Just making this topic to prep up for this debate at school, tomorrow. (Warning, megaton wall of text approaching)

Anyways for you Canadians/non-Canadians out there who might not of heard, some black organization groups are trying to fund a black school here in Ontario. It was random but yes, that is, what they want. Reason why is because they feel that the public domain education just isn't good enough for them(the black students). Now in my honest opinion, I think that's bullcrap. How can public education, not be good enough for you(the black students). In a report, it said 40% of blacks students out of a 100 are the highest out of all ethnic groups to have the highest drop out rate. Thus if you were to randomly grab 10 black students and put them in a room; 4 of them would fail and the rest would pass. That's a high number now isn't it. But this leads me to say, what is it that makes blacks have the highest dropout out of all the other races. Well, there certainly isn't any racism, thats for sure. All the material is there, is not? Well my answer would have to be the students themselves. In my expierence, those black students I've been working with (not to be racist) act really lazy when it comes to school work. Like refusing to participate, causing problems like bitching and being disruptive; or my favourite, non-stop chattering and refusing to listen. It's ass. Now once again, this isn't the educations fault. It's those black students that choose to be dumbasses and crapbags. What would having a separate black focus school really do.
Just make the surrounding feel more black welcome? Well, I guess the white teachers and students would be proud if they were away from them but guess what? Where will the money come from to fund the black school?!?!
Well is the government trustees approve they wouldn't just spill all the cash to them. It's obvious they would grab the money from the taxpayers who get the money from us (the people). And whats worse is, what about those who weren't in favor for the school in the first place?! They would be losing money for nothing.

Now back to the education. The supporters agree the black schools education should be more afro-centric. Well, that's great and all as black people(as in the last 100 years + civilizations) have had many great accomplishments (Such as the Nubian's, who discovered the alphabet way before the civilizations in the north(Europe). But stuff like that you can find in the public education. Woops, my bad. Such information is rarely discussed upon, but only in small amounts. But then again, if they wanted more afro-centric incorporations then why didn't they appeal such stuff to the people responsible for the schools district education. Then there wouldn't be a need for a black school if the public one already covers it, which it should of been in the fucking first place!

Now for the black school in general. So it's going to be open to all blacks; the only thing changing that would be the grade intervals (like elementary, middle, high school etc). Now say if the decision was for a black high school.
Since it's all **blacks that includes those that chose to learn and the disruptive ones. Now what would happen if you blend disruptives + intolerants + gang afflicted and criminally ill? Well, that looks like we got a school havoc/chaos every day. Fights, vandalation, stealing you name it. Such students would be hard to control. It's just a big, uncontrollable, mess.

Well, I'm cutting this wall o text short because I think you've got my message. Anyways, discuss.


**Forgot to mention, black students have a choice to go to the school.

Seems a bit like a racist tirade to me. Take out the swear words, might be a little better. Take out the broad generalizations... Oh wait, there goes your argument.
And by "gang afflicted" and "vandalation", do you mean "gang-affiliated" and "vandalization"?
Also, the Nubians didn't "discover" the alphabet (discover in quotation marks because the alphabet isn't something one discovers, but something one makes), the Greeks made the first. Instead, you may want to include the Moor occupation of Portugal and Spain, or maybe something about Ghana.

Glad to see modern culture is finally making some discrimination progress.

Jeeez Jordan, why do you hate god so much?

First Point: lolwut

Second Point:
First of all, if its open for only blacks, that's racism, and you probably know what to do with that. Beyond that, I don't really see anything wrong with what's happening. What are you trying to do, convince them that they don't deserve a separate school? The simple fact is that if they do create that school, they pretty much deserve it. Schools don't make themselves. Beyond that.. if the only thing you're trying to do is convince the audience that they're not superior (which is pretty much what the law says...), having statistics with a source (two preferable) would go a longer way. However, I have no idea why you would want to do that. It's a really small aspect of what's happening.

Time to unleash some steam from that debate onto here.

Anyways from the pros side, the whole point of the school is for blacks that are struggling beyond anything then here is a school for them with a more black focus education. Now here comes the downside (are you ready).

Why should it be fair that those black students who are normally the trouble makers get a school for themselves. Now heres a parable I want you to read.

Take here a 16 year old white teenager name Jimmy. Now heres a 16 year old black teenager name Shane. They're both currently are struggling at school. They both think there going to fail high school. Now Jimmy here has been going to his councilors and teachers always trying to seek help. Now Shane here has been just been playing basketball instead of doing his homework. Now here comes a black support group who believes Shane needs his own school were his education is more black focused and it will motivate him to succeed. Jimmy moves to a locally developed classes so he too can work his way back. Now shane is in this black school and he still continues his bad antics. Trouble maker, not doing his homework and just doesn't want to learn. Jimmy, with the aid of his help from his friends and teachers has finally graduated high school. Shane hasn't. Now, as you can see. Jimmy put his mind to it on what he needed to do to succeed. Shane hasn't. So why would it take a school to lecture shane when here Jimmy just needed extended help. Please answer that? The school (not the black one) has all the help they need. What more difference does the black school provide? Nothing much but just black centered education.

Now using this parable, I'll answer some responses.
So why should Shane here deserve the school more then anyone else. Jimmy and Shane were both on the same level. Why should Shane get it, out of all the other races. Because he's black? Oh, ya ya ya. Mr.Public education is not good enough for my race. We should make our own just like that.

The black school is open to all races but those of other race might feel left out or stick out. Now at the debate this was a super speculation. No one knows until they attend but the results may be that.

I never brought that up. Everyone was created equally. Yaun Ming could be the same as Hugo Figurelli. It's just based on a persons action on how they want to learn. Not someone else's action.

Sources were there but I would need to reattain them if you want to know about it.

I hope you read the original post because I don't know what fucking sense does that statement make.

Small Aspect? Ha. Once the documentary is done I'll have to upload it and show it to you.

This makes me want to bring up a bill cosby for no reason.
What a remarkable man. If anyone disagrees with this saying then you seriously haven't seen the outside world.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Feb 23 2008, 7:36 pm by JordanN.

Doesn't Jimmy have the same chance to get into the school as Shane? If not, then it's racism.

So.. what's the problem here? They're not telling you you can't go, you're just not going because you don't want to... I don't see an issue.

Well the smart black kids who are doing well will avoid it of course but the ones who need the help will just go there but do nothing. The whole school will be pointless if theres no progress.

It's like building a Wendy's for just for french people and it ends up they choose not to buy anything there anyway.

So it's a crappy school. What's wrong with that? There are plenty of crappy schools in the world. Is all you're arguing here is that they shouldn't have the right to make the school because it'll be a crappy school?

I thought this was going to be some interesting opinion on the fact that canada is choosing to either open a african-american based school or start some african-american based courses. However it is just you making a debate.

So basically my input on your debate is that you are assuming "african american school" is a drop out school, the smart African Americans will want to stay in normal public school. However, did it not cross to you that there could be an African American child whom wishes to learn more about his or her heritage but cannot do so, because public schools focus more on core fundamentals for life (english, mathmathics and science) rather than ethnic traditions, cultural beliefs and specific topics that may interest the person.

However, despite the flaws in your arguement, I am opposed to the thought that a school can be founded with the pre-requisite of your skin colour or heritage. I think if an African American school was to be created, it should be centeralized around African American studies, which despite what you are saying, I am sure it will be.

Other then that, this arguement (which I have heard on the news, between several people and apparently now on SEN) is check-mate. Blacks do not in particular deserve special treatment, nor do people of caucasian (spelling?) or Asian heritage. We are ALL humans, the colour of our skin is dependant on our parents, and theirs are of their parents and eventually it all boils down to evolution making certain people more resiliant to heat so that they can inhabit the land they inhabited, hense, African American representing the American population of those with African Heritage.

GG to your arguement on how an African American school will be run.

Why does Jimmy try to get help and not Shane? Why does the white kid get help and the black kid just play basketball? Seriously, stop making racist generalizations. You'll be more believable.

Here I go again.
Yes, that's basically what it is. All though it hasn't started yet, tha'ts what we on the cons side of the debate summed it up too.

Hmm, true but can't such things be founded on ones own time? Or for blacks there's black history month were all such things are brought up and if lucky also in the education.

Flaws? Flaws! Please point out the flaws.

It's somewhat but not 100%. According to the pros of the debate, all education is in the format of the public school but with black focused areas.(sources pending) Such as in art, you will be doing regular art but learn were some techniques and styles originated from or inspired other artists. The only exception is math.

But I've been saying that. I'm just critising the random outspoke of a black school without any planning at all. I could understand if the group was like "ok we want a black school, but we should fundraise and spread our idea on how a perfect black school should be ran. Then when we have enough, we can appeal to the government trustees and then get it operational under a strict amount of rules". But nope, instead it was "lets start a black school with no basic funding or idea at all, so lets turn to the government to fund us wee hoo!" Thank god Mcguinty and the trustees rejected them for that.

Please re-read all posts in this topic before even jumping to such conclusion.

Ok, according to most SEN members, now I should explain my post more before people get angry. Shane is the generalization of the black school. The idea of the parable was to show how the blacks that are attending the black school have such behavior. I can show proof(via teachers) if needed when many of such circumstances (like this) are true. And no, that is not a racial generalization. This is a racial generalization; "16 year Shane doesn't work and just misses school to watch B.E.T and eat a bucket of fried chicken".

I'm not exactly clear, though - they're funding it themselves, right? They're not forcing the government to do it?

So basically they want to government the help to (as in funding) but they refused which I'm glad for.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Feb 24 2008, 3:48 pm by JordanN.

Good, that's what I thought you meant. I would be against this if they were using government money for this, but as long as they raise the money themselves, I don't see what any of the trouble is.

Lol wut? They didn't raise any money. That's why I said they went to the government and asked for the funding but the government refused mmm'kay.

Yes.. so, what exactly are you debating about? How asinine they were to ask the government for the money? If the government doesn't make the school, then either it won't be made or they'll raise the money themselves, mmm'kay?

You gotta watch the news more often, then you'll see the big deal.