What the hell is your point? You act as if you didn't even read the quote to which you were replying.
Also, in*.


First sentence=that's his point. Second sentence=you totally fail to connect analogies. You are the one saying smoking pot is 'immoral', and he is saying that it doesn't necessaraily make it the right opinion, and it could someday in the future be perfectly alright if people would just accept it that way. By the way, smoking pot in it of itself isn't immoral, it's illegal.


No, but that's not even related at all to any points that have been made, so what are you talking about.


I am relatively positive you're the only one here who made the proposition that everyone smoke. So although your point may be true, it's irrelevant. Nearly everything you have said is irrelevant. It's all red herring nay-say.


Well, what you said is entirely baseless. So, he was merely pointing out he has never taken them, as by your displayed requirements for the basis of a conclusion you could have easily accused his sole reason for arguing as being the same one you accused yenku. He made a fair statement.

Your points fail in their presentation.

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well i dont do anything stronger then weed becuase then id feel bad about myself. id think that im doing it for a bad reason liek i have no freinds or somehting since it feels like ppl who do strong drugs are into weird shit.

ill stik with weed man 10 bucks a little bag is all i can afford anyways. and blacks lol...they make me sleepy.

Is this you admitting that you were completely off-base? It seems to the be the only sensible reason you would post this.

Man, trying to debate with Falkoner is like trying to debate with Frazz.

So if some new drug comes out that even one lick will make your skin burn on fire humans will still live? I know rats have that ability cause there born with a maximum immune system that destroys poisons but humans? I'm sorry, but this seems to far fetched.

Were not talking about instant death drugs are we?

No.

No, I'm posting it in reply to this:


But seriously, do the majority of successful people smoke? No, so why smoke?

"But seriously, do the majority of successful people smoke? No, so why smoke?"

The majority of successful billionaires are stuck up pricks.
Does that mean we should be stuck up pricks too?

The majority of successful people also don't play starcraft.
So why play starcraft?

Your point is irrelevant.

Here ya go Falkoner, a couple big time fallacies you are committing here.

Red Herring
Numerum

Is there any correlation between people playing StarCraft and being successful?


I wasn't talking about billionaires, I was talking about a person who ends up with a good family, job, and overall, a good life.

You missed the point where the majority has little to do with what is true, stop focusing on the quality of that majority and look at the general idea.

Most illegal drugs (including crack and ecstacy) can kill you the first time you use them. Don't take the chance. Moderation doesn't matter if one pill, or one whiff can kill you, now does it?

Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (Ecstacy) works by causing your heart to beat faster, and work harder, making your body go into a kind of "overdrive". This induces many of the sensations that ecstacy addicts enjoy when high. Unfortunately, for the same reason you get your high, any action you do will heat your body more than usual. This doesn't sound like a bad thing at first does it? Let's put it this way: A cheetah can walk for a very long time, as it is not over-stressing its body and producing too much heat. However, when a cheetah makes that record breaking sprint, it produces so much heat, that even though it could keep running, it will stop to prevent damage to its internal organs, or cook itself alive.

In this case, you being on ecstacy and doing just about any kind of physical activity (including walking) even for a short period of time, could cause dangerous levels of heat in your body. Many addicts will try to cool off by drinking some kind of liquid, but even that could be dangerous. If some one drank 25 litres (6 gallons) of water, they WILL die. This is because of a cellular process known as osmosis. Your blood cells will try to equalize themselves with th surrounding environment, which would normally be a good thing, because they can now transfer nutrients throughout your body. If you're wondering what I mean by equalize, I will provide a simple example. The outside environment is 50% water, and there is no water in your blood. Your blood will then absorb the water until they are 25% water, and the environment is 25% water also. When you drink 25 litres(6 gallons) of water too quickly, your blood cells will try to equalize, until they go over their capacity, and their cell membranes will pop, killing all of the blood cells in your body in mere minutes. However the more common case is that the increased amount of water in your bloodstream will increase your blood pressure, causing a headache, possible brain damage, and even death. Don't forget all the other posts in this thread, and you've got a lot of ways to die because you wanted to enjoy your high.

I almost forgot to mention "designer drugs". These are those drugs that usually look pretty and colorful (like ecstacy pills). They are made like that to make idiots think drugs can be fun. Often these designer drugs will not even contain the drugs you had intended to buy in the first place, and often kill the user without giving the high they desired in the first place. Drug dealers do not care if their clients die, so long as they can still get some money. Most drug dealers don't care where they get their drugs from, or specific dosages. Even if you buy from the same source twice, they could give you more of the drug than last time, increasing your risk of overdosing and drug induced ailments. I seriously think you should stop before you kill yourself. Surely you have something to look forward to in your future, right?

What is that even supposed to mean JordanN? I'll have you know I have researched this more than any other individual I know who hasn't become professional in the subject. I know that these are not necessarily harmful and have great benefits to use if done correctly and in the right amounts. It is all about being responsible. I'll have you know, this drug war is causing great damage in America. If we instead legalize, educate and regulate, people can be happy with what they do, they will not get in needless trouble, and many can keep healthy. Also, addicts will not be treated as criminals, they will be treated as medical patients, as they should be. Do you know how many things marihuana can help?
One thing I don't do is coke. America was stupid to synthesize it as a stimulant because it is so damaging. However, if you instead use a coca plant the way it has been used for thousands of years, the effects are GREATLY reduced to a point where a high is noticeable, nutrition is gained and it ISN'T harmful.[/quote]

Indeed, Thats why Ron Paul would stop the "War on Drugs" program if he becomes president.

Ecstasy will only kill you your first time using it if you dont hydrate yourself, if you over hydrate your self, and if you over work your heart. Also if youre allergic which is very very unlikely, and rare.
lets put it like this on your post

FAIL.
TRUE
FAIL.

First One: Ecstasy works by taking mass quantities of serotonin (along with dopamine and norepinephrine) to bind to receptors in your brain, and basically does so in such a manner that your brain does not have time to regenerate enough serotonin for normal brain function. Yes your heart does beat faster thats true. Your whole "Walking a short period of time will give you a heart attack" thing is false.
Ive played basketball while rolling (Which means under the influence of MDMA) ive Ran, Ive Walked ALOT without getting a heart attack. Its called be smart drink a bottle of water if your going to work your heart, Walking is a exception of not having to drink waterunless youve been doing it for hours. People DANCE for 8 hours straight they dont get heart attacks unless they dont stop and dont drink water. Stop scaring people and get your educate yourself more on MDMA.

Third One: Yeah dealers dont care about you they want money. But think of it this way, If a dealer puts chemicals in there pill that can kill people they will LOSE money, and Business. Overdose? haha. i know people that have taken more then 8 strong pills in one night.

If you think ECSTASY kills alot of people please read this.
since 1990, according to the DEA there have only been 91 deaths in which the only drug in the users system is MDMA. Almost every ecstasy related death that has occurred has been from heat exhaustion (caused by not drinking water) or from a heart attack (caused by dancing or strenuous movement for long periods of time without resting). The victims of these deaths have shown in their autopsies to contain more than just MDMA (ecstasy), but significant amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and/or alcohol, which when mixed with MDMA which can disorient the user and make him/her unaware of the stress they are putting their bodies under, and unable to regulate their body temperatures. Compare these 91 people that have died in the past 17 years, as opposed to the 10,000+ alcohol related deaths that occur each year.


Thank you.

Yeah, and I'm sure you're still young and healthy, what about when you are older and you can't stop because you got addicted when younger? That's when you start having the big problems.

Great assumption

You fail already, so leave.

Theres no addiction to it
Actually the only addiction is a psychological addiction
which means youre mind craves it because of the effects.
OR
People that want to get rid of there problems so they take it.

But thats for people with no self control. and i suggest people who have those issues dont do drugs at all or else
yeah, there fucked.

Im not addicted =] its just something fun to do with a bunch of friends

You say you have the control now, but I'm betting you couldn't stop, even if you wanted to.

I used to smoke pot everyday, and one day I decided to quit. I haven't smoked since or had the urge to.

Take your ignorant views elsewhere Falkoner.