Yes, that is what you want people to believe. That it was only a "plan".
The mafia's job is to mislead people into lynching the townies so it can add along with the night killings. The more townies that dies, the faster it is for mafia to win. That is why you would go through all those troubles.

If you truly think like that then you are an awful mafia player. The mafia should lay low and do everything as if they were average townspeople. Not start risky bandwagons. It is much wiser for the mafia not to risk their lives, because the longer they live, the more townies they kill. A good mafia player will let townies such as you (assuming you're a townie) lynch the town.

Also, if my fellow mafia were to become a victim of accusations and a forming bandwagon, I would apologise to him via PM and help the town vote him off. Which is what would have happened if both me and Shocko were mafia. Mafia don't save mafia from bandwagons unless there is an opportunity to join another bandwagon (but I would still think twice before saving my fellow mafia).

And why would I originally claim that I'm mafia? I hope you don't believe that I truly lost a bet with someone, do
you?

...eh. I haven't been mafia for a LOOOOOOOONG time. Moose, edit your randomiser so that it likes me.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on May 27 2009, 9:48 pm by JaFF.

Thank god I hopped out of that bandwagon,

I corrected what you'd said, gashface.

None of you understand psychology at all. JaFF tried it but the mafia would've known he wasn't. Obvious trap is obvious? However when he revealed it, you jumped on.

So Echo. Explain to us townies why you A) Want to lynch a doctor, B) Want to lynch a townie and C) Want to lynch someone with completely no affiliation to either on a long string of 'what if's?

Now I'm not going to be extreme and call you mafia, but merely question your massive town align mind fuck?

Why would you correct me when you're extremely horrible at English?

Just because you said you are doctor doesn't mean that you are. No one else knows and this game has no clues. I'm basing it off of voting patterns and how people are acting.

EcHo, reply to my post please.

I rather not because you already know what I'm going to say. I choose not to go in circles. We'll see what happens.

You chose not to because you have nothing to retort with. Nothing intellectually solid, that is. Your ideas about how a mafia should behave have been shown to be obsolete and ineffective. You cannot reasonably explain why I claimed to be mafia in the first place, too.

ADDITION:
To stimulate our asymmetric discussion, I'm warning you that if you do not respond to that post of mine in an intellectual manner, I will use your inability to retort my arguments against you.

You talk as if your methods are so effective. You got two innocent people killed, one of them a doctor. Most of your statements sounds ridiculous too. All you're saying is "If I was...then I would...".

I said nothing about methods and who has more effective ones. And since you mentioned it, I used a method that has a greater probability of success than yours, it just so happened that it failed. Even if your methods and ideas prove to be effective this game, it will not be proof of their ability to repeat positive results.

Anyway, getting back to the point. I talked about how any normal mafia behaves and how your thouhts on the subject are totally inadequate. I talked about how incredibly unlikely it is for me to be mafia and how baseless your suspicions are.

You failed to respond to my points yet again.

Which ones in particular and how do you find them ridiculous? I'll gladly explain to you everything you don't understand.

...right before clicking 'post' I understood one thing. Since you're going to lynch Shocko first, I'll let you do it (if I'll be alive). Since he is very likely to be a townie, you will probably lose your only 'argument' (which was 'ZOMG SHOCKO AND JAFF LYNCHED TOWNIES' anyway). If he is actually mafia, then it's bad luck (probability) for me.

If you actually took time to read the previous posts, I said to lynch JaFF first.

I don't see where you get all these probabilities from. You said to lynch vi3t-x just because he jumped onto voting on you after you said you were mafia.

Sorry, my bad. But it doesen't matter that much anyway.

Exactly. That's exactly the point. Mafia players should do the most obvious things, like vote on the biggest bandwaggon, sometimes randomly abstain, and respond to reasoning when it comes to clues (not applicable this game). Any townie would find a statement such as "I am mafia" suspicious, but most people wouldn't be bothered to waste their vote because of it. Since it's probably the first instance of someone making such a claim (to my memory atleast), I picked the victim on the following basis:

1. Voted for something that is 'too obvious of a bandwaggon'. As I've explained earlier.
2. One of the first voters for me. At that time, no big bandwaggons were around, so his opinion was less likely swayed.
3. Someone who doesen't pay much attention to mafia games. Which is why he would, as mafia, be more likely of falling under the 1st category.

I know, not the most reliable strategy, but it does increase our odds of lynching a mafia. It's much better than just lynching the people that voted for townies, since many people do that.

But all that doesen't matter now. What matters is that you aknowledge that our goals are the same and that I'm not stupid enough to go through all this as a mafia to get myself lynched. Unless you're mafia of course, but I doubt that because you're attracting too much attention.

JaFF, those circles that Echo [i]doesn't[/] go in, are infact, those of which he does.

Constant arguing with me and yet I'm always town aligned. The one game I'm mafia, noone suspected me at all. I suppose if noone suspects you and you're town aligned, you're not doing your job.

Ex. Last game: Paravin, DofA, LoveLess.
None particularly suspected, but all were mafia.

JaFF, perhaps you were wrong. The ones that bandwaggon are townies, but the ones that watch it burn are mafia?

Hitok1r1 got hit. Deathman met death. Almost Alive was almost alive.

** DAY THREE START **
You know what to do.

Lololol, awesome.

I was probably the 4th target of the night. I vote JaFF. We should do 6 votes for JaFF and 5 for Shocko or DTBK. That way reaper can finish the job.

Holy shit we're dropping like flies.

I vote JaFF

Irony For The Win.

I VOTE AGAINST DTBK

I vote Shocko.. again.