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[2016-11-10. : 6:30 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- can't you just mark "Other" or "Prefer not to say" on your race? xD[2016-11-10. : 6:28 am]  CecilSunkure -- But when we started this conversation you were fixated on race and seemed to express that this fixation was justifiable by pointing to past race crimes[2016-11-10. : 6:27 am] CecilSunkure -- Notice how we didn't need to bring in past race crimes, or white guilt, or race at all. I think this is really important.[2016-11-10. : 6:27 am] CecilSunkure -- So it sounds like it's definitely way better to focus on income disparity, as opposed to racial disparity[2016-11-10. : 6:26 am] CecilSunkure -- This will have racial, social, and emotional consequences that are extremely negative. CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: These are all horrible things, and these horrible feelings are completely validated by the racist policy of SAT score adjustments. CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: They will feel like they need a handicap because they are black. CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: They will feel horrible, like something is wrong with them. They will feel like they were mistreated by the system, and that they are victims of modern day racism. CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: It hasn't worked as intended, hence we are talking about it. Also why would it work? If black people are told they are smart enough and have prerequisite knowledge to attend higher education, get there, and then struggle, how do you think they will feel? [2016-11-10. : 6:26 am] CecilSunkure -- BUT. The current state is that not just low-income students, but all black students get racially adjusted test scores.[2016-11-10. : 6:25 am] CecilSunkure -- And we both probably agree that if that happens, then those highly educated and skilled students will lift their community out of poverty over time[2016-11-10. : 6:24 am] CecilSunkure -- That would shoot poor students, especially those from poor black communities suffering a geographic and economic poverty spiral, straight into higher education[2016-11-10. : 6:23 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- ok, then raise the test scores of those who come from low-income families[2016-11-10. : 6:22 am] CecilSunkure -- I end up answering all of your points, and you fail to acknowledge that adjusting scores is racist[2016-11-10. : 6:21 am] CecilSunkure -- "Because more blacks would have opportunity for higher education." You will respond. OK. Fine. More blacks will get the chance to go to higher education. OK. But I think the problem in the K-12 sector, not in getting into good schools.[2016-11-10. : 6:20 am] CecilSunkure -- SO THEN WHY WOULD RACIALLY ADJUSTING THE SCORES MAGICALLY WORK[2016-11-10. : 6:20 am] CecilSunkure -- And in the end we all agree that SAT scores shouldn't be adjusted across the board, because that's not addressing a real problem.[2016-11-10. : 6:20 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: I agree with what Ahli said on that: Ahli The non-racist and correct response would be to lower SAT score requirements across the board. To which you will respond "but that won't solve the socioeconomic problem with income disparity". I will respond "it's an economic problem, not a socio-racial problem".[2016-11-10. : 6:20 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- and some will succeed, and they are the ones who will be rewarded more scholarships to continue[2016-11-10. : 6:19 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- obviously they're not going to be giving scholarships to like some 8th grade dropout[2016-11-10. : 6:18 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: like here CecilSunkure you are suggesting that black people are actually incapable or undercapable, which, if you actually mean it, is legit racist I said "if a black person struggled". That's a hypothetical situation to describe cause and effect. That's not racist[2016-11-10. : 6:18 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- like here CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: It hasn't worked as intended, hence we are talking about it. Also why would it work? If black people are told they are smart enough and have prerequisite knowledge to attend higher education, get there, and then struggle, how do you think they will feel? you are suggesting that black people are actually incapable or undercapable, which, if you actually mean it, is legit racist[2016-11-10. : 6:17 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I agree with what Ahli said on that: AhliAhli shouted: I assume that more people can pass in a university than there are accepted, cecil [2016-11-10. : 6:17 am] CecilSunkure -- These are all horrible things, and these horrible feelings are completely validated by the racist policy of SAT score adjustments.[2016-11-10. : 6:16 am] CecilSunkure -- They will feel like they need a handicap because they are black.[2016-11-10. : 6:16 am] CecilSunkure -- They will feel horrible, like something is wrong with them. They will feel like they were mistreated by the system, and that they are victims of modern day racism.[2016-11-10. : 6:16 am] CecilSunkure -- It hasn't worked as intended, hence we are talking about it. Also why would it work? If black people are told they are smart enough and have prerequisite knowledge to attend higher education, get there, and then struggle, how do you think they will feel?[2016-11-10. : 6:14 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Like that's some hardcore devil's advocate going on here, or you really do believe in your arguments no, I think you're thinking I have a position on some war against white people[2016-11-10. : 6:14 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure It's historical racism from segregation laws, by being forced into ghettos with underfunded schools, that nobody bothered trying to fix --> white guilt[2016-11-10. : 6:13 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I'm saying that if it works as I think is intended, and I haven't looked in to it or looked in to effectiveness or anything, it will be self-resolving. I do agree CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion Yeah, because of K-12 geographic/economic problems is a huge part, but as higher education becomes more critical there are those who cannot afford it[2016-11-10. : 6:12 am] CecilSunkure -- im leaning to the latter, and think white guilt is very serious![2016-11-10. : 6:12 am] CecilSunkure -- Like that's some hardcore devil's advocate going on here, or you really do believe in your arguments[2016-11-10. : 6:12 am] lil-Inferno -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: Trump supporters literally said they would rather have the next Hitler than Clinton yeah every single one of them said that[2016-11-10. : 6:12 am] CecilSunkure -- And I'm just starting not to believe you when you say: FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure I never said I agreed with that particular policy. But I agree the issue it's trying to tackle is legitimate I just have trouble believing you[2016-11-10. : 6:10 am] CecilSunkure -- Sorry messed my quote up. Things that sound like white guilt: FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Whites get richer, blacks get poorer [2016-11-10. : 6:10 am] CecilSunkure -- But you keep bringing up things that sound like white guilt CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion and you seem to defend racist policy with a "means justify the ends" attitude FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Improved test scores -> higher acceptance in to colleges -> higher education available for an entire population who would not normally have it available -> better jobs for said people -> can afford better educations for their children -> such policies stop being necessary [2016-11-10. : 6:08 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure and yet there are still fewer by percent Yeah, because of K-12 geographic/economic problems[2016-11-10. : 6:08 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion that was hyperbole based on the shout before it[2016-11-10. : 6:08 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: And to directly address your concern with black priveledge, farty, here's a google search for black scholarships. If we do the same for white scholarships we see clearly blacks have way more oppurtunities for higher education and yet there are still fewer by percent[2016-11-10. : 6:08 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Whites get richer, blacks get poorer [2016-11-10. : 6:07 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I wasn't saying it was white vs.black, I said ghettos specifically[2016-11-10. : 6:07 am] CecilSunkure -- See you say that, but then you also say "white vs black income problem"[2016-11-10. : 6:06 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: However, I do believe the rich have a responsibility to help the poor CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Focus should be placed on income disparity, and all inclinations of injecting race into policies and action items should be avoided I agree[2016-11-10. : 6:05 am] CecilSunkure -- Notice how I'm really careful not to let any social or racial reasoning creep into identifying the problem. If I do that then it suddenly becomes really easy to propose racist policies as "fixes"[2016-11-10. : 6:04 am] CecilSunkure -- I really don't think blacks have a problem in reality with oppurtunity for higher education. I think problems are in the K-12 public sector. And I don't think these are racist problems, but geographic and economic problems. NOT socioeconomic. Just economic.[2016-11-10. : 6:03 am] CecilSunkure -- And to directly address your concern with black priveledge, farty, here's a google search for black scholarships. If we do the same for white scholarships we see clearly blacks have way more oppurtunities for higher education[2016-11-10. : 6:00 am] CecilSunkure -- That's the only way to end racism. Racism will only end when we stop talking about it[2016-11-10. : 6:00 am] CecilSunkure -- Focus should be placed on income disparity, and all inclinations of injecting race into policies and action items should be avoided[2016-11-10. : 5:59 am] CecilSunkure -- However, I do believe the rich have a responsibility to help the poor[2016-11-10. : 5:59 am] CecilSunkure -- And I don't believe modern day whites should feel guilty in any way for past race crimes. Thrusting guilt onto a race of people that didn't commit any race crime in their entire life is racist[2016-11-10. : 5:58 am] CecilSunkure -- I don't think solving a racial disparity problem (as in, lower % of black pop attending higher education in certain geographic areas) with a racist SAT adjusting policy is going to work (and proof of it not working is our present reality)[2016-11-10. : 5:48 am]  Fire_Kame -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/293/590/6f6.gif https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8tKPPUCQAAJdnU.jpg[2016-11-10. : 5:47 am] CecilSunkure -- Anyway, I think white guilt is a huge problem, and totally racist. So if anyone feels that way maybe they should at least be aware of why[2016-11-10. : 5:46 am] CecilSunkure -- "White guilt is the individual or collective guilt felt by some white people for harm resulting from racist treatment of ethnic minorities by other white people both historically and currently."[2016-11-10. : 5:45 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: CecilSunkure I was hoping to find a clip of Archer laughing and saying "yes" but I am not jjf and could not find one in time I have that problem all the time [2016-11-10. : 5:44 am] Fire_Kame -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Fire_Kame It's shitty to want someone to feel bad? I was hoping to find a clip of Archer laughing and saying "yes" but I am not jjf and could not find one in time |
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