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[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=Sie_Sayoka][QUOTE]He has led this country through some of the hardest times. He is truly, one of the Top 10 best American presidents in my eyes. I'll expand further if the discussion kicks off.
Intellectual comments, notes, anecdotes, stupidity, thoughtless statements, and flame welcome.
Ralph Nader not welcome.[/QUOTE]
[B][SIZE=18]WHAT THE FUX?![/SIZE][/B]
He has hurt Americas reputation and diplomatic relations to almost an unrepairable state, he has infringed our rights by spying on us, he has murdered thousands of people with this mistake of a war, he is possibly one of the worst and stupidest presidents of all time.[/Quote]
Now see, your answer is very vague, as is most liberal responses to my arguments. He has saved our reputation by sending military forces to Afghanistan and Iraq. 9/11 killed over 2,000 Americans, and you are saying we shouldn't retaliate? There are too many idiots with weapons in this world. Had we not taken out hundreds of thousands of terrorist insurgents, we would look like weak, pathetic fools walking away from being slapped in the face. We just proved that if we are not chew toys. What would have happened if we hadn't went in? Another attack. And another. So on. Unrepairable state you say? Well, it looks to me like you favor Middle Eastern Terror Cells.
Infringing our rights by spying on us eh? I assume you're referring to the Patriot Act. Tapping public phones and satellites and everything. Is that really spying on us? Your privacy is not hindered, and the U.S. government doesn't really care how much porn you download every day. The purpose of the legislation is to stop or at least hinder enemy action in our country.
Next lie, "He has murdered thousands of people." That sounds like he did it himself. The proper accusation would be, "He has caused the deaths of thousands of people." Over 3,000 American soldiers have been killed in action while in the War on Terror. It is sad, but they died defending the United States of America. "All wars have casualties." 20,000-30,000 civilian casualties have been calculated. Although it is a tragic loss, innocent people are destroyed in all conflicts. This conflict was inevitable since 9/11. I believe the number is much higher than it should be, but most of the casualties are inflicted by Saddam's troops murdering citizens. He did that before we went in and he was trying to destroy his country because he was a foolish, egocentric, possibly neurotic leader. We've all seen pictures of the oil fields that his troops set fire to before retreating. We have eliminated hundreds of thousands of terrorists, rebels and insurgents. We've liberated two countries and established democratic governments to replace the selfish previous rulers. We have made immense progress.
Finally, you say he is one of the "stupidest and worst presidents of all time." Stupid, why? He is one of the smartest people in the U.S. He's an undergrad and I believe he went to college in Connecticut. Bush has made it through the political ranks and leads our country. That alone shows that he is a very well educated man who knows what he is doing. I don't know who the worst president of all time was, but its not Bush. And the worst president still probably didn't do that bad a job. Its like saying 'John Smith is the least athletic player ever to win the Heisman trophy.' I believe you think he is 'stupid' because he has had some grammar mistakes in his speeches from time to time. Thats okay, we all make mistakes right? Why don't you talk to 250 million people and try not to studder.
BTW I saw on MoveOn.org, the anti-war site, that it says "Stop Bush and Cheney's obstruction of justice!" I could not believe my eyes it was the most foolish thing anyone has ever stated seriously. Obstruction of justice... Really running out of ideas, idiots. What, did Bush make a deal with the corporations to start a war in order to sell more bananas? Pfft, some of you liberals make me laugh and tousle your hair. And some others make me want to kill you.
I think I have made my point. Bush is good. We are victorious. Progress has been made.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=Sie_Sayoka][Quote=TitanWing]That would be the personal opinion of the average undereducated Bush hater. :-_-:[/Quote]
jeez... thanks for calling me ignorant
yes we did get bombed, and we did decimate the taliban thats all good and all but what do you say to iraq? Saddam was not harboring WMDs he was not concealing any terrorists and dont pull "oh he was a tyrant" because take a look at Darfur should we invade them as well along with the other half of the world? His decision to stay in Iraq is consting thousands of lives, not just from our soldiers and the insurgents but for the civilians of iraq as well. We stepped into a civil war, just like Vietnam and Korea and from experience we know that it did not turn out that great.[/Quote]
I won't make another longass post but I have to say something. At the zero hour of our first assault, we did not know, but we had reason to believe that he was holding WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction, i.e. Nukes, Chem weapons, fission bombs, etc.). I think that basis alone is enough to invade, but as I said before, we had ever more reason. Everybody makes mistakes. Also, we found that he did have labs where he ordered scientists to attempt to build a nuke. Give him a decade or two and he might have done it.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=Sie_Sayoka]I believe you are talking about the gulf war.[/Quote]
Maybe he is. There were no WMDs, just research facilities. The same with the Gulf War. Saddam did have SCUDs though. You know, the big missile that carries chemicals. Thats why all the American troops did gas mask practices, like in Jarhead.[/B][/COLOR]
[IMG=http://hypersonics.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/scud3a.jpg]<br />[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=AntiSleep]I hated George W. Bush [B]before[/B] it was popular.[/Quote]
Are you one of those many people who just hate him because he's president with no particular reason? I think so.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=Felagund]By not vetoing any of the Republican spending increases on pork projects (in an effort to increase the Republicans' respective popularities from their home states), our deficit is now huge (we had a surplus when Clinton was in office because of responsible fiscal management). Add that with the tax cuts, especially to the rich, and we have a recipe for a major economic recession. More so than Bush, the thing that has hurt America over the past six or seven years has been the Republican majority in all branches of government, although Bush certainly provided the momentum to propel the Republicans to their original political victory, although they have now created a political "Vietnam" for themselves with really no chance for a victory in the next decade or so.
Someone posted "proof" of WMDs in Iraq for the second gulf conflict, but they didn't realize it was an old report from the first one. Bush has really hurt international relations, our economy, and even Americans' trust in their own country. If you can find some good that he's done during his "reign" by all accounts, let us know.
[QUOTE]He has led this country through some of the hardest times.[/QUOTE]
Yes, these have been hard times, and unfortunately he was the leader when this crap all happened. He led us through all right but so poorly that it's going to take us years to hurt the wounds that he's caused.[/Quote]
Your first paragraph about economic recession and all that seems legitimate, though flawed. Investing in home states? Thats very vague. I don't know much about the economy so I won't comment on it.
Americans have never fully trusted our country. That is the cause of having two major parties battling it out to represent the people. Half the people get what they want, the other half has to deal with it and wait until the next election. Thats our country, like it or not. He has not reigned at all, he is the Commander in Chief. The CinC has to take control of the situation quickly before it spreads. He did that.
Okay, next paragraph. "Its going to take us years to hurt the wounds that he's caused." I assume hurt is a typo for heal? Alright. Years, nothing. We've taken a few thousand casualties. We can reinforce our numbers in a matter of days, without draft. Army Reserve. Now when you say he's caused, its like Bush is a separate entity the United States. He's our president and we will follow him through our darkest of times. We're Americans and we are supposed to be united.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=ClansAreForGays]http://youtube.com/watch?v=K7aFXRAW7mg
A quick video to anyone thinking Bush and other republicans aren't using 9/11 to their advantage.[/Quote]
You are an ignorant son of a bitch for posting that. You have two politicians talking and a comedian? Not to mention that the movie was entirely liberally-biased. They do hate us. They hate us because we are 'infidels'. We don't believe in their religion so we must die. They don't like short skirts, loud music, living life to the edge, you know. I'm not a racist, I'm just referring to the blatant egocentric side of their extremist part of their religion. When Ron Paul was speaking I noticed several cliche remarks that I won't go into unless someone asks me to. (We have not been bombing them for 10 years!) They also hate us because we are allied with Israel and have military bases all over, as David Cross pointed out. The terrorist factions want to decimate Israel because they have a different religion but they have been retaliating for decades and they are practically in their backyard. I saw on TV an American interviewer ask the Iranian president why they want to destroy Israel. His response was extremely hazy and he really tried hard to avoid the question. They haven't a Goddamn clue as to what they're fighting for.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=Felagund]MA, at least Clinton vetoed some spending and raised taxes for a balanced budget. You deal with what you have, and George Bush is spending money worse than a Democrat, but he's spending it on very Republican things (defense, etc.) which help fuel the military industrial complex and keep money in the pockets of the rich. Add to that his tax cuts and you've got a recipe for disaster.
Let's deal with your line of reasoning though. If the economy was doing well with Clinton in office, then he had a right to go up to that budget in spending (and we even had a surplus to pay back our debt and increase international trust in our economy). So when the economy start to perform less robustly, why did George W. Bush suddenly increase spending? If the economy were doing better, the spending wouldn't hurt as much. However, we're pulling in less money but spending more. Did you know that the United States pours more money into its defense budget than all other countries combined? At least, that's since 9/11. A mostly symbolic attack has "forced" us to severely harm too many aspects of this nation, at least that's what Bush says. It's a funny thing how the vast majority of people really hate the job he's doing as "president."[/Quote]
But if the money from the rich goes to the poor then the poor are rich and the rich are poor!
Republicans generally spend more money than democrats, I think. Again, I'm not really concerned with tax cuts because, well we're the greatest country in the world and I don't know much about economy.
Why did Bush spend more? Well wars cost money you know! We can't improve our economy if we're being bombed to 1924.
"Did you know that the United States pours more money into its defense budget than all other countries combined?" And thats a bad thing, [I]why?[/I] We are the last superpower, an on top of that the U.S. is a huge country. We should be able to take on the whole world and come out victorious. Not that that would ever happen, but we should have a strong military. Defense is awesome.
I thank you for presenting the most legitimate argument so far.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=Oo.Twitch.oO]Ok George Bush Is about like Bill Cliton He is smart in some ways but,Dumb in many others.See at first George Bush was doing well his first 2-3 years nothing much was going wrong including the terrorist.
Well after the terrorist it toke time for him to get off his fucking ass to do something.
Anyways thats just one thing after his stupid thing in war now we in the usa have no fucking defense so hey if we get attacked we are fucked gg its over.
Also on the hurricane remarks the least bush could've done is help fema and not just give speechs.If you ever wonder why the stupid comdian carlos mencia makes alot of jokes about bush you are what he calls dee dee dee.Anyways point is Bush is in the top ten dumbiest presidents not best.
Atleast the worst thing clinton did was be a pimp lol.[/Quote]
Your grammar and profanity usage is just horrendous. Get off his ass and do something? He is the fucking president! He does more in one day than you will most likely do in your entire life!
"Anyways thats just one thing after his stupid thing in war now we in the usa have no fucking defense so hey if we get attacked we are fucked gg its over." You fucking idiot! You think we sent ALL our troops to the MidEast? We probably didn't even send 1/10th of our military power over there. We still have tremendous military power here. Not even talking about the first line of defense, police and SWAT, which alone could hold off an invasion from Iraq or Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. Speaking of which, how would they get here? They are the only ones who want us gone. They have no real naval power. You really need to use your head asshole.
Hurricane remarks. Bush ordered troops escorting supplies and construction materials sent there. He got things back under control. Carlos Mencia is a comedian and has nothing to do with defense.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=Ayra][Quote=Falkoner]Do you really think that if we had not retaliated to getting bombed then then terrorists would just stay happy with their one bombing? Bush is a great president, and he did fine after one of the worst presidents, Bill Clinton, who was one of the most intelligent presidents, but one of the worst.[/Quote]How is he a great president? He has sent the United States dollar to hell in comparison to almost all first world currencies. The national debt is a joke. Bush has successfully managed to invade a desert country half way across the world in the hope of creating a democracy amongst three primary religious groups whose representative have no inclination of legal or religious cooperation. How is attacking foreign nations going to discourage people from committing acts of terrorism? Al Qaida is now in no position to make an attack which is great except that many more groups in the Middle East are now working to exact vengeance on the country that invaded them.
[Quote=Falkoner]WMD's were discovered in Iraq, and plants to make them, so I don't know where you are coming from.[/Quote]Source please. They also found a Clefairy on the moon.-____-;; Iraq doesn't even have the ability to send a missile to the Atlantic or Pacific. Iraq is not a threat. Iran which would have the capabilities to develop a nuclear weapon program and distribute such weapons to countries that are in a potential position to launch an attack is a bigger concern, and the fact that North Korea has done missile and nuclear weapon tests can just of go under the radar as unimportant well.
[Quote=Falkoner]He didn't cause any wounds, he just came into office at a bad time, everyone would've been complaining about Bill Clinton if it had happened during his time too.
And you cannot say that the bombing of the trade towers was his fault, as it happened about a month after his election, meaning Bill Clinton was the person leading up to it.[/Quote]You are not a credible person as you don't know anything about United States history. Bush was inaugurated as president nine months before 9/11. People would be complaining about the attacks had Bill Clinton been in office, any person of such a political position in office would feel uneasy with such an even taking place. But to suggest a hypothetical situation where any president could do no better or worse than Bush and elicit the exact some response from the nation's people without any sort of historical basis while completely ignoring the economic condition the country is currently finding itself in is ludicrous.
~Ayra[/Quote]
I don't care how much the dollar is worth so I'm gonna skip that. Why did you mention that it was a desert country? Does that affect anything? This paragraph is laughable. Exact vengeance? You took that right out of Seinfeld. The other Terror Cells are weak and unorganized. They don't present much of a threat, yet.
I agree with your second paragraph. We should be laying siege to Iran by now. North Korea shouldn't be playing fucking games either but they still persist to build WMDs and get attention.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[Quote=Falkoner]Did you read your own post?
Also, factories capable of creating weapons of mass destruction [i]were[/i] found in Iraq when revisited, just no actual weapons. And I woudn't want to leave terrorists that bombed us sitting around, what Bush did was the intelligent thing to do.[/Quote]
Not only intelligent, it was necessary in order to strive to maintain our position as the world's greatest country.<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=Sie_Sayoka]dude.... falknor show us your resources. Because right now the Iraq war is a huge screw up, we went in with false information, we are trying to put a UN puppet into thier office, we are refusing to pull out (no dirty joke please >_>) when it is basically futile to stay in. There was no backing for invading Iraq other than the economical bonuses that the oil companies would recieve (and that is a HORRORBLE reason in itself)[/Quote]
There are no economical bonuses except that a ton of ammunition is being sold. Iraq is not a screw up. The Iraqi version of idiots are putting up a small fight. We had no false information. Reason to believe. We can't pull back now because our efforts will be wasted. It is not futile. We are stabilizing Iraq but General Petraeus is colossally pressured politically because many liberals think its a poltical matter. It is not. The fact is, its a military problem. The ambush teams should be hunted down and eradicated, which is not happening.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=EcHo]I was a Bush supporter since day one. He truely did do a good job, otherwise other countries wouldnt be fearing us. Opposing gay marriage and stem cell research is a +1 UP. I hope another president like Bush is elected in 08. Liberals = Terrorists.[/Quote]
You're right he did do a good job. But we don't want our allies to fear us, which they don't. I'm fine with gay marriage. I think stem cell research is a huge plus, I don't know why its so controversial. Why would anyone want to prevent progress? Liberals are not terrorists they are legitimate people like you and me with different political views. You are being very foolish.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=Sie_Sayoka]America has lost a lot of support by the nations of the UN. I wouldnt exactly say that they are fearing us, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and others didnt look like they feared us.[/Quote]
Maybe some of the Middle Eastern countries will now realize that we are not to be fooled around with.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=EcHo]That is too bad, I thought Russia was now part of the allies.[/Quote]
Russia is not much of a threat to us. They could put up a hell of a fight if there was a war but they don't want a war, therefor they are not a threat. They are not yet allies, but we're starting to become friends.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=Felagund]The terrorists would have bombed us no matter who was President. The terrorists have killed, let's see... maybe about 5,000 Americans since September 11. How many Iraqis have been collateral damage? I'd say that 250,000 casualties is the lower extreme. Besides EcHo, why do you want people to fear us? That's something very indicative of a tyranny, and a tyranny America ain't.[/Quote]
True, we are not and should not be a tyranny. But we must make a point that if you shove us, we are going to tackle you, crush you and bury you. BTW, 250,000 TERRORISTS have been killed. Terrorists are not Goddamn collateral damage. They are the main target. I mentioned this before, though.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=EcHo]You know, it's not Bush's fault on the things that are happening in Iraq. I blame the laws we have of the military such as "If the enemy shoots and then puts down their weapon, you cannot shoot back". If we had no such stupid rules we couldve won the war already and Bush would have been victorious.[/Quote]
You're thinking on a tactical level. You are wrong, U.S. soldiers are the best in the world and they know what they're doing. On a tactical level we're fine. I agree, it makes me angry too but then they get captured, probably thrown around a little and sent to interrogation at Guantanamo Bay.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=Doktor Shotgun][quote=EcHo]I dont even care. I got nothing to hide. Anyone who has something to hide is the one who complains about the patriot act.[/quote]
But what if you're a Indian like me, and a dissenter, like me?
I'm not doing anything wrong, but they could still lock me up.[/Quote]
No you dumbass we have LAWS. They cannot arrest you unless you did something wrong or are suspected of doing something wrong.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=Felagund]The funny thing is, they can lock you up and ship you out to a secret prison without following any kind of... judicial system. Some funny article in the Patriot Act...[/Quote]
Bullshit.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=Sie_Sayoka][QUOTE]You know, it's not Bush's fault on the things that are happening in Iraq. I blame the laws we have of the military such as "If the enemy shoots and then puts down their weapon, you cannot shoot back". If we had no such stupid rules we couldve won the war already and Bush would have been victorious.[/QUOTE]
It IS Bushs fault on how things are proceeding in Iraq. He has chosen not to pull out, which would of saved lives. Our army is not fully equipt to handle this kind of warfare, It does not have anything to do with the rules of war. If they put thier weapons down they surrender I do not know how it can possibly have any ill effect on us. Most of them do not even have guns, they are either suicide bombing or placing mines all over the place. And think again that war is just not about winning.[/Quote]
War is not just about winning you're right. Had we left a year ago, maybe a few hundred less Americans would be dead, yes, but then we sacrafice our strategic intent of disabling all terrorist factions. Not fully equipped? You've obviously never heard of a TO&E. We have enough to take on the Iraqi insurgents. You don't need much. Air support, armor, whatever. We have enough and you know nothing of military strategy. Maybe if the liberals would let us send another 75,000 troops less Americans would be killed every month.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][B][Quote=CaptainWill][Quote=GuN_Solar90][COLOR=#86EE59]He has led this country through some of the hardest times. He is truly, one of the Top 10 best American presidents in my eyes. I'll expand further if the discussion kicks off.
Intellectual comments, notes, anecdotes, stupidity, thoughtless statements, and flame welcome.
Ralph Nader not welcome.[/COLOR][/Quote]
Let me correct that first sentence:
"He has led this country into some of its hardest times."
Iraq War - I think it speaks for itself but I will elaborate if you want me to.[/Quote]
No you better not because you are a fool. I said before. After 9/11 war was inevitable. How could Bush have prevented 9/11? Everyone was just so comfortable that we had control. Our borders are still not fully secure. Open borders is bullshit we need more troops patrolling.[/B][/COLOR]<br />[COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=CaptainWill][Quote=devilesk][Quote=CaptainWill]
Iraq War - I think it speaks for itself but I will elaborate if you want me to.[/Quote]
Elaborate for me please. I don't know much.[/Quote]
Hmm, I don't know if that is actually you, devilesk, or someone assuming your name...
Anyway - the war in Iraq was a mistake. The given reasons for it were all wrong to begin with:
1. Iraq had WMDs and could threaten world peace.
We didn't find any after 4 years of searching. I think we can say with some confidence that they probably didn't exist.
2. We were bringing democracy to Iraq.
The very idea that a democratic system could work in a country like Iraq is absurd. Iraq is not suitable for democracy. It has multiple cultures who don't get on very well, and warring religious factions (Sunni and Shia). Whichever faction is the majority will form a government and oppress the minority because they hate them so much. In addition, Iraq has little or no feeling of nationalism. Nationalism is a necessary feeling for a democracy to develop, and the few middle-class nationalists are being driven out of the country or exterminated by death squads. Bush & Co. should really have sought the advice of diplomats and foreign-policy planners rather than trusting in their own blind judgement (which I'm sure is what they did).
3. War on Terror.
Saddam Hussein didn't support and fund terrorists; he quietly oppressed his own people. His Iraq was secular and he had little interest in religion. If the US had wanted to find a country which supports and funds terrorists then they should have looked at Iran.[/Quote]
What are you talking about of course its him.
1. I addressed the WMD issue above.
2. A democratic will work when they learn to stop bitching and make peace. If this is not possible then those extremists will be terminated immidiately. Democracy will work. I can you're just a regular Bush-hater because you address him as Bush & Co.
3. Saddam didn't quietly oppress his country. He executed them at will. He used gas to obliterate some cities. The United States considers chemical weaponry as a WMD. Launching WMDs at your own country for no good reason is not 'quiet.' He needed to be shut down.[/COLOR]<br />[Quote=Lakai][Quote=GuN_Solar90][COLOR=#86EE59]He has led this country through some of the hardest times.
Ralph Nader not welcome.[/COLOR][/Quote]
he did a great job during hurricane katrina...[/Quote]
He did an okay job. Things got out of hand a little but that was unexpected.
Are you really trying to use weather to put down George Bush?
You can't blame every fucking tragedy on the president. Should he not have done so many rain dances?<br /[B][COLOR=#CE091D]>[Quote=dumbducky]HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE SHAKING HANDS WITH THE SADDAM 20 YEARS AGO WF OMG IMPEACH BUSH!!!!1!11!!!!1!1
Lots of world leaders have met with other world leaders. Handshakes don't mean much, it's usually a greeting. That photo might be incriminating in some way, but there's no background information on it, no reliable source. For all I know, it's photoshop.[/Quote]
We worked with Iraq not a decade ago. CIA trained some of their troops in the art of war. We secretly gave them mortars and firearms to fight the Russians. They feel like we betrayed them by not helping them more.[/COLOR][/B]<br />[B][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=CaptainWill][Quote=MillenniumArmy][Quote=Lakai][Quote=GuN_Solar90]He has led this country through some of the hardest times.
Ralph Nader not welcome.[/COLOR][/Quote]
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he did a great job during hurricane katrina...[/Quote]
And the Louisiana officials did a [I]horrible [/I]job. My memory is a bit shaky, but I believe that the day the hurricane destroyed the city, the governor (or mayor) literally ran away, not wanting to deal with what was going on. So did the police.[/Quote]
As I recall it was more like 'Oh my God, get the white people out quickly!'[/Quote]
Fuck you. Racism is history.[/B][/COLOR]
[B][SIZE=11][COLOR=#CE091D][Quote=Oo.Twitch.oO][Quote=EcHo]You know, it's not Bush's fault on the things that are happening in Iraq. I blame the laws we have of the military such as "If the enemy shoots and then puts down their weapon, you cannot shoot back". If we had no such stupid rules we couldve won the war already and Bush would have been victorious.[/Quote]
Dude if bush was smart we could just bomb fucking iraq and be done with this gay shit.ECHO YOU ARE RETARTED bush is the dumbest president we have ever had.[/Quote]
Why are you such a dumbass! We are bombing Iraq. I don't know if you know it but you're referring to the Air Force. If you mean nuke, well, then you need to stop posting here buddy because this thread is for people with some knowledge of world events. You call Echo retarded, but it is you who looks like you have a learning disability. He is not the 'dumbest' president we've ever had.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
[SIZE=18][COLOR=#81A7EF]I've said my part. Thank those of you who contributed good arguments. You may continue to post if you feel there is reason to.[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[Quote=Sie_Sayoka][QUOTE]He has led this country through some of the hardest times. He is truly, one of the Top 10 best American presidents in my eyes. I'll expand further if the discussion kicks off.
Intellectual comments, notes, anecdotes, stupidity, thoughtless statements, and flame welcome.
Ralph Nader not welcome.[/QUOTE]
WHAT THE FUX?!
He has hurt Americas reputation and diplomatic relations to almost an unrepairable state, he has infringed our rights by spying on us, he has murdered thousands of people with this mistake of a war, he is possibly one of the worst and stupidest presidents of all time.[/Quote]
Now see, your answer is very vague, as is most liberal responses to my arguments. He has saved our reputation by sending military forces to Afghanistan and Iraq. 9/11 killed over 2,000 Americans, and you are saying we shouldn't retaliate? There are too many idiots with weapons in this world. Had we not taken out hundreds of thousands of terrorist insurgents, we would look like weak, pathetic fools walking away from being slapped in the face. We just proved that if we are not chew toys. What would have happened if we hadn't went in? Another attack. And another. So on. Unrepairable state you say? Well, it looks to me like you favor Middle Eastern Terror Cells.
Infringing our rights by spying on us eh? I assume you're referring to the Patriot Act. Tapping public phones and satellites and everything. Is that really spying on us? Your privacy is not hindered, and the U.S. government doesn't really care how much porn you download every day. The purpose of the legislation is to stop or at least hinder enemy action in our country.
Next lie, "He has murdered thousands of people." That sounds like he did it himself. The proper accusation would be, "He has caused the deaths of thousands of people." Over 3,000 American soldiers have been killed in action while in the War on Terror. It is sad, but they died defending the United States of America. "All wars have casualties." 20,000-30,000 civilian casualties have been calculated. Although it is a tragic loss, innocent people are destroyed in all conflicts. This conflict was inevitable since 9/11. I believe the number is much higher than it should be, but most of the casualties are inflicted by Saddam's troops murdering citizens. He did that before we went in and he was trying to destroy his country because he was a foolish, egocentric, possibly neurotic leader. We've all seen pictures of the oil fields that his troops set fire to before retreating. We have eliminated hundreds of thousands of terrorists, rebels and insurgents. We've liberated two countries and established democratic governments to replace the selfish previous rulers. We have made immense progress.
Finally, you say he is one of the "stupidest and worst presidents of all time." Stupid, why? He is one of the smartest people in the U.S. He's an undergrad and I believe he went to college in Connecticut. Bush has made it through the political ranks and leads our country. That alone shows that he is a very well educated man who knows what he is doing. I don't know who the worst president of all time was, but its not Bush. And the worst president still probably didn't do that bad a job. Its like saying 'John Smith is the least athletic player ever to win the Heisman trophy.' I believe you think he is 'stupid' because he has had some grammar mistakes in his speeches from time to time. Thats okay, we all make mistakes right? Why don't you talk to 250 million people and try not to studder.
BTW I saw on MoveOn.org, the anti-war site, that it says "Stop Bush and Cheney's obstruction of justice!" I could not believe my eyes it was the most foolish thing anyone has ever stated seriously. Obstruction of justice... Really running out of ideas, idiots. What, did Bush make a deal with the corporations to start a war in order to sell more bananas? Pfft, some of you liberals make me laugh and tousle your hair. And some others make me want to kill you.
I think I have made my point. Bush is good. We are victorious. Progress has been made.<br /> [Quote=Sie_Sayoka][Quote=TitanWing]That would be the personal opinion of the average undereducated Bush hater.  [/Quote]
jeez... thanks for calling me ignorant
yes we did get bombed, and we did decimate the taliban thats all good and all but what do you say to iraq? Saddam was not harboring WMDs he was not concealing any terrorists and dont pull "oh he was a tyrant" because take a look at Darfur should we invade them as well along with the other half of the world? His decision to stay in Iraq is consting thousands of lives, not just from our soldiers and the insurgents but for the civilians of iraq as well. We stepped into a civil |
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