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[2017-11-05. : 5:56 pm]  NudeRaider -- rare footage of SI with one of his cats: https://i.imgur.com/FQJdKk2.mp4[2017-11-05. : 5:41 pm]  Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: lil-Inferno What was bisu up to with the proxy pylon? Probably was going to proxy DTs and/or Reavers there[2017-11-05. : 5:37 pm] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Look at this map and the cheese it enabled Flash to do against Bisu: https://youtu.be/I4E3wPegaQU What was bisu up to with the proxy pylon?[2017-11-05. : 5:33 pm] Excalibur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Excalibur completely boxed in? I tried a lot of different and weird stuff because I don't have the ability to execute rotational symmetry or deco like Freakling / Crackling / Testbug ect. [2017-11-05. : 5:30 pm] Excalibur -- Also http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=3251 and http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=3287 are super memey[2017-11-05. : 5:29 pm] NudeRaider -- Inf, do you think that playing Kim on weird maps would improve your win chances, decrease them or remain the same?[2017-11-05. : 5:29 pm] Excalibur -- http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=3885 http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=4040 http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=4574 http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=3599 My meme-est maps imo.[2017-11-05. : 5:25 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Make Inferno fite Kim on weird maps and stream LMAO  [2017-11-05. : 5:25 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I'm aware. And I understand from the competitive point of view. But especially in show matches I'd like some variety. Just to spice things up. Would also be interesting to get them to play a map they've never seen except from the minimap preview and then let them figure it out on the go. So play them and stream. X^D[2017-11-05. : 5:21 pm] lil-Inferno -- Look at this map and the cheese it enabled Flash to do against Bisu: https://youtu.be/I4E3wPegaQU[2017-11-05. : 5:21 pm] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: It's not like there hasn't ever been interesting maps in pro leagues tho I liked the map where you had a shortcut through the middle where only small units would fit through.[2017-11-05. : 5:19 pm] NudeRaider -- *not just never seen, but also completely unconventional and potentially unbalanced. - if possible give each race some feature they can capitalize on.[2017-11-05. : 5:19 pm] lil-Inferno -- It's not like there hasn't ever been interesting maps in pro leagues tho[2017-11-05. : 5:18 pm] NudeRaider -- I'm aware. And I understand from the competitive point of view. But especially in show matches I'd like some variety. Just to spice things up. Would also be interesting to get them to play a map they've never seen except from the minimap preview and then let them figure it out on the go.[2017-11-05. : 5:15 pm] Moose -- Yeah, I would imagine the trends of competitively-played maps went through a natural selection / evolution process to lead to what we have today and that the ramps and chokes are a part of that.[2017-11-05. : 5:15 pm] Excalibur -- Ya, Blizz map, 5 min fields 2 squares too far from cc, gas 5 squares too far, no actual nat. smh.[2017-11-05. : 5:14 pm] Excalibur -- Modern nats are designed to let Z do stuff like wall w/evo chambers and shit.[2017-11-05. : 5:14 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Granted in Tau Cross you can completely blocc the entrance to your main with one building, but w/e You would usually want to Sauron it up with some tech buildings in front of colonies[2017-11-05. : 5:14 pm] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider I don't think there are any in the matchmaking rotation right now, but I can think of a few without ramps like Tau Cross probably also not open either, I assume? Those I've seen without ramps still always (I think?) had a single choke[2017-11-05. : 5:13 pm] Excalibur -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Excalibur Buy some damn meat, season it up, and put it in the oven or frying pan or w/e, you got that shit. I'm going grocery shopping but I'm not doing that plus cooking on the same day-off. Too much effort. Grocery -> Drive Thru -> Home to be lazy af.[2017-11-05. : 5:13 pm] lil-Inferno -- Granted in Tau Cross you can completely blocc the entrance to your main with one building, but w/e[2017-11-05. : 5:12 pm] Moose -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Help me pick my poison fam. D: Buy some damn meat, season it up, and put it in the oven or frying pan or w/e, you got that shit.[2017-11-05. : 5:12 pm] lil-Inferno -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: so I assumed. Would just be nice to have *some* maps that dont force long games I don't think there are any in the matchmaking rotation right now, but I can think of a few without ramps like Tau Cross[2017-11-05. : 5:11 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider There are some builds specifically meant for destroying an enemy's FE (if not destroying them outright) and then expanding behind that so you get the eco advantage and map control This. You pretty much get to take your expo with very low risk while they regroup.[2017-11-05. : 5:11 pm] NudeRaider -- so I assumed. Would just be nice to have *some* maps that dont force long games[2017-11-05. : 5:11 pm] lil-Inferno -- Although if you can contain your enemy at their main ramp they're pretty fucced anyway LMAO[2017-11-05. : 5:10 pm] lil-Inferno -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 thats not the same. If you try a 1-base rush vs. a fe and the main has a ramp you can't get up he'll still have better eco on his main because how ridiculously little you need to def a ramp. There are some builds specifically meant for destroying an enemy's FE (if not destroying them outright) and then expanding behind that so you get the eco advantage and map control[2017-11-05. : 5:10 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider The lost FE wasn't free. sure if you just kill the expo with a couple units and eco up. but not if you want a game ending push.[2017-11-05. : 5:09 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 thats not the same. If you try a 1-base rush vs. a fe and the main has a ramp you can't get up he'll still have better eco on his main because how ridiculously little you need to def a ramp. The lost FE wasn't free.[2017-11-05. : 5:09 pm] Excalibur -- Tru, u rite u rite. What fast food should I get today boys? BK, McD, TBell, or Wen-dee?[2017-11-05. : 5:08 pm] Moose -- I think the win % in competitive play by race would tell us more than anyone. Doubt we have it for that map, though.[2017-11-05. : 5:08 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider You probably want to look for naturals for more variation. One-base play doesn't seem terribly common anyway. thats not the same. If you try a 1-base rush vs. a fe and the main has a ramp you can't get up he'll still have better eco on his main because how ridiculously little you need to def a ramp.[2017-11-05. : 5:07 pm] Excalibur -- @Moose IDK, I feel like Freakling is way more qualified to speak about balance than any of us are being that he makes ICCUP maps and stuff. I think hes got at least one map into OSL too.[2017-11-05. : 5:06 pm] Excalibur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Excalibur ... and a lot of stasis fields lol Disruption webs you mean?  [2017-11-05. : 5:06 pm] NudeRaider -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: @Nude http://www.panschk.de/mappage/pics/4626.jpg This one. ... and a lot of stasis fields lol[2017-11-05. : 5:05 pm] Moose -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: @Nude http://www.panschk.de/mappage/pics/4626.jpg This one. Yeah, I'd be learning Z or T if I ever played this LMAO[2017-11-05. : 5:03 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I don't know I'd like some maps sprinkled in where bases are pretty open, just to see all the cheeses and rushes this enables. Could also sprinkle in narrow maps to put zerg at a disadvantage there. You probably want to look for naturals for more variation. One-base play doesn't seem terribly common anyway.[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] lil-Inferno -- Ramps do help with some cheese actually, particularly for Terran. If you fall bacc to the ramp with a marine rush you can create a funnel for the opponent's workers[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] Excalibur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I don't know I'd like some maps sprinkled in where bases are pretty open, just to see all the cheeses and rushes this enables. Could also sprinkle in narrow maps to put zerg at a disadvantage there. Showmatches happen from time to time on non-serious maps. There's a well made but very experimental map on BWMN that I think Flash or someone played on. Let me link it.[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] Moose -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: lil-Inferno Ya I getchu. But to the absurd point: A lot of the time its an opportunity for the person who's 'dead' to build back up, which is a threat, but considered good sportsmanship to let them. If you're really 'better' they shouldn't be able to come back from nothing and win. I think you're confusing "better" with "better than the person they bopped and also their other living healthly teammates put together"[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] NudeRaider -- I don't know I'd like some maps sprinkled in where bases are pretty open, just to see all the cheeses and rushes this enables. Could also sprinkle in narrow maps to put zerg at a disadvantage there.[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] lil-Inferno -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: lil-Inferno Or speed vults. IMO Protoss would be the most disadvantaged in terms of exploiting a map design like this. lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: ya, definitely In pro games I've seen lings can just bop hella probes if they slip in because zealots can't catch up to them until later tech[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] Excalibur -- I made at least 2-3 old players rage from using maps that didn't mine like shit and actually playing to win. |
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