Devilesk gets it. I don't bother you, don't bother me. Unlike some, he isn't going on and on about how Christianity is evil and God is dead and Christians are murders and on and on and on.

I'm coming into this debate a bit late, however now that it has become a religion in schools thread I must direct this back towards Bush.

My views towards Bush are of filled with anger of all sorts. As someone pointed out all of the things Bush has done to degrade the United States (Several Pages ago). My concern is with his Directive 51 which happens to be frighteningly close to Hitlers own Directive 51.

Note that this was released May 9, 2007: Directive 51

Basically what this does is if any catastrophic event happens any president from this point on can initiate this directive. By initiating this the executive branch gains control of all 3 branches and our democratic government becomes a Dictatorship where the president becomes the dictator. Bush himself wrote and legalized this directive.

Now what he defines as a catastrophic event is " "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions"

Which given the opportunity if say something like Katrina happened again, this could be initiated.

I read most of the posts in this topic so I am not sure if someone already brought this up, but I think it is worth discussing.

And one last thing, a quote from Bush himself: Bush Quotes
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

I don't know about anything on a country level, but a problem solving class or critical thinking would be excellent for helping students to understand what our country and the world's problems are and some ways that they can be rectified.


Vhaeraun. I didn't have time to read all of Directive 51 but from what I read it seems its just for emergencies to gain control when there is no time to assess the situation. This country is not a dictatorship.
And the last link is to a political humor site. Was that really a good idea posting that?
The quote was just a joke. Why can't the president make a joke he's just trying to show that he's relaxed and not stressed out or anything. That was a big mistake posting that quote.

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Doesn't seem too scary now, does it?

Last time I'm performing this courtesy. Use multi-quote from now on...

~Doodan

I don't get what's so scary about that? Honestly it would be, but the public and congress, and prolly Bush him self, would never let that happen.

So, I put the "Moo" in there because frankly: I'm not going to go through that long ass list of your retorts...


I'm going to retort against your claims that he protected us during 9/11.



Alright. So you think he protected us during 9/11?

How?


By sitting in a classroom full of children for ten-plus more minutes after being told of the attacks?

By hiding away in underground bunkers, not even giving any orders to the people he should?

By ignoring the problem and letting it happen?


I choose the latter. There are WAY TOO MANY INCONSISTANCIES with 9/11, to make me think it was a "terrorist attack"


Was Perl Harbor really a suprise?


No, it wasn't. It was a way for the president to get us into a war with Japan.

How do I know this?

Because there is PROOF that we knew about the attacks, yet we did NOTHING about it.





Just like we did with 9/11.

Oh wait, maybe we did it ourselves....


I honestly do think we did.



Why in god's name would terrorists attack a building that just holds debt for massive coorporations?

And a building that is exempt from New York City Building Codes?



Mmmmm, I can taste the inconsistancies...


Oh, can't forget about how Dick Cheyney is/was CEO of Haliburton, one of the largest OIL CORPORATIONS IN THE WORLD.. And can't forget about how the Bush family is only in power because of, OH NO!



Oil.







Our two highest people in command have ties with OIL.

What is the only thing Iraq has had since THE FIRST BUSH that we want?


Oil.




We claim we went in for WMD, but have we found any?


No.



Then why are we still there?


Oh, that's right, good ol' Furhur Bush said it himself: "We're going to stay in Iraq to help protect Iraq Oil Reserves from the terrorists"



If terrorists wanted these Oil Reserves, they would already have them.








Invaded Iraq because Suddam was consulting with terrorists, wait no, we went in there for Weapons of Mass Destruction, wait, since we didn't find any, we're going to protect the Oil Reserves from the "terrorists", that's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Well shit. Since we invaded a sovereign nation and annexed Suddam's government with our Puppet Democracy (Which WE even drafted and wrote their constitution), wouldn't WE be the TERRORISTS and INFIDELS?




I really hate how stupid my fellow Americans are.


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But research about the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, The Illuminatie (I spelled it wrong, wtf ever), The New World Order, Skulls and Bones, and even check out a book that was written in the 70s: "None Dare Call It Conspiracy"


The book talks about shit that's ALREADY happened already, or IS happening.



And everyone thinks I'm crazy.....


Btw: Both Bush's and Cheyney were in the Skulls And Bones....


CEOs and Vice CEOs in Secret Societies?








And you retards voted for him...

Take your tin foil hat off. Clinton had more to do with 9/11 than Bush ever will.

And if we were in Iraq for oil, why the heck are our gas prices still so high?

Because we did not go into iraq for the oil supplies, but for the control thereof. The oil companies want oil to be expensive, just not so expensive that people invest in alternate sources of energy.

Quit sucking the tit of the mother sheep and realise Bush SR. had EVERYTHING to do with Iraq.

Kk, thx.


Boom.

Because the economy is going down the drain. Also, the insurgency has seriously messed with Iraq's oil-producing capabilities, not to mention the fact that OPEC hates the US and is exerting upwards pressure on oil prices.

If one of the reasons for going to war in Iraq was oil, then the leadership of the US are even more stupid than they seem.

Ah ignorance is bliss. You really think congress would have allowed that then?



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Oil company's have some of the lowest profit margins of any company in the world. Something around 10%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702399.html

In the commodity market(when you cannot charge a premium for brand name), 10% is NOT piddling, 5% is normal, even wal-mart is under 4%.

Demand for gasoline is not very elastic, they can artificially inflate prices even with small cuts in production.

A better measure would be annual return on investment, because profit margins mean nothing without taking into account capital.

A 10% profit margin in such a high revenue industry is a hell of a lot of profit. An advertising company gets a contract from a business to make adverts and gets a 60% profit margin. That's a lot, right? Not really - it's just one contract so they're not making a huge amount of profit in total, and it will take a lot of time and work to complete that contract.

Then you have an oil company which is selling thousands of barrels of oil per day. A barrel of oil is currently $75 - so that's $7.50 per barrel. I think you can see that 10% makes oil a highly profitable industry.

Do you listen to yourself? So you're saying we're stealing oil and Bush has this conspiracy plan that he ordered the destruction of the WTC to go to war to steal oil and he's profiting from it with the VP from the Haliburton Corporation. I don't take your post seriously because the ideal of it is extremely far fetched and because you put so many spaces like its a movie on YouTube or something... History Channel proved this incorrect with their 9/11 Conspiracies show thats on from time to time I suggest you rent it.


We didn't steal any oil from Iraq. That kind of drilling equipment would be noticed. Its really starting to agitate me that people think we steal oil from Middle Eastern nations, especially when people from foreign countries say that.

No, but we did do a pretty damn good job at preventing them from exporting oil, which was probably the objective all along.

And did you go and research ANY of the things I listed off here:
More then likely, not.


Because you're too close-minded and think that I'm fabricating everything.

Research them all, and you'll see how they tie into everything since the late 1800's.


Too many inconsistancies give me reason to look into them, and I've researched everything and have came up with my conclusions. I'm sorry you're not open-minded enough to do the same

Oh, and if you research the Skull and Bones, you'll notice how both Bush's of the Bush family, and Cheyney were in it.


And you'll also learn that the Skull and Bones are linked up with a bunch of nasty events.



And if you knew anything about the Bush familia, you'd know that Bush Grandpa (Bush SR's father) struck it rich in Texas because of Oil.



Hmm.. Both Bush's declared war on Iraq when they were in the presidency.. Iraq has Oil... The Bush familia is rich because of Oil... Hmm......



But I'm just a "conspiracy theorist" and I'm fabricating everything

Your whole argument can only be accounted up to a moderate case of magical thinking.
There's no proof of any of this, they are just vague connections which cannot be used as defense in an argument.
Sure it's possible, but until it's proven you can't use it as if it's valid.