Yea, the republican candidates dont really seem to interest me either. Infact neither do the democrats. The only exception IMO is Obama. His politicies aren't anything too special, but in my eyes the fact that he's a minority can he truly be a good role model for many americans, particularly the minorities like the african-americans.

Ron Paul ftw

Ron Paul is the best the Republicans have to offer, but his stances on immigration, abortion, and the separation of church and state are dogmatic and untenable.

I don't care about this country enough to even want to give my 2¢ for voting, so I haven't kept up on candidates or their stances.


If they have these views, they have my vote:

Kick all illegals out (unless they have been here long enough to take the citizenship test.. If that's the case, test them, and kick them out if they fail)

Let women choose if they can abort or not (I guess that would be ProChoice?)

I don't like Religion, but I do not condone those who follow it, but keep it how it is. No Federal Church, no church in schools, no church in ANYTHING that is political (Federal, State, Municipal)

So if they have those views in those aspects, then cool.

I'm not going to be in the United States long enough to care about the Economy, cause I'm hopefully leaving this shitty country within the next three years.

But I still think Bush sucks

Well, on two of those social issues I agree with you, but do you realize 99.2% of this country's population is illegal immigrants(or descendants thereof)?
I will put it like this: How would deporting thousands of people be a good use of taxpayer money? I do support tightening our borders(elimination of smuggling routes, etc.), but it would be far cheaper to do it if you made the immigration quotas sane. Allow a guest worker program, at least we can then identify the people coming into the country. Also remove a huge portion of the demand for smuggled goods by legalizing recreational drug use for responsible adults(tax it to cover the cost of any associated medical risk, which would be greatly reduced). This would cut the cost of enforcing the border immensely, and make selling drugs illegally far less lucrative. Building a fence to combat illegal immigration would be like fixing a leaking tire with chewing gum(it just won't work).

If they are illegal, they don't deserve to be here. That's that. Maybe if they've been here the amount of time it takes for them to be here before they can take the test, and they take it and pass, they can be part of this country.

Until then, kick them out.



Create a guest worker program? Why? So hundreds of thousands of illegal hispanics can flood into America, and steal mine and your jobs for dirt cheep pay?

Okay, cool. Let's just destroy our economic system with our new "guest worker program". Smart move




Legalizing recreational drugs? You mean like Marijuanna and such?

Could work, but wont. Its too hard to control (meaning ANYONE can grow the shit if they find a seed) and tax.



I don't support the fence idea, that's ludicrious to begin with.


But too answer your initial question: It wouldn't. But its the best choice we have at this point in time.

What do we do with illegals that we find anyways?




Deport them.

Agreed. My thoughts exactly.

Perhaps your job, but why would you deserve that job more than someone else? Could you pass a citizenship test?Consider tobacco, it is rather highly taxed, but people do not grow it because buying it is far more convenient. I would be more concerned with taxing the drugs that are significantly detrimental to your health. And even then, only to cover the medical consequences. I do not think a sin tax is appropriate.Sealing our borders to people that want to work here is not a long term solution. We have already priced ourselves out of many markets, and with the state of our education system, we are at no advantage in the high tech sector. The only way we can remain economically competitive is by lowering our waste, and raising the standard of living in other countries.

I wouldn't deserve the job more than anyone else.. But I don't support Illegals coming into my country and gaining sovereignty through a guest worker program... What gives them the right to jump our borders illegally, and then gain benefits from it? That's ludicrious...



And maybe if I wasn't an American citizen, i'd have to worry about the test.




You do realise that the only reason Tobacco isn't grown by your "average joe", is that because it takes a large amount of time to grow, and you will more then likely never come across a tobacco seed (unless your family has been growing it for years, or you get lucky)...... Whereas Marijuanna (depending on the quality of your Bud) has many...

Sealing our borders to people who want to work here illegally is a long term solution, and should be the solution.

If they want to work here, do it the right way, and maybe people with the same views as me wouldn't "bitch" so much.

Honestly, we could remain economically competative if we didn't have an incompitent president whose just trying to finish what Daddy couldn't. We wouldn't be spending almost trillions of dollars on a "War" started by a punk who was just handed the presidency, if we had compitence in Congress.

The main reason these people enter the country illegally is because our immigration policy is insane. A guest worker program would provide a legal way for people seeking work to enter the country. This has nothing to do with the people already here.

Also, who cares if people grow their own marijuana?

And no, the war is not the only reason we have economic problems. We are a nation centered around debt, from the time we are children, we are indoctrinated to buy things we do not need, and to spend more money than we have.

Okay, so lets just make it so anyone from any country in the world can get into our country, gain sovereignty through our guest worker program, take our jobs and money away from us, and then leave the United States to rott after embezling (I know its not the right context for the word, but whatever) our money for themselves, to convert back to their original countries currency.



Right. I'm going to just stand back and let illegal-immagrants take the last little bit of integrity that the United States of America has. Sorry, but I'm actually a sovergn citizen and care about my country, unlike you (I'm only saying this because honestly, it seems like you want to destroy our economic system with your guest worker program because that's exactly what it would do)


Who cares if people grow their own Marijuanna?

Uh, the Federal Government??? Because they'll lose $$$$$$$ from you growing your shit (unless they raid you)???? Because you're bypassing the "laws" that they created to "protect" you? Because you're supporting "Drug trafficing" (ignore my spelling today) by growing substances that the Federal Government has condoned as "Illicit"?

Because you're not supporting their "War on Drugs"



The last reply is the true reason (imo). The Federal Government has the technology and power, to get all drugs off of the streets.

Why don't they do it?


It makes them way more money than it would to eliminate drugs from the streets.

Guess what their biggest money maker nowdays is?


Crystal Methamphetamines.

Guess what it was in the 80's? Crack

The 70's? Cocaine

The 60's? None. Because there was no "War on Drugs".


Go figure.






O rly? Since when? I was never conditioned to buy shit I don't need like you claim... Got any proof to back that up?

When was the last time you turned on the radio or watched television?

Seriously Kellimus, have you ever heard of advertisements?

Honestly? About a week or two.

Television is for sheep, and I don't listen to mainstream BS music.


Seriously Dapperdan, if you buy these mundain things because you saw it on tv and they told you to, you're a blind sheep.


Of course I have, smart ass. I'm just not stupid enough to waste my:

Time
Energy
Effort
Emotion
Money

towards crap on TV. I buy what I want, not what the TV tells me.

Which according to AntiSleep, is what everyone does nowdays.

That isn't what I said, I said that as a country, Americans are indoctrinated to be easy marks, and it sounds to me like you over estimate your resistance to it. Advertisements are intended to influence the emotional state, not the rational mind, which you would understand if you studied the history of psychology in advertisement(specifically the marketing of cigarettes to women, at a time when it was generally considered a taboo). I no longer own a TV, but I am keenly aware that advertisements are effective on the united states population.

Because the majority of America has been being dumbed down the past 40 years.

Yes, and about advertisement, have you made a purchase based on emotion?

You completely missed the point. It was said that people are conditioned to to buy things we do not need, and to spend more money than we have, as AntiSleep put it. Not that everyone falls for it (I know I don't).

First of all I want to say this thread has been a success in my eyes, and I love all of you, despite my previous engagements sometimes.

Second, I truly wish I could depart with Kellimus to Canada, where the marijuana advertisements are abundant because of the aloof Mounties and their horses.

Thirdly, there will be no fourth of all.


Since you all are apparently on the illegal immigrant issue, I'll say what I can. There is not 98.22% illegal immigrants for whoever said that before, that is a BLATANTLY false statement. I think that all the illegals should be automatically deported, along with the people who say that our country's work force would collapse without the illegals. Soon we're gonna start having to capitalize the I's in Illegal Immigrants.
Keep it up guys, doin a great job!..

But thats just arrogant me, no bias no influence.

None.


Marijuanna isn't legal anymore in Canada (to my knowledge), and I don't like Canadians anyways.