[02:00 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- see the problem is that Windows probably gonna eat 20gb and a game like TF2 is like 2gb?
[01:59 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- night zany
[01:59 am]
rockz -- fyi, the 720QM scales up to 2.8 GHz as it is needed. However, the 240 is much worse than the 260 johnny posted. If you want a good computer, get the i7. If you want good graphics, get the 260.
[01:59 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- i already have a 1tb external
[01:58 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- so your gonna trade 500gb for 60gb ssd?
[01:58 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- 11pm and i got a long road trip tomorrow. Gnight SEN.
[01:58 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- 60GB of SSD costs $200. I'm going to add SSD to any laptop that does not have it
[01:57 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- the lonovo is better than the toshiba
[01:57 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114720 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146613
[01:57 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- you cant have high battery life and high gaming
[01:56 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- which laptop!?!? we were talking about so many
[01:56 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- to that last link: no. it's battery life is too short. 1-2 hours. more than anything, I want 3+ hours of life.
[01:56 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Ok then that laptop looks fine. But check with Ex first maybe ;o
[01:54 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- im aiming for $800-1300. But the money I save i can spend on other stuff, like a good mouse. And ice cream. I like ice cream.
[01:54 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- and you mean 6gb ddr3 ram
[01:54 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- O wait, that link wasn't just an i7 CPU...I thought it was a bit expensive for a CPU
[01:54 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- which one is that one? I dont think they have 260m and i7..
[01:53 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- lol
[01:53 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- If money is no issue, let's just get him an i7 with 8gb of DDR3 and the biggest SSD and baddest gfx card ;D
[01:51 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- but it lacks ddr3 ram
[01:51 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220639
[01:51 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- That's i7, mate. And 1000USD. And overkill.
[01:50 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- no? but its i7
[01:50 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- P8xxx or T9xxx dual cores is nice
[01:50 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- money is not an issue, as I'm not paying for the computer, my parents are (well, they are paying most of it)
[01:50 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- LOLNO
[01:50 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146613 what about this core?
[01:49 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Dual core? 2ghz or there-abouts.
[01:49 am]
Enoptromancy -- Nothing too extreme, you could get away with 2x2GHz there.
[01:48 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- how many GHz of the core should i get?
[01:48 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- O noes it's the aussie! *runs and hides*
[01:47 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- FFP with a decent dual core and a few gigs of RAM, alt-tabbing shouldn't lag. But if i5 isn't significantly more expensive, then get one of those ;o
[01:47 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- Ahh, a newcommer to the chat and to SEN. Welcome, Enoptromancy!
[01:46 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- those are pretty low end though you can do that with a dual core pretty ezly
[01:46 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- all at the same thime. at least that's what i'm aiming for
[01:46 am]
Enoptromancy -- If I recall, the RAM on the video card is only usable by the GPU on the card.
[01:46 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- if u want to know what im doing with the laptop: mozilla +microsoft word +notepad +starcraft and/or otehr game + alt tabbing. a lot of alt tabbing.
[01:44 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Rockz, for what he's doing, i7 is overkill. i5 too, so anything decent and cheap will work. Then a mid-to-high end gfx card and a few gigs of RAM.
[01:44 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- 2 cards or more is usually desktop
[01:43 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- 1) gddr is from the graphics card, right? what if I get 2 cards? or does that only help if the program has compatibility with 2 cards?
[01:43 am]
rockz -- No, you can't build a custom laptop. It's woefully inefficient, and pretty hard to do.
[01:43 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- you wont be able to custom build one yourself if thats what you are asking somewebsite do make custom laptops though
[01:43 am]
rockz -- You can run a virus scanner and play a game without much noticeable lag in the background, for example, with a quad core.
[01:43 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- 2) is it wise to custom build a laptop? (putting the individual peices together)
[01:43 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- you cant
[01:42 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- ok. 2 more questions. 1) how does I get more gddrX?
[01:42 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Those ones say 'lower is better' ;o
[01:42 am]
rockz -- Most programs now are being coded for multithreaded work, so having 4 cores isn't that bad a deal. What's really nice is the ability to actually multitask.
[01:41 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- did you really look? there are some things that the i5 lose in
[01:40 am]
rockz -- two identical "GHz" processors, both at 2.66 GHz, both with 4 cores. The i5 outclasses it by a large margin in everything, due to architecture.
[01:40 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- lol.. then ill need like 90GHz. (and the threading is only spead up if the program has the coding for it, else it goes at the same speed as 1 core)
[01:39 am]
rockz -- Here you go.
[01:39 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Sandy bridge will be epic.
[01:38 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Uhh, process-intensive programs? Mozilla/chrome with over 100 tabs open, stuff like that.
[01:38 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- sandy bridge is taking forever
[01:37 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- You won't need an i7. Core 2 duo is plenty for anything you'll be doing.
[01:36 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Mhmm but also it can run multiple threads side by side so programs with quadcore support go even faster. IIRC.
[01:35 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- what things do required data to be processed? (example plz)
[01:35 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- for i7 quad, its just the GHz * 4, right?
[01:33 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- assuming that a program has muticore support yes an i7 can do that
[01:33 am]
rockz -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR5
[01:33 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- yeah...in which games are a program which does require data to be processed
[01:33 am]
rockz -- a core i7 can process a WHOLE LOT MORE DATA than a core 2 can per cycle.
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link plz
[01:32 am]
rockz -- the GHz reported is the frequency at which the processor handles data
[01:32 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- link
[01:31 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- O wow, wikipedia just blew my mind. Some of the gddr5 cards are better than whole computers were a few years ago...
[01:29 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- Why doesnt ghz matter?
[01:29 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- oh. whats GHz for then?
[01:29 am]
rockz -- GHz doesn't matter at all
[01:28 am]
rockz -- gddr5 is only found on ATi I think, though.
[01:28 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- yeah 240m is fine for TF2
[01:28 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- so... what is a good GHz total for the laptop? (the NVIDIA GeForce GT 240M; 1GB GDDR3 video memory should suffice, right>)
[01:28 am]
rockz -- gddr3 >> gddr2. ddr3 >= ddr2.
[01:27 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Aight I'm gonna go read up on gddr and then sleep, gnight.
[01:27 am]
Tuxedo-Templar -- gnite, sen
[01:27 am]
rockz -- i7 and i5 beat the crap out of everything
[01:26 am]
rockz -- Gddr5 is video RAM, designed entirely differently from the RAM the CPU uses.
[01:26 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- I am not sure how the i7 and i5 perform in gaming. But they might work because they have that turbo boost thing that raises the clock multiplier in low temp or something.
[01:25 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- from what i've heard, DDR3 is only slightly better than DDR2
[01:25 am]
rockz -- Nobody sells gddr2 anymore. The cheap stuff is gddr3, but just about all the dedicated graphics cards now have 512 MB or more. the lenovo has 1 GB gddr3.
[01:25 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- is DDR5 siginificantly better than DDR3? and is DDR3 much better than DDR2?
[01:25 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Orly? Wait so why isn't there DDR5 for RAM?
[01:24 am]
rockz -- Graphics cards have had ddr3 memory for AGES. Like 2005... The new stuff is gddr5.
[01:24 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- So 256mb DDR3 would be plenty for him. IDK enough about GPUs to help though
[01:23 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- nothing specific. but... "I'm aiming TF2 on normal, Dragon Age on normal (or high?), mass effect on normal."
[01:22 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- Some gfx cards do not have DDR3 It depends on the chipset
[01:22 am]
rockz -- It depends entirely on the architecture. 1.6 GHz doesn't sound like much, but it's an i7, and a quad core at that.
[01:22 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- What do you want to play
[01:22 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Can you get gfx cards with DDR3 memory?(or the gfx card equivalent)
[01:22 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- and does the "720QM" on "Intel Core i7 720QM(1.6GHz)" mean anything? is it jsut an id name?
[01:21 am]
rockz -- Games are limited by graphics card GPU. Memory is irrelevant past 256 MB for most simple games on low resolutions. For me, only oblivion uses more than 256 MB.
[01:20 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- ok. and how much is a "good" GHz amount?
[01:19 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- Even if you turn all the graphics settings all down you still need a pretty good processor to play the game
[01:19 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146613
[01:17 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- What laptop are we talking about now? Because the first laptop he presented had a T7450 which really sucks. I had a T7500 and they burn hot when playing L4d
[01:17 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- so... games are limited by graphics card memory?
[01:15 am]
rockz -- Program speed is all CPU. Most games are Graphics, however, you can change the settings on graphics to be limited by either GPU (high graphics) or CPU (low graphics).
[01:14 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- I would buy a better laptop and switch the hard drive with an ssd one
[01:13 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- wouldnt*
[01:12 am]
rockz -- I read the tom's hardware review on ssds. Apparently they're wrong, or ssds have gotten much better.
[01:12 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- what usually limits program speed/graphics: processor speed, or HS speed? (ignoring ram)
[01:12 am]
O)MasterJohnny -- if its for gaming I would buy this laptop because of the processor
[01:10 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Yeah SSDs are like having all your HD at the speed of RAM ;o
[01:09 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- "SSDs are faster than hard drives (up to hundreds of times faster), use less power," that's my main reason for wanting SSD, even if it is pricey
[01:07 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- i know. I can just switch the keys
[01:06 am]
rockz -- oh, one more thing pigs, the 2 laptops I showed you have idiotic placement of the "Fn" key. Be warned
[01:06 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- It's just a little different, not harder to use.
[01:06 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- isn't SSD faster than a HD?
[01:05 am]
rockz -- idk, I've never bothered.
[01:05 am]
rockz -- ubuntu isn't as easy to use as windows, considering I've used windows for 20 years.
[01:05 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- it is
[01:04 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Rockz, IS wine slower? I always assumed it is but don't actually know >.>
[01:04 am]
rockz -- Also, the whole point of SSD on a laptop is to get rid of the moving parts which can be damaged by bumps. You still have a hard drive in that one, so it's kinda pointless.
[01:03 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Linux ubuntu is as easy to use as windows and has a better interface. You don't need to program to use it. BUT it sux with games, unless you have a virtual machine or use wine. Wine is slower though.
[01:02 am]
rockz -- linux plays any game you want, so long as you know how to work wine.
[01:02 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- and I hate vista with a passion. It's laggy as f***.
[01:01 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- i like it. Only thing is the battery life and 2 usb ports, but thats negligable. I would get linux if it could play games. and if I knew linux; or how to program.
[01:00 am]
zany_001[RCDF -- Get linux.
[12:58 am]
rockz -- this will rock the socks off of just about anything but the battery life is poor.
[12:57 am]
rockz -- 7 is good, vista is good, xp is old. Anything anyone tells you about how horrible vista is has been brainwashed by mac, or is a computer administrator with vista and xp computers.
[12:52 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- should i use the W7 64bit, or stick with XP SP3?
[12:52 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- thanks!
[12:51 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- hrm, looks good. I did want the SSD, but it is very expensive. 6 cell isntead of 8. I like the smaller screen and teh additional usb port.
[12:50 am]
rockz -- The 6 vs 4 GB is negligible, as I'm doing just fine with 2 GB right now on my desktop, and 1 GB on my laptop (though I have to be careful when image editing, as I don't have a swap).
[12:49 am]
rockz -- The SSD is a power hog, as is the 16" screen.
[12:48 am]
rockz -- Here's one, $500 cheaper, lighter.
[12:45 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- starcraft on... oh, wait.. there is no graphics choices for starcraft...
[12:45 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- lol crysis on max. just lol. I'm aiming TF2 on normal, Dragon Age on normal (or high?), mass effect on normal.
[12:42 am]
rockz -- If you want to play ANY source game, a 4850 is ridiculously overpowered for those.
[12:41 am]
rockz -- If you want to play Crysis on max, you'll have to drop 1.5k on a desktop let alone a laptop.
[12:39 am]
rockz -- which games are you looking to play?
[12:23 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- I'm going to be using the laptop for college stuff + gaming. So just massive multi tasking + graphics + fast + very portable.
[12:22 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- i see. But I don't intend on getting a desktop. I quite frequently move location (for daily life) and cannot take a desktop to [a friends house]. Would you know any better way to build/buy a laptop at ~$1000.
[12:16 am]
rockz -- btw, not even that build is worth the money.
[12:16 am]
Tuxedo-Templar -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTNo-zQTWkQ
[12:15 am]
rockz -- After lugging around a 15.4" computer to classes, I came to realize that anything over 13" screen isn't very portable. Not so much the weight, but the fact that you end up just leaving it on your desk
[12:15 am]
rockz -- $200 more for a two computers, (without a screen on the desktop).
[12:03 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- And why is it "not very portable"? The reviews say it has excelent battery life, and laptop weight isn't an issue really
[12:02 am]
fat_flying_pigs -- is it just the processor? im considering this model because of the SSD. (i have a 1tb external HD).
[11:59 pm]
rockz -- It's always a better idea to build a desktop and get a cheap laptop.
[11:58 pm]
rockz -- laptops are meant to be portable. That's not very portable.
[11:49 pm]
O)MasterJohnny -- the processor sucks too much for that price
[11:49 pm]
O)MasterJohnny -- actually the answer is no
[11:48 pm]
O)MasterJohnny -- depends on the purpose
[11:39 pm]
fat_flying_pigs -- is this worth the $$? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114720