength through Peace" - No more unnecessary war.
"Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate for President with a plan for a Universal, Single-Payer, Not-for-Profit health care system."
"Dennis will protect individual liberty and privacy and restore balance and fairness in America's electoral system." -This is an important one to me, for I have many problems with elections.

My personal favorite was Joe Biden, he was the only one that seemed to have any actual plans. Everyone else has said in general, "I am prepared to move forward." (Direct quote from Hillary Clinton, but many other candidates said similar things.) He outlined what he was going to do, and everyone else attacked him on it. (Even though a lot of them agreed with him about most of the issues.) Now I haven't heard much of Dennis talk, so I can't really say for sure whether I like him or not, I guess I'll have to look it up. As it is though, I'd much prefer Barack to Hillary. (Unless somehow Bill became president in a freak accident.)

My personal favorite was Joe Biden, he was the only one that seemed to have any actual plans. Everyone else has said in general, "I am prepared to move forward." (Direct quote from Hillary Clinton, but many other candidates said similar things.) He outlined what he was going to do, and everyone else attacked him on it. (Even though a lot of them agreed with him about most of the issues.)

Now I haven't heard much of Dennis talk, so I can't really say for sure whether I like him or not, I guess I'll have to look it up.

As it is though, I'd much prefer Barack to Hillary. (Unless somehow Bill became president in a freak accident.)

Kucinich is the only democrat I think is capable of acting as a check against the power of congress. Ron Paul the only republican. I will vote for both of them.

Kucinich is the only democrat I think is capable of acting as a check against the power of congress. Ron Paul the only republican. I will vote for both of them.

The things I like about Barack Obama is his grassroots connections, his general stances (as vague as any politicians are, though he falls pretty generally along with my my political stances), and also there's a degree of "Wow, a black guy is a likely and viable candidate for the Presidency". A majority of Obama's funds have come from smaller individual donations, as well, as oppose to Hilary Clinton, who got most of her funds by a smaller number of very wealthy donators. I haven't been paying much attention to politics, (it's bad for my blood pressure while GW is still in) ,but most of the Republican Candidates are Charisma-free cadavers, and it doesn't look like anyone but Edwards Clinton or Obama are viable Democrat candidates. Kucinich may have the right idea, but unless he really starts gaining a lot of votes, he's not looking very viable.

The things I like about Barack Obama is his grassroots connections, his general stances (as vague as any politicians are, though he falls pretty generally along with my my political stances), and also there's a degree of "Wow, a black guy is a likely and viable candidate for the Presidency". A majority of Obama's funds have come from smaller individual donations, as well, as oppose to Hilary Clinton, who got most of her funds by a smaller number of very wealthy donators.

I haven't been paying much attention to politics, (it's bad for my blood pressure while GW is still in) ,but most of the Republican Candidates are Charisma-free cadavers, and it doesn't look like anyone but Edwards Clinton or Obama are viable Democrat candidates.

Kucinich may have the right idea, but unless he really starts gaining a lot of votes, he's not looking very viable.

I support kuccinich too. Nuff said.

I support kuccinich too. Nuff said.

[quote=The Great Yam]Kucinich may have the right idea, but unless he really starts gaining a lot of votes, he's not looking very viable.[/quote]That's the mindset that kept Nader from getting more votes. That is the mindset that will keep Kucinich from getting votes.

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Kucinich may have the right idea, but unless he really starts gaining a lot of votes, he's not looking very viable.

That's the mindset that kept Nader from getting more votes. That is the mindset that will keep Kucinich from getting votes.

I'd like to ask everybody this Why are Obama, Clinton, Edwards, McCain, Romney, or any of the other candidates I've forgotten to mention bad or not as good as the other candidates for America?

I'd like to ask everybody this


Why are Obama, Clinton, Edwards, McCain, Romney, or any of the other candidates I've forgotten to mention bad or not as good as the other candidates for America?

People don't like Clinton because they think she's a soulless bitch, or as my friend put it, "she's a woman." Obama doesn't have experience, people say, and while that's true, he is charismatic and seems to offer a bit of hope (probably because he's young and talks about it). Edwards... well, he's not black, and he's not a woman, so of course he's not going to get as much media attention. That's not to say he's a bad candidate. The only one up there I think is actually a bad candidate is Giuliani. Well, Fred Thompson doesn't seem to give a damn, so I don't think I could vote for someone who seemed so apathetic. As to why Giuliani is a bad candidate, I've seen lots of pomp and circumstance whenever he's around, but I get the feeling he's just using 9/11 as a stepping stone. Romney gets media attention because he's Mormon. McCain seems reasonable enough. Honestly, at this point I'm not looking for the perfect president - I'll be quite content with an above adequate one, and most of them seem like they'll fill that position. As to who will get my vote... time will tell.

People don't like Clinton because they think she's a soulless bitch, or as my friend put it, "she's a woman." Obama doesn't have experience, people say, and while that's true, he is charismatic and seems to offer a bit of hope (probably because he's young and talks about it). Edwards... well, he's not black, and he's not a woman, so of course he's not going to get as much media attention. That's not to say he's a bad candidate. The only one up there I think is actually a bad candidate is Giuliani. Well, Fred Thompson doesn't seem to give a damn, so I don't think I could vote for someone who seemed so apathetic. As to why Giuliani is a bad candidate, I've seen lots of pomp and circumstance whenever he's around, but I get the feeling he's just using 9/11 as a stepping stone. Romney gets media attention because he's Mormon. McCain seems reasonable enough. Honestly, at this point I'm not looking for the perfect president - I'll be quite content with an above adequate one, and most of them seem like they'll fill that position. As to who will get my vote... time will tell.

[quote=MillenniumArmy]I'd like to ask everybody this Why are Obama, Clinton, Edwards, McCain, Romney, or any of the other candidates I've forgotten to mention bad or not as good as the other candidates for America?[/quote]My long and complicated answer would include an explanation of the military-industrial complex and the permanent war economy. Then I would explain the trouble with corporations. Kucinich wishes to break the military-industrial complex economy and would make corporations accountable for their deeds. He also has good moral values. Other candidates support the military-industrial complex. Nothing will change unless corporations are accountable and we find an alternative fuel to the economy rather than a permanent war mobilization. Until this complex is addressed and dealt with, we will never stop entering wars or producing the majority of the planets weapons.

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I'd like to ask everybody this


Why are Obama, Clinton, Edwards, McCain, Romney, or any of the other candidates I've forgotten to mention bad or not as good as the other candidates for America?

My long and complicated answer would include an explanation of the military-industrial complex and the permanent war economy. Then I would explain the trouble with corporations. Kucinich wishes to break the military-industrial complex economy and would make corporations accountable for their deeds. He also has good moral values.

Other candidates support the military-industrial complex. Nothing will change unless corporations are accountable and we find an alternative fuel to the economy rather than a permanent war mobilization. Until this complex is addressed and dealt with, we will never stop entering wars or producing the majority of the planets weapons.

[quote=yenku] However, no one seems to realize that Kucinich (or Ron Paul for the right) would stop the tyranny of large corporations. [/quote] [QUOTE]Kucinich wishes to break the military-industrial complex economy and would make corporations accountable for their deeds.[/QUOTE] And ofcourse these humungous corporations will just let this all happen. You radically far leftists never look at the really really really big picture: Nothing's keeping them here, and if they all left we would collapse. We've all heard about the millions on subsidies major coporations like MicroSoft get just for existing, and how their teams of accountants+lawyers keep them from paying any taxes, and instead getting refunds. But would do you think would happen if they suddenly stopped recieving all these millions that are keeping them here, had to start paying taxes, and lost all their political control, and had to adhere to all new stricter guide lines. They would leave the U.S. taking all their jobs and billions with them. Gulliani knows this, as does the new President of France. France doesn't award large bussiness enough in their very fair economy, so not many are based there. Now France is actually starting to do what we already do, all to try and lure the coporations back to beter the economy. Gullinani is one of the few cannidates I've heard fess up to this unpopular fact that keeps us all afloat. If we did let people like kucinich come down on these coporations and scared them off, we would: Have our stock market crash Lose countless jobs Lose our place as the greatest super-power Or you can vote for ANYONE ELSE and not let another great depression happen. [QUOTE]Surprisingly, his website gives one a good understanding of what he is for and against.[/QUOTE] Now I know you're stupid...

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However, no one seems to realize that Kucinich (or Ron Paul for the right) would stop the tyranny of large corporations.

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Kucinich wishes to break the military-industrial complex economy and would make corporations accountable for their deeds.

And ofcourse these humungous corporations will just let this all happen. You radically far leftists never look at the really really really big picture: Nothing's keeping them here, and if they all left we would collapse.
We've all heard about the millions on subsidies major coporations like MicroSoft get just for existing, and how their teams of accountants+lawyers keep them from paying any taxes, and instead getting refunds. But would do you think would happen if they suddenly stopped recieving all these millions that are keeping them here, had to start paying taxes, and lost all their political control, and had to adhere to all new stricter guide lines. They would leave the U.S. taking all their jobs and billions with them.

Gulliani knows this, as does the new President of France. France doesn't award large bussiness enough in their very fair economy, so not many are based there. Now France is actually starting to do what we already do, all to try and lure the coporations back to beter the economy. Gullinani is one of the few cannidates I've heard fess up to this unpopular fact that keeps us all afloat.

If we did let people like kucinich come down on these coporations and scared them off, we would:
Have our stock market crash
Lose countless jobs
Lose our place as the greatest super-power


Or you can vote for ANYONE ELSE and not let another great depression happen.

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Surprisingly, his website gives one a good understanding of what he is for and against.

Now I know you're stupid...

[QUOTE=ClansAreForGays]If we did let people like kucinich come down on these coporations and scared them off, we would: Have our stock market crash Lose countless jobs Lose our place as the greatest super-power Or you can vote for ANYONE ELSE and not let another great depression happen.[/QUOTE]That isn't true at all. Do you remember anything from Teddy Roosevelt? He came down hard on corporations and put them right back in line. He made examples out of few of them and the rest then self-regulated when they saw it was in their best interests. Besides, do you even know how the great depression started? It sure as hell was not because anyone came down on corporations. Read up on your history bro. [QUOTE=ClansAreForGays]You radically far leftists never look at the really really really big picture: Nothing's keeping them here, and if they all left we would collapse.[/QUOTE]Why would you put down "leftists" to make your point? I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE GOTTEN RID OF. Read what I wrote, I never said to get rid of them. I simply want to break the military-industrial complex and end the streak of corporations doing whatever they want. They need to be held accountable and have certain restrictions and regulations raised on them. By the way, its a shame we became dependent on corporations in the first place. [QUOTE=ClansAreForGays]Now I know you're stupid...[/QUOTE]Why don't you keep your rude comments to yourself? It only shows me your ignorance, arrogance and insecurity when you say things like that. How come you don't respond to my comment on the military-industrial complex and the permanent war economy? Huh? Because it's so unintelligent, right? I certainly do not believe most politicians clearly express their stances on the issues in such a way. In fact, from watching Guiliani, all I know is that he is running on 9/11 and supposedly knows the difference between good and bad because of his family ties. Since I saw Kucinich's website, I was surprised at the in-depth explanations and relevance of everything.

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If we did let people like kucinich come down on these coporations and scared them off, we would:
Have our stock market crash
Lose countless jobs
Lose our place as the greatest super-power

Or you can vote for ANYONE ELSE and not let another great depression happen.

That isn't true at all. Do you remember anything from Teddy Roosevelt? He came down hard on corporations and put them right back in line. He made examples out of few of them and the rest then self-regulated when they saw it was in their best interests.
Besides, do you even know how the great depression started? It sure as hell was not because anyone came down on corporations. Read up on your history bro.

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You radically far leftists never look at the really really really big picture: Nothing's keeping them here, and if they all left we would collapse.

Why would you put down "leftists" to make your point? I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE GOTTEN RID OF. Read what I wrote, I never said to get rid of them. I simply want to break the military-industrial complex and end the streak of corporations doing whatever they want. They need to be held accountable and have certain restrictions and regulations raised on them.
By the way, its a shame we became dependent on corporations in the first place.

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Now I know you're stupid...

Why don't you keep your rude comments to yourself? It only shows me your ignorance, arrogance and insecurity when you say things like that. How come you don't respond to my comment on the military-industrial complex and the permanent war economy? Huh? Because it's so unintelligent, right?

I certainly do not believe most politicians clearly express their stances on the issues in such a way. In fact, from watching Guiliani, all I know is that he is running on 9/11 and supposedly knows the difference between good and bad because of his family ties. Since I saw Kucinich's website, I was surprised at the in-depth explanations and relevance of everything.

This guy is a true socialist, <3 I would vote for him if I could. Or maybe Obama. Obama is honest and good and actually has a chance of winning. Hillary is a bitch. Opinion less, willess, useless. 100% spin. Edwards want's leave iraq behind in chaos and move to the neightbour country iran for another pointless war. Paul is a libertarian and is thus by definition, useless. basicly he will remove all federal restrictions on everything. might aswell dissolve the union. All other republican candidats are facists, The over class should be able to make money on everyone and everything for any price.

This guy is a true socialist, <3
I would vote for him if I could. Or maybe Obama. Obama is honest and good and actually has a chance of winning.

Hillary is a bitch. Opinion less, willess, useless. 100% spin.

Edwards want's leave iraq behind in chaos and move to the neightbour country iran for another pointless war.

Paul is a libertarian and is thus by definition, useless. basicly he will remove all federal restrictions on everything. might aswell dissolve the union.

All other republican candidats are facists, The over class should be able to make money on everyone and everything for any price.

I'll be voting Kucinich in the California Primary.

I'll be voting Kucinich in the California Primary.

[quote=WoAHorde]I'll be voting Kucinich in the California Primary.[/quote]By the time PA votes, I'm sure that Kucinich won't have a chance, but if it's not obvious that Obama will win over Hilary, I may not vote for Kucinich, I'll go for Obama to keep Hilary out. [QUOTE=ihjel]Hillary is a bitch. Opinion less, willess, useless. 100% spin.[/QUOTE]She is one of the closest friends of the big corporations involved with the military-industrial complex. Look where a lot of her money has ultimately come from.. Her and most of the other republicans too.

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I'll be voting Kucinich in the California Primary.

By the time PA votes, I'm sure that Kucinich won't have a chance, but if it's not obvious that Obama will win over Hilary, I may not vote for Kucinich, I'll go for Obama to keep Hilary out.

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Hillary is a bitch. Opinion less, willess, useless. 100% spin.

She is one of the closest friends of the big corporations involved with the military-industrial complex. Look where a lot of her money has ultimately come from.. Her and most of the other republicans too.

[quote=yenku]That's the mindset that kept Nader from getting more votes. That is the mindset that will keep Kucinich from getting votes.[/quote] [quote=yenku]By the time PA votes, I'm sure that Kucinich won't have a chance, but if it's not obvious that Obama will win over Hilary, I may not vote for Kucinich, I'll go for Obama to keep Hilary out.[/quote] Changing positions, are we now?

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That's the mindset that kept Nader from getting more votes. That is the mindset that will keep Kucinich from getting votes.

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By the time PA votes, I'm sure that Kucinich won't have a chance, but if it's not obvious that Obama will win over Hilary, I may not vote for Kucinich, I'll go for Obama to keep Hilary out.

Changing positions, are we now?

Who knows at this point. For me, it is a question of whether I should be an idealist or a realist. Ideally, Kucinich should be president. He is the one who can set America right in this time. Realistically, I'm quite sure the American public isn't smart enough to understand that and then I'll be stuck with Hilary instead of Obama as our democratic candidate. I think I am going to continue publicly supporting Kucinich, but if we really do find ourselves in a 2000 position (funny how similar the situations are, yet this is for the democratic primaries), I just may have to vote Obama.

Who knows at this point.

For me, it is a question of whether I should be an idealist or a realist. Ideally, Kucinich should be president. He is the one who can set America right in this time. Realistically, I'm quite sure the American public isn't smart enough to understand that and then I'll be stuck with Hilary instead of Obama as our democratic candidate.

I think I am going to continue publicly supporting Kucinich, but if we really do find ourselves in a 2000 position (funny how similar the situations are, yet this is for the democratic primaries), I just may have to vote Obama.

Wasn't Ralph Nader the one that forged such names as "Mickey Mouse" on that one petition that needs like 50,000 signatures to be considered legitimate?

Wasn't Ralph Nader the one that forged such names as "Mickey Mouse" on that one petition that needs like 50,000 signatures to be considered legitimate?

He's the most patriotic man I know. His life is truly dedicated to making things right in America.

He's the most patriotic man I know. His life is truly dedicated to making things right in America.

Looks to me like he'd just take a giant shit on the constitution. But that's nothing new. The only candidate who looks like a true constitutionalist to me is Paul and Thompson.

Looks to me like he'd just take a giant shit on the constitution. But that's nothing new. The only candidate who looks like a true constitutionalist to me is Paul and Thompson.

I don't understand why he feels the way he does about guns, but other than that, constitutionally he isn't in disagreement. Besides, the Constitution was made with expectations of changing it.

I don't understand why he feels the way he does about guns, but other than that, constitutionally he isn't in disagreement. Besides, the Constitution was made with expectations of changing it.