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The Forest Moon
Jan 5 2017, 5:58 pm
By: Pr0nogo  

Jan 5 2017, 5:58 pm Pr0nogo Post #1



THE FOREST MOON

Prelate Drakkar survives a crash-landing upon the forested satellite known as Galgon-10, but the moon's nefarious denizens won't leave him alone for long.
Primer:

This one-off project is an update to a mission I created as a part of a campaign called 'Chronicle of the Beast' back in 2011. Obviously, a lot of time has passed from then to now, and so a lot of polish was required in order to make this releasable. You may be wondering why I even bothered to open up such an antiquated map, let alone redesign it. I recently had an itch for nostalgia that only one of my own projects could scratch, but I knew I'd never be able to get through a map with my old voice acting in it.

I decided to update the script, voice acting, mod component, and music selection in order to make the map slightly less offensive to my current standards. I would still have changed a lot if I were to revisit the project with a desire to continue the story, but in isolation, this is acceptable. In the end, I learned a lot from this process, and I'm partial to the idea of revisiting other lost projects of mine in the future, if only to decompress between larger releases. As a creative experiment, this was a grand success, even if The Forest Moon is sorely lacking in gameplay variety and cutscene polish.

As an aside, I definitely have to caution anyone who tries to open up the map. My old naming conventions and organizational methods for triggers, locations, and the like are foreign even to me. I wouldn't want anyone else trying to make sense of that shit.
Screenshots:

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Credits:
Lead designer, voice actor, sound engineer, music composer: Pr0nogo
Composer of briefing music 'In Russia, Rubik's Solves You': Cris Velasco
Brazilian who played the map six years ago: HelpMe

Click me to download The Forest Moon!
The Forest Moon was released in January of 2017.
Produced by Pr0nogo. Thank you for playing!


Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 5 2017, 6:08 pm by Pr0nogo.




Jan 8 2017, 4:27 pm TF- Post #2



Did play, have impressions:

- atmosphere is cool and makes me feel there's more to the universe than the map, so that's good, music is also good

- got a message at some point that shield batteries recharge your shields if you move next to them, thought that was a mod feature but they just worked like in normal BW i.e you have to rightclick them

- killed the early sunken by the gateway which was quite difficult with just Drakkar, but the gateway didn't do anything and the sunken was mostly avoidable, big waste for no pay off

- was weirdly surprised by no custom music or ambiance during the main game, though the rhynadon sounds were nice, i turned the default music back on there

- the fighting is really fierce, but goes on for a lot, I can tell the idea is to have a lot of technical fighting without sc2 ability spamming, but you can have various mechanics even in those confines, something I put in my map is some neutral destructible objects, you usually want to kill them but on occasion there's some that are actually keeping melee enemies like zerglings further away trapped, like in a shooting gallery, and you leave the objects alone until you've taken care of the zerglings

- the main templar can die and just re-appears out of nowhere when you reach the shuttles since he has dialogue there, i think the easiest way to handle this is detecting his death and creating a transmission like "I'll hang back, Prelate......the fighting is too much........." like he didn't really die and is still with you in the background

- overall it works as a self-contained map, even though I can tell it cuts off in a way that suggests a following map, it's possible to make something like a scifi short story that leaves things open-ended after all




Jan 8 2017, 4:44 pm Pr0nogo Post #3



Quote from TF-
atmosphere is cool and makes me feel there's more to the universe than the map, so that's good, music is also good
I remember thinking that atmosphere was always a strong aspect of this map back in the day, glad to see it's aged decently.

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got a message at some point that shield batteries recharge your shields if you move next to them, thought that was a mod feature but they just worked like in normal BW i.e you have to rightclick them
The message actually says that the shield batteries restore Drakkar's health (it's colored green in the transmission text, too). This is to make it possible for you to continue without too much backtracking to the first shield battery, especially if you miss the protoss base and go north instead of south.

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killed the early sunken by the gateway which was quite difficult with just Drakkar, but the gateway didn't do anything and the sunken was mostly avoidable, big waste for no pay off
That's a more recent addition, since before there were almost no zerg structures between the first and second shield batteries. I probably should have made it a cybernetics core or something instead of a gateway to reduce confusion, but generally any structure that's invincible and neutral is just there for ambiance.

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was weirdly surprised by no custom music or ambiance during the main game, though the rhynadon sounds were nice, i turned the default music back on there
I wasn't really thrilled with the thought of creating a music system for this map so I kept the default music going. What are you talking about when you reference rhynadon sounds? You can leave music enabled as the menu song (self-made) and the briefing song (by Cris Velasco) are the only custom music, and the protoss ready room music was disabled manually via modding (a blank .wav imported over the song so nothing plays).

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the fighting is really fierce, but goes on for a lot, I can tell the idea is to have a lot of technical fighting without sc2 ability spamming, but you can have various mechanics even in those confines, something I put in my map is some neutral destructible objects, you usually want to kill them but on occasion there's some that are actually keeping melee enemies like zerglings further away trapped, like in a shooting gallery, and you leave the objects alone until you've taken care of the zerglings
One of the biggest limitations of this iteration is that there's really no transition between commanding just Drakkar to commanding Drakkar and an entire force of allies. If I had remade this map from scratch, I probably would have had Drakkar search for some escape pods with his crew still in them, and make terrain exploration more important (i.e. some areas are locked off because Drakkar is too bulky to fit in them, but if you get zealots/high templar, they can reach those areas for you to unlock puzzles or retrieve resource pickups or whatever). The map would also probably wind up being longer, regardless of whether or not the map size was increased.

Quote from TF-
the main templar can die and just re-appears out of nowhere when you reach the shuttles since he has dialogue there, i think the easiest way to handle this is detecting his death and creating a transmission like "I'll hang back, Prelate......the fighting is too much........." like he didn't really die and is still with you in the background
This is a good idea, one that I would have included if I had thought of it during the refurbishing period. Protoss are all warped into their nexus when they die (unless you're a dragoon) so it makes sense.

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overall it works as a self-contained map, even though I can tell it cuts off in a way that suggests a following map, it's possible to make something like a scifi short story that leaves things open-ended after all
I think it's regrettable that I didn't carry over the second map from my old, dead hard drive, as I'd probably refurbish that along with this one. Not doing that now, though. If I ever get to the point where the newer iteration of Chronicle of the Beast sees a release, it'll be fun to contrast this standalone one-off to the new version. It was cool to get in a test run of voice acting for Drakkar, though, since he's a character I've messed around with for so long but never gave proper voice acting to.

Thanks for playing! Hopefully I was able to shed some light on the logic behind some of the questions you had.




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