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M8 changes
this leads me to believe you didn't fix it in the best way, because it always happens every time. It can be fixed by centering location 058 over it just before the creat/kill trigger.
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- Fixed a bug that may have resulted in hallucinated obs sticking around after L1, L3, or L4.
- Fixed a bug that may have resulted in hallucinated obs sticking around after L1, L3, or L4.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
I know lots TSers don't look around SEN and just check this 1 topic so - http://www.staredit.net/topic/8711/ The next one can be for M8 if it ever gets done.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
I just read through 20 pages of this topic and I think the vast majority of people agree on 3/4 of the recent changes that have been suggested. It's a shame this map pretty much was abandoned. =o Whatever, I'll play a few games and the tournament... hopefully the Marine won't be too broken.
Few questions on the version, CAFG:
- Medic FH's allies?
- Warrior 6000 HP?
- Assim income rate?
- Nuke+Dropship details (cost, prebuildable nuke?)
That's about all that's really important. I don't know if the Marine will work... mine changes seem interesting and might help to take out some of his early-game power that made him have such an easy mid-game.
Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 4 2009, 9:30 am by FaZ-.
Few questions on the version, CAFG:
- Medic FH's allies?
- Warrior 6000 HP?
- Assim income rate?
- Nuke+Dropship details (cost, prebuildable nuke?)
That's about all that's really important. I don't know if the Marine will work... mine changes seem interesting and might help to take out some of his early-game power that made him have such an easy mid-game.
Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 4 2009, 9:30 am by FaZ-.
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*** TEMPLE SIEGE 1.4M8 ***
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:: GENERAL
- Simplified URL of change list to http://www.staredit.net/ts-changes/
- Corrected Player 4's elimination message trigger.
- Made level-up triggers more efficent, removing 255 lines of triggers.
- Death cancels out pre-built spells.
- Increased HP of Zealots from 200 to 250, damage from 40 to 48.
- Decreased cost of Nexus from 80 to 60 minerals, decreased build time.
- Changed stats of Cannons from 2000 HP, 400 shields, 10 armor to 3000 HP, 100 shields, 5 armor.
- Shields on cannons are maintained at level determined by the spawn level.
>> Broodlings = 0, Zerglings = 3, Marines = 10, Zealots and Hydras = 20
- Destroying a Warp Gate now splits the XP for units created there evenly among your team.
- Added triggers to hopefully improve accuracy and hit detection of spells using it.
:: ARCHER
- L2 is now Summon Archer Ally, max of 5.
- L3 is now Rapid Shot, a Guardian-chaingun type spell. Seven shots at 35 + 4 damage.
- Reduced HP on Companions from 350 to 310.
- Reduced upgrade cost of Grooved Spines (Hydralisk Range) from 60 to 45 minerals.
:: ASSASSIN
- Fixed a bug that may have resulted in hallucinated obs sticking around after L1, L3, or L4.
:: ASSAULT
- L3 is now Carpet Bomber. It also actually stuns both teams now.
- L4 is OMG SURPRISE! :D
:: LIGHT MAGE
- L2 now places Reavers at the four corners of LM's position (or the closest approximation) for a less bottom-biased spread.
:: MEDIC
- L4 now heals affected heroes to HP + 5 Levels, not 100%. Everything else is the same, insofar as non-hero units are still fully healed, energies are set to 100%, etc.
:: MUTANT
- P12 Torrasque is removed if player leaves during L4.
:: SPECIAL OPS
- Anti-minecapping triggers no longer activate if enemies are within blocking range.
- L4 is now Summon Nuclear Ghost.
- Attack changed from 15 + 2 to 7 + 3.
- HP decreased from 4200 to 4000.
- Sniper Rifle damage increased from 85 + 9 to 85 + 15.
- Fixed problem with casting L1 or L2 during Sniper Rifle. (now holds until the spell is done)
:: SUMMONER
- Trigger reorganization and consolidation.
- L2 is now a new spell that craetes a Queen above the Summoner just long enough for it to cast Ensnare.
:: WARRIOR
- Shields decreased from 150 to 120. L1 still gives 10, L4 gives full. Fixed the string to indicate this.
- Removed 18 lines of superfluous triggers.
:: VOLT
- P12 Archon is removed if player leaves during L4.
- Resized location for L1 hit detection from .5x.5 to 1x1.
- L3 now kills the same spawns for both teams.
- Fixed some pathing issues with outposts and Volt's L1.
- Removed some 50+ lines of superfluous triggers.
**** ****** ***** ***** ****
*** TEMPLE SIEGE 1.4M8 ***
**** ****** ***** ***** ****
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:: GENERAL
- Simplified URL of change list to http://www.staredit.net/ts-changes/
- Corrected Player 4's elimination message trigger.
- Made level-up triggers more efficent, removing 255 lines of triggers.
- Death cancels out pre-built spells.
- Increased HP of Zealots from 200 to 250, damage from 40 to 48.
- Decreased cost of Nexus from 80 to 60 minerals, decreased build time.
- Changed stats of Cannons from 2000 HP, 400 shields, 10 armor to 3000 HP, 100 shields, 5 armor.
- Shields on cannons are maintained at level determined by the spawn level.
>> Broodlings = 0, Zerglings = 3, Marines = 10, Zealots and Hydras = 20
- Destroying a Warp Gate now splits the XP for units created there evenly among your team.
- Added triggers to hopefully improve accuracy and hit detection of spells using it.
:: ARCHER
- L2 is now Summon Archer Ally, max of 5.
- L3 is now Rapid Shot, a Guardian-chaingun type spell. Seven shots at 35 + 4 damage.
- Reduced HP on Companions from 350 to 310.
- Reduced upgrade cost of Grooved Spines (Hydralisk Range) from 60 to 45 minerals.
:: ASSASSIN
- Fixed a bug that may have resulted in hallucinated obs sticking around after L1, L3, or L4.
:: ASSAULT
- L3 is now Carpet Bomber. It also actually stuns both teams now.
- L4 is OMG SURPRISE! :D
:: LIGHT MAGE
- L2 now places Reavers at the four corners of LM's position (or the closest approximation) for a less bottom-biased spread.
:: MEDIC
- L4 now heals affected heroes to HP + 5 Levels, not 100%. Everything else is the same, insofar as non-hero units are still fully healed, energies are set to 100%, etc.
:: MUTANT
- P12 Torrasque is removed if player leaves during L4.
:: SPECIAL OPS
- Anti-minecapping triggers no longer activate if enemies are within blocking range.
- L4 is now Summon Nuclear Ghost.
- Attack changed from 15 + 2 to 7 + 3.
- HP decreased from 4200 to 4000.
- Sniper Rifle damage increased from 85 + 9 to 85 + 15.
- Fixed problem with casting L1 or L2 during Sniper Rifle. (now holds until the spell is done)
:: SUMMONER
- Trigger reorganization and consolidation.
- L2 is now a new spell that craetes a Queen above the Summoner just long enough for it to cast Ensnare.
:: WARRIOR
- Shields decreased from 150 to 120. L1 still gives 10, L4 gives full. Fixed the string to indicate this.
- Removed 18 lines of superfluous triggers.
:: VOLT
- P12 Archon is removed if player leaves during L4.
- Resized location for L1 hit detection from .5x.5 to 1x1.
- L3 now kills the same spawns for both teams.
- Fixed some pathing issues with outposts and Volt's L1.
- Removed some 50+ lines of superfluous triggers.
All I really need is fixed up terrain... though I guess I could do it if I have to.
xYoshix? Excalibur? Bueller?
Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Oct 14 2009, 2:23 am by Mini Moose 2707.
https://www.collaborativefund.com/blog/how-this-all-happened/
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
https://youtu.be/vyiXaCRwZTs
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html
http://lab.cccb.org/en/renata-avila-the-internet-of-creation-disappeared-now-we-have-the-internet-of-surveillance-and-control/
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
https://youtu.be/vyiXaCRwZTs
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html
http://lab.cccb.org/en/renata-avila-the-internet-of-creation-disappeared-now-we-have-the-internet-of-surveillance-and-control/
sounds good is there a link somewhere??? or... are we waiting for terrain before release?
also curious does the medic recieve full heal? if not is there a bonus for her of somekind?
also curious does the medic recieve full heal? if not is there a bonus for her of somekind?
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Mini Moose 2707- Destroying a Warp Gate now splits the XP for units created there evenly among your team.
The rest of the changes are pretty good.
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Mini Moose 2707All I really need is fixed up terrain... though I guess I could do it if I have to.
xYoshix? Excalibur? Bueller?
xYoshix? Excalibur? Bueller?
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Mini Moose 2707- Destroying a Warp Gate now splits the XP for units created there evenly among your team.
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Mini Moose 2707All I really need is fixed up terrain... though I guess I could do it if I have to.
xYoshix? Excalibur? Bueller?
xYoshix? Excalibur? Bueller?
http://www.staredit.net/moose/ts/ts_terrain.png
Any removal of blockiness you want to do in addition to that is appreciated.
Also, roadblock for changing Assassin from Zeratul to Dark Templar: The fact that Dark Templar is used for casting L4 will probably make problems and most definitely screws over find/replace.
EDIT: While testing this, I realize that in retrospect, M7 wasn't so great. Just wanted to admit that to everyone.
Retrospect #2: The Medic L4 change was really easy to trigger. I should've done it a long time ago. I think by the time I finished everything with that L4 it took up LESS lines than the way it used to be.
Post has been edited 5 time(s), last time on Oct 14 2009, 2:21 am by Mini Moose 2707.
https://www.collaborativefund.com/blog/how-this-all-happened/
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
https://youtu.be/vyiXaCRwZTs
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html
http://lab.cccb.org/en/renata-avila-the-internet-of-creation-disappeared-now-we-have-the-internet-of-surveillance-and-control/
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
https://youtu.be/vyiXaCRwZTs
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html
http://lab.cccb.org/en/renata-avila-the-internet-of-creation-disappeared-now-we-have-the-internet-of-surveillance-and-control/
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I disagreed with this, since it adds an advantage to the attackers, but we'll see how this will play out.
Thoughts:
- Medic got no compensation for L4 nerf. It will probably be pretty bad with no buff for that major nerf.
--- Eh, read through the past 5 pages. The only thing that looked decent was making everyone invincible for 5-10 seconds with L3 or the medics-->Marines change we talked about that seems slightly dumb. Invincible would be cool
- Spec Ops L4 is pretty much useless. Whatever, no one will get it.
-- The +3 seems like it should work, a break even point of 8 upgrades, but more importantly he can't minecap so his earlygame is a good deal weaker.
- LM Reaver change is good, but LM is still trash because it's not M3 assim income. Unless you get your entire team to direct spawns to you and just lame. Then it's somewhat useful after you farm for 30 minutes. We'll see if anyone figures out a way to use him well, I'd be surprised.
- No pre-spell effects for Mutant L3? I think even Max agreed on those. =o
- Killing units owned by yourself needs to possible. Huge for both Medic and Archer now that his summons are L2.
I sort-of hope Assault L4 is the Fire Wall I sent you, I think it might actually have some potential. =D. Another idea might be to let him run around for 10 seconds or so and create a burrowed infested terran or something under him whenever he moves. Then you could replace each infested terran with a Firebat. =D But it's probably just a Marine squad, which isn't bad coupled with his dropship.
---- EDIT: Ew is it Terran Air?
Maybe Fire Wall would work for Spec Ops L4? Probably better than a nuke.
Everything looks good. Assuming it works, I could see it being a balanced 11-hero version with the two or three changes I've said.
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The fact that Dark Templar is used for casting L4 will probably make problems and most definitely screws over find/replace.
1. Replace all Dark Templar with LALALALALLALALALALALA
2. Replace all Zeratul with Dark Templar
3. Replace all LALALALALLALALALALALA with Zeratul
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Yeah, except Dark Templar is used for every L4 spell cast in the game, so he can't blindly change it like you said.
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Unless he could find a way to build Zeratuls from the gateway...
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Okay, I was misunderstanding him, clear now. Anyway,
- Zeratul attacks faster than the other two.
- The non-hero moves faster than the other two.
... considering primary Assassin play is just stunlocking someone x times in a row until they die, and he has a free escape mechanism for his L1, I feel like attack speed is more important...?
- Zeratul attacks faster than the other two.
- The non-hero moves faster than the other two.
... considering primary Assassin play is just stunlocking someone x times in a row until they die, and he has a free escape mechanism for his L1, I feel like attack speed is more important...?
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- Spec Ops L4 is pretty much useless. Whatever, no one will get it.
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- Destroying a Warp Gate now splits the XP for units created there evenly among your team.
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True, I guess that opens a new strategy (rather than nuking your own warp gates...). But if you're capable of nuking their warp gates, aren't you capable of nuking their Temple... so just do that instead? Only the Archer and Medic can't detect it or kill a cloaked ghost now, I believe. And no dropship anymore, so you have to break down a door.
However, tanking cannons and slipping a ghost by... that could be pretty impressive... =)
Props to you if you can pull it off.
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However, tanking cannons and slipping a ghost by... that could be pretty impressive... =)
Props to you if you can pull it off.
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- Destroying a Warp Gate now splits the XP for units created there evenly among your team.
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- L4 is now Summon Nuclear Ghost.
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- L4 now heals affected heroes to HP + 5 Levels, not 100%.
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- Removed 18 lines of superfluous triggers.
- Added triggers to hopefully improve accuracy and hit detection of spells using it.
- Removed some 50+ lines of superfluous triggers.
- Added triggers to hopefully improve accuracy and hit detection of spells using it.
- Removed some 50+ lines of superfluous triggers.
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- Medic got no compensation for L4 nerf. It will probably be pretty bad with no buff for that major nerf.
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--- Eh, read through the past 5 pages. The only thing that looked decent was making everyone invincible for 5-10 seconds with L3 or the medics-->Marines change we talked about that seems slightly dumb. Invincible would be cool
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- No pre-spell effects for Mutant L3? I think even Max agreed on those. =o
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- Spec Ops L4 is pretty much useless. Whatever, no one will get it.
Nuking cannons is good now. Yes they will.Quote
but LM is still trash because it's not M3 assim income.
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I sort-of hope Assault L4 is the Fire Wall I sent you
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- Killing units owned by yourself needs to possible. Huge for both Medic and Archer now that his summons are L2.
I agree that changing the dt type doesn't matter much either way.
If I have another tourny, it's definitely going to be using M8.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
"We're being taught to hate downwards"
>be faceless void >mfw I have no face
I still lurker bomb. Only unit I can't kill with it easily is volt with lvl2.
Red classic.
"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."
"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."
Has mech's infinite hp at temple been fixed? Volt's l2 been nerfed? LM have detection? Any dm buffs?
I think medic shouldn't full heal herself, no incentive to up hp, and extremely hard to kill. Her other spells should receive a buff to compensate.
L1 should perhaps do something that would be more useful late game and won't feed early game— casting l1 would create an invincible medic at each ally for 5 seconds (and maybe give them 5 mana).
This way medic can heal without worrying about feeding, but the 5 second heal won't be too excessive. Also, this spell will have worth after l4 because not only can you heal them additionally after l4, you can heal them from across the map.
I think this would greatly increase the effectiveness of l1 without it being OP, and still keeping to the main idea.
If that isn't enough of a boost, medic could either slow enemies after disabling them, inhibit the mana gain for the duration, or create some ghosts for a shot.
Does l4 also heal spawns?
I think medic shouldn't full heal herself, no incentive to up hp, and extremely hard to kill. Her other spells should receive a buff to compensate.
L1 should perhaps do something that would be more useful late game and won't feed early game— casting l1 would create an invincible medic at each ally for 5 seconds (and maybe give them 5 mana).
This way medic can heal without worrying about feeding, but the 5 second heal won't be too excessive. Also, this spell will have worth after l4 because not only can you heal them additionally after l4, you can heal them from across the map.
I think this would greatly increase the effectiveness of l1 without it being OP, and still keeping to the main idea.
If that isn't enough of a boost, medic could either slow enemies after disabling them, inhibit the mana gain for the duration, or create some ghosts for a shot.
Does l4 also heal spawns?
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ClansAreForGaysM8 changes
this leads me to believe you didn't fix it in the best way, because it always happens every time. It can be fixed by centering location 058 over it just before the creat/kill trigger.
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:: ASSASSIN
- Fixed a bug that may have resulted in hallucinated obs sticking around after L1, L3, or L4.
- Fixed a bug that may have resulted in hallucinated obs sticking around after L1, L3, or L4.
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- Spec Ops L4 is pretty much useless. Whatever, no one will get it.
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-- The +3 seems like it should work, a break even point of 8 upgrades, but more importantly he can't minecap so his earlygame is a good deal weaker.
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- LM Reaver change is good, but LM is still trash because it's not M3 assim income. Unless you get your entire team to direct spawns to you and just lame. Then it's somewhat useful after you farm for 30 minutes. We'll see if anyone figures out a way to use him well, I'd be surprised.
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- No pre-spell effects for Mutant L3? I think even Max agreed on those. =o
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- Killing units owned by yourself needs to possible. Huge for both Medic and Archer now that his summons are L2.
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1. Replace all Dark Templar with LALALALALLALALALALALA
2. Replace all Zeratul with Dark Templar
3. Replace all LALALALALLALALALALALA with Zeratul
2. Replace all Zeratul with Dark Templar
3. Replace all LALALALALLALALALALALA with Zeratul
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ClansAreForGaysDoes the medic still get %100?(just curious)
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but LM is still trash because it's not M3 assim income.
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Has mech's infinite hp at temple been fixed?
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Volt's l2 been nerfed?
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LM have detection?
Theoretically, it can gain detection for split-seconds based on how the kill action works when casting a spell that explodes observers over it. ;o
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Any dm buffs?
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Does l4 also heal spawns?
https://www.collaborativefund.com/blog/how-this-all-happened/
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
https://youtu.be/vyiXaCRwZTs
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html
http://lab.cccb.org/en/renata-avila-the-internet-of-creation-disappeared-now-we-have-the-internet-of-surveillance-and-control/
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html
https://youtu.be/vyiXaCRwZTs
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html
http://lab.cccb.org/en/renata-avila-the-internet-of-creation-disappeared-now-we-have-the-internet-of-surveillance-and-control/
Infinite hp as in- he isn't invincible at the temple so he just tanks reavers for Über-feed.
Also, lm's l1 isn't a reliable source for detection when your life depends on it.
Also, lm's l1 isn't a reliable source for detection when your life depends on it.
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- Killing units owned by yourself needs to possible. Huge for both Medic and Archer now that his summons are L2.
This is bogus imo. I think it should be left as the current macro of what to do with medics. You can easily suicide into opposing cannons and if you use it at the wrong time your gona pay out the butt for it. I don't think its quite fair for a medic to be able to hide them in her base and then come kill them.
Same goes for archer. If he wants to use those powerful things he better watch not to feed. I'm already thinking the slight nerf isn't going to help much but well see how it tests out.
flash you idea of invincible medics that heal for 5 secs is too powerful at the begining. If everyone on your team went bio you could easily out fight them for the warp gates. Not to mention for 3 seperate heals 25 mana thats one hell of a spell.
i do agree shes gona need a buff but as you don't like fh for her because of the incentive of hp ups, I ask, where is the the incentive for the lightmage to up hp? He doesn't need more than 1-2 which he would rarely ever get as his life blood is spell casting. just my thoughts
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Ultraviolet -- zsnakezzzsnakezz shouted: ultra you have any thought or notes on undead invasion?
I still haven't gotten a chance to play it yet unfortunately. I just downloaded, but today I'm working on a project with a deadline so won't be able to play it today[04:57 am]
zsnakezz -- thank you for your comment though, good to know some people out there tried my map out
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