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Jungle Strike (Desert Strike)
Jun 3 2010, 9:01 am
By: Devourer  

Jun 3 2010, 9:01 am Devourer Post #1


So, in the past few days I worked on my Jungle Strike, which generally is Desert Strike for SC2.
It's 100% working so far and the balance seems to be good, too (e.g. I had to reduce life time of broodlings and decrease void ray damage).
this is going to be a showcase thread probably today, we'll see.

However, screens:

Interface (don't mind the empty "vs" slot, this is because I tested it local, in multiplayer it works)

Probe Rush WTF

Also, NudeRaider has no objection that I'm making this map.
Important: This "civilian to temple = boom" is the guardian shield button in this map, you can find it in the main nexus on the lane.


Jungle Strike V0.0.01 Pre-Alpha.SC2Map
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Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Jun 7 2010, 8:41 pm by Devourer.

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Jun 3 2010, 10:29 am Gigins Post #2


Jun 3 2010, 10:38 am Aristocrat Post #3

How very relevant and mind-boggling!

On topic, the idea of cloning Desert Strike is novel but there is one thing to stick to: all units should have their default stats. While that might seem stupid and a deliberate waste of Galaxy's capabilities, Desert Strike is about pitting standard melee units together in a mass and not so much a bunch of modified units with completely alien stats ;o.

Which version is it based off of? Nude's/Queen's/vNight or vGod/vPro/vEnhanced/other vGAYs? Seems like the former will be the case. I look forward to playing this!


Jun 3 2010, 11:27 am Devourer Post #4


Nude's :)
also, those changes had to be done, they would be imba if you have more than 5-10. We tested that very often.

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Jun 3 2010, 11:42 am Lanthanide Post #5

Yeah, default, or as close to default, is best. Tweak balance by building cost and unit spawn quantity. If necessary you could put limits on the buildings, or introduce some other limit like supply.

DS Night is different of course because it aims to bring in SC2-like units and has interesting heroes. But I definitely see room for 3 or 4 different flavours of DS in SC2: regular units, SC1 units, crazy units (like stone zealots and other special units) and a blend of enhanced units.

There's also much greater scope for different types of specials - messing with the respawn timer, shrinking the size of enemy units, weakening them, slowing them etc.

Also I would recommend changing your text from "Spawns four Marines" to "Spawns 4 Marines". A different text colour for the number/unit would improve readability further.


Jun 3 2010, 12:32 pm 13Stallion Post #6

Nice job, it seems we are both making a desert strike map :D Not to mention someone already released a version a few days ago. A few problems ive seen with his is the lag that always occurs late-game, because SC2 doesn't handle mass units very well. Broodlords tend to lag the game up with their attack(worst lag ever) and Banshee projectiles have caused problems as well sometimes. Hopefully you can find a workarround, maybe a 200-food limit of units to spawn per player?

-Also I hope you know, your template screams worker rush. If you need any help with the AI, let me know because ive got the AI working nicely in my map, sentries will even use FF to strategically split and wall off roach/ling armies :D


Jun 4 2010, 11:56 am Devourer Post #7


Released, have fun

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Jun 4 2010, 7:18 pm Leon-037 Post #8

Uhh why is this in the Starcraft I Map Showcase? O.o


Jun 4 2010, 9:56 pm Lanthanide Post #9

Yeah, it didn't used to be.


Jun 6 2010, 5:43 pm Devourer Post #10


advertising SEN with this, #3 map on europe^^
260-450 games / hour

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Jun 6 2010, 8:55 pm Tempz Post #11

lol most popular map on starcraft 2 is desert strike type thing


Jun 7 2010, 8:16 pm Merkury Post #12

Hi there.
I've testing this map for some time and I have some suggestions.

First of all - price of Reapers building is just too low. For Protoss it's impossible to fight equally with Terran.
Also Pylon price - thanks to requirement of this building, at the beginning Protoss can only create 3 Zealots/2 Sentries while Terran can get 4 Marines + 2 Reapers.
Maybe you can decrease Pylon price or just remove requirement of field?

And one more thing - maybe you can make production building, excluding towers, indestructible? When I was playing Zerg, my Broodlord were destroying opponent base while still flying over the road. It got him kinda pissed :P



Jun 7 2010, 8:37 pm Devourer Post #13


Thanks for reply:
attacking: should be so, won't change:
protoss: I'll think about it :)
reapers: err... they should be cheap as they are only good in early game. However, I'll test around.

Not gonna make em indestructible ;D maybe an ingame option at the beginning (game settings), though.

Overall: when beta phase 2 starts I'll have a new version done. Simply watch out for "Jungle Strike 2" once the beta is back :)

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Jun 8 2010, 2:11 am Aristocrat Post #14

Quote from Devourer
Not gonna make em indestructible ;D maybe an ingame option at the beginning (game settings), though.

Just put in the "ACHTUNG: DO NAWT LIEK BU1LD CLOSE TO ZE MIDDLE OF ZE MAP U NUB" message that was in Desert Strike Ultima Platinum ;o.


Jun 8 2010, 8:01 am Marine Post #15

Anyone ever play "Castle Fight" on Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne?

Forget Desert Strike, whoever made this Nexus Wars completely remade Castle Fight lol


Jun 8 2010, 10:33 am Aristocrat Post #16

Quote from Marine
whoever made this Nexus WarsDesert Strike completely remade Castle Fight lol



Jun 13 2010, 5:06 pm Devourer Post #17


Just saying what I'm doing:
fixed bugs, added limit of workers, added limit of gas things, added a new income building which gives +3 instead of +2 for each refinery (or other), made the interface better, added a -help command, fixd loading screen.... and more

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Jul 25 2010, 10:46 pm theleo_ua Post #18

Quote from Devourer
Desert Strike for SC2


But I have a russian version of SC2, so building names and unit descriptions is the same that in melee (on my PC). Also if I move mouse to the "Barracks" icon for example - there are no redefined detailed description like in WC3 Castle Fight.

Is it possible to fix this?

Quote from Tempz
lol most popular map on starcraft 2 is desert strike type thing

In SC1 too

Quote from Marine
Anyone ever play "Castle Fight" on Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne?

If I didnt saw WC3FT Castle Fight in 2008 - maybe there would not be any Desert Strike today.

I really - really interesting what original WC3 Castle Fight creators will make in SC2.

Quote from Marine
Forget Desert Strike, whoever made this Nexus Wars completely remade Castle Fight lol


Quote from Devourer
added a -help command

Dont work on my russian version too, but I hope it will work in release

Post has been edited 6 time(s), last time on Jul 25 2010, 11:10 pm by theleo_ua.


Jul 25 2010, 11:37 pm Devourer Post #19


prolly cuz I did not update this topic as I want to wait till the game is released to find and fix bugs first.

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Jul 26 2010, 10:44 am Lanthanide Post #20

I'll be sure to rate it 1 for "worst rip off of a good map."


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