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[2016-11-10. : 11:02 pm]  Roy -- Yeah, well, a lot of Bernie supporters weren't strictly Democrats, so that's another problem.  [2016-11-10. : 11:02 pm]  Moose -- And surprised that all the Democrats who registered to vote in closed primaries for Bernie suddenly weren't voting Democrat, what a shocker X^D[2016-11-10. : 11:01 pm] Roy -- Instead, people didn't want to vote for the face of establishment and corruption, so they didn't go to the polls. Trump's supporters were faced with an opposite prospect.[2016-11-10. : 11:00 pm] Roy -- Yeah, the dirt throwing didn't affect much. But Clinton still lost, because she wasn't the voice of the people. She was seated by the DNC, who hoped people would just vote for the person with the "(D)" next to their name.[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm]  Lanthanide -- the republicans have been throwing dirt at clinton for decades, and even the email scandal wasn't really the knockout they needed it to be[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm] Roy -- The head-to-head polls were against each of the GOP candidates. It was consistent.[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm] Lanthanide -- and similarly, because Bernie was such a left-fielder and unknown, it's unclear how he would have gone in the presidential race - no one knew what dirt there was to dig up on him[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Roy -- She wasn't. The low voter turnout shows that. Compare her numbers to Obama's.[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- the head to head polls between Sanders and Trump aren't worth a lot, really, since at the time there wasn't certainty that Trump would be the nominee[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- I'm just refuting Roy's point that Clinton wasn't the voice of the people, despite her winning the popular vote over Bernie[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- the evidence suggests that the DNC did things that they probably shouldn't have[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Roy -- True, but you can easily look at head-to-head polls to see that Sanders was the smarter choice there, too.[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Lanthanide -- and the policies/personality/charisma/platform aren't the only important factors in winning the general election, either[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Roy -- It was that her name was "Clinton". And maybe female voters were swayed by her being a woman.[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Moose -- You don't think the DNC pulled any shenanigans in favor of Clinton during the primaries?[2016-11-10. : 10:55 pm] Roy -- There's a combination of factors, but Clinton had far more name recognition, and she used that to her full advantage to get ahead. It wasn't her policies/personality/charisma/platform/etc. that had her lead in the primaries.[2016-11-10. : 10:55 pm] Lanthanide -- and I don't even live in your country and I'm not directly affected by your president[2016-11-10. : 10:54 pm] Moose -- But really, though, it's Yale. They ain't canceling shit if the Democrat wins, let's be real. X^D[2016-11-10. : 10:53 pm] Lanthanide -- except Sanders won New Hampshire and was only narrowly beaten by Clinton in Iowa[2016-11-10. : 10:51 pm] Roy -- Hillary had a strong lead because nobody knew who else was running for the Democratic nomination until things were well underway. That's really all it was.[2016-11-10. : 10:51 pm] Lanthanide -- Trump wasn't a republican either, but obviously he had name recognition[2016-11-10. : 10:51 pm] Lanthanide -- Bernie wasn't even a democrat until 3 weeks before he threw his hat into the ring[2016-11-10. : 10:50 pm] Roy -- Hillary won because she established her name before people knew who Bernie was. He gained a lot more traction in the second half of the primaries, and had they been polled again, it would have been a different result. Follow-up polls confirmed this.[2016-11-10. : 10:49 pm] Lanthanide -- RoyRoy shouted: They should have canceled exams when the DNC fucked over the voice of the people by strategically ruining Bernie Sanders' campaign for a candidate nobody wanted. Hillary won the popular vote in the primary, so she was the voice of the people[2016-11-10. : 10:48 pm] Lanthanide -- and something like 45% of people didn't even vote (a further 7% couldn't vote)[2016-11-10. : 10:48 pm] Lanthanide -- anyway, if Trump had 1% lower vote, and Clinton 1% higher, she would have won with about 305 EC votes[2016-11-10. : 10:48 pm] lil-Inferno -- "OOP is fucking retarded. I will bomb the shit out of anyone who uses OOP." -Donald J. Trump[2016-11-10. : 10:48 pm] Roy -- They should have canceled exams when the DNC fucked over the voice of the people by strategically ruining Bernie Sanders' campaign for a candidate nobody wanted.[2016-11-10. : 10:46 pm] Lanthanide -- the protests that are happening now in the US, aren't that different than what happened in 2008[2016-11-10. : 10:46 pm] Lanthanide -- if you put this on the level of grief as a pet dying, which I don't think is an unfair comparison, then is it appropriate to give compassionate consideration for exams that are close to the election date[2016-11-10. : 10:44 pm] Lanthanide -- RoyRoy shouted: Lanthanide He should call it "Don't ask, don't tell". it's the defence of family values act or some-such bullshit[2016-11-10. : 10:43 pm] Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Btu feeling worse about their pet dying versus their parents? ah, yeah, I never said that, nor even implied it[2016-11-10. : 10:43 pm] CecilSunkure -- Like Moose pointed out the idea of a spectrum, which implies judgement calls on whether or not to issue "compassion"[2016-11-10. : 10:43 pm] Roy -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: you're still allowed to be gay, but if you talk about it, that's bad He should call it "Don't ask, don't tell".[2016-11-10. : 10:43 pm] Moose -- Like, there's probably some outliers who do, but I don't think that's the majority.[2016-11-10. : 10:43 pm] CecilSunkure -- I don't think emotional responses to Trump getting elected deserve compassion, for the majority of cases, including the Yale thing[2016-11-10. : 10:43 pm] Lanthanide -- and probably that's not really a bad analogy for this type of grief[2016-11-10. : 10:42 pm] Lanthanide -- I've heard of people getting compassionate consideration for when a pet dies[2016-11-10. : 10:42 pm] Lanthanide -- for most, it won't be that bad, but it's still enough to interfere with study and exams[2016-11-10. : 10:42 pm] Moose -- "is an emotional loss equivalent to losing a parent" like, this part[2016-11-10. : 10:41 pm] Moose -- Conditional on feeling as bad as a parent spouse dying, not on feeling anything.[2016-11-10. : 10:41 pm] Moose -- Like, this a spectrum: shouldn't feel shit ----------- me ---------- literally worst thing ever[2016-11-10. : 10:41 pm] Moose -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: but that doesn't mean their feeling aren't gennuine, or that there's something wrong with them as human beings I'm not saying their feelings aren't genuine.[2016-11-10. : 10:40 pm] Moose -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: well you're disagreeing with psychology of humans, in that case Like Holmes and Rahe?[2016-11-10. : 10:39 pm] Lanthanide -- but that doesn't mean their feeling aren't gennuine, or that there's something wrong with them as human beings[2016-11-10. : 10:39 pm] CecilSunkure -- I don't think his comments are racist or bigoted, and think it's silly to say they are[2016-11-10. : 10:39 pm] Lanthanide -- are people over-reacting, will Trump be as bad as the fear? probably, and probably not |
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