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Transcend Duality
Oct 24 2009, 7:29 pm
By: Howler
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Oct 28 2009, 3:05 am Phobos Post #21

Praise.

Worry is by far a small word when it comes to this... Artist...



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Oct 28 2009, 3:30 am Howler Post #22



http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fractal%20images/dewoncedar1.jpg
image too big to post :(

One of my favorite artists, Cory Ench.



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Fractals are fractals, and are nice. They can be, I suppose, be called 'art', but you cannot say that a fractal will change your worldview. It's a fractal, not a masterpiece on par with Van Gogh. Stop being so offended when people don't consider it to be.

Also, I believe Mathematica should be able to handle Fractals beautifully, but I never actually had Mathematica (I should). Other than that, there's this... but, again, what comes out won't necessarily be art.

Don't you get it yet? Everything around you is a fractal. Look at the way trees grow, or how human cells grow...This is understanding how God works...you can't reproduce nature with simple fractal graphic generators...

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 28 2009, 6:23 am by Howler.



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Oct 28 2009, 9:12 pm Vrael Post #23



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you can't reproduce nature with simple fractal graphic generators...
Cory Ench just did, seeing as how that picture you just posted isn't of a real tree.

Nature doesn't create perfect fractals anyway. Clearly you've never been outside.



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Oct 28 2009, 9:22 pm Excalibur Post #24

We hold in our hearts the sword and the faith.

Quote from Howler
Don't you get it yet? Everything around you is a fractal. Look at the way trees grow, or how human cells grow...This is understanding how God works...you can't reproduce nature with simple fractal graphic generators...
Excuse me, but I don't have a god, so why would I need to understand how something that doesn't exist works? Perhaps you are being presumptuous and assuming and should try being a little less elitist on a board where you are a new member with no notable achievements to speak of?

Just some friendly advise the last bit, but take it as you will.



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Oct 28 2009, 11:28 pm Centreri Post #25

Relatively ancient and inactive

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Don't you get it yet? Everything around you is a fractal. Look at the way trees grow, or how human cells grow...This is understanding how God works...you can't reproduce nature with simple fractal graphic generators...
I give up. I've been nicer than is reasonable. Trees don't grow fractally, human cells don't grow fractally, I don't believe in a god, and if you can't, then why are you trying? Please leave.



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Oct 29 2009, 1:09 am Howler Post #26



I'm through saving your souls, I guess you could call me a quiter.



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Oct 29 2009, 1:19 am rockz Post #27

おやすみの敗者

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I'm through saving your souls, I guess you could call me a quiter.
NO U




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Oct 29 2009, 3:30 am BeDazed Post #28



How do fractals save our souls? Fractals -> Souls? Error. Unable to compute.
And the only thing that grows fractally are crystallines. Such as ice, or diamond, because of the chemical characteristics of Water and Carbon.

Oh yeah, just random stuff. I found out boogers are shiny when you see them through a microscope.



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Oct 29 2009, 6:04 pm Jack Post #29

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

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How do fractals save our souls? Fractals -> Souls? Error. Unable to compute.
Answer pl0x howler.



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Oct 29 2009, 6:12 pm Fire_Kame Post #30

a left leaning coexistence nut

Quote from Howler
Bullshit. Clearly you live in a fantasy world. You are way over your head in bullshit.

Howler, you're not making any friends here. Just leave, and take your high and mighty air with you. If you think people are still seriously discussing this topic with you, you "live in a fantasy world."




Oct 29 2009, 6:14 pm CecilSunkure Post #31



Quote from Fire_Kame
Quote from Howler
Bullshit. Clearly you live in a fantasy world. You are way over your head in bullshit.

Howler, you're not making any friends here. Just leave, and take your high and mighty air with you. If you think people are still seriously discussing this topic with you, you "live in a fantasy world."
He can't leave, his doodads and knowledge of the significance of fractals make him god, remember?



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Oct 29 2009, 7:13 pm Howler Post #32



As long as you keep this thread alive I'll keep posting in it. So keep bumping it.



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Oct 29 2009, 7:25 pm Fire_Kame Post #33

a left leaning coexistence nut

Haha. Stiff competition you have in this forum, eh Howler?




Oct 29 2009, 7:27 pm MadZombie Post #34



Bump.

INb4 Lock

tl;dr "I'm zombie jesus."

ITT: nothing of value

>> No u



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Oct 29 2009, 7:32 pm Howler Post #35



http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fractal%20images/oak.jpg

http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fractal%20images/fractal-plume.jpg

some more fractal art



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Oct 29 2009, 7:52 pm Vrael Post #36



No, things don't grow in perfect fractals. The golden ratio, for example, (1 sqrt(5))/2 is an irrational number, and while many plants may APPEAR to approximate this ratio, it's only an approximation. So long as atoms have a finite size it is impossible for a plant to grow in a perfect fractal. When the size of the fractal becomes 1/2, or 1/3, or 1/5 ect. the size of an atom, it's no longer a perfect fractal.

Still don't believe me? Good luck figuring this one out.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 29 2009, 7:55 pm by Dapperdan. Reason: got rid of part where you responded to the post i deleted



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Nov 19 2009, 7:09 am Howler Post #37



Quote from Vrael
No, things don't grow in perfect fractals. The golden ratio, for example, (1 sqrt(5))/2 is an irrational number, and while many plants may APPEAR to approximate this ratio, it's only an approximation. So long as atoms have a finite size it is impossible for a plant to grow in a perfect fractal. When the size of the fractal becomes 1/2, or 1/3, or 1/5 ect. the size of an atom, it's no longer a perfect fractal.

Still don't believe me? Good luck figuring this one out.

There are infinitely more irrational numbers than there are rational number. Think about this one, between 1 and 2 there are an infinite amount of numbers. Though one could say that there are an infinite amount of whole numbers, there will always be an infinite amount of numbers between each whole number.

what are atoms made out of? Once you run a google search on that, tell me what those are made out of, and then those, and then those, and then those, ect...

Ever hear about how infinity can fit into a finite boundary? Still don't believe me? Good luck figuring this one out.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Feb 10 2010, 9:34 pm by Howler.



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Nov 20 2009, 7:27 am BeDazed Post #38



Well atoms are composed of neutron and proton core with orbiting electrons. And the components of atoms are composed of quarks, the smallest particle known and observable by men. Still, no life on Earth exists infinitely, nor in our universe. Simply put, because the total mass of the universe is finite.



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Nov 20 2009, 5:56 pm Vrael Post #39



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There are infinitely more irrational numbers than there are rational numbers, hence proving that all life exists infinitely,
Hrm. This claim doesn't make sense: "all life exists infinitely" What does this mean exactly? Everything lives forever, or there is an infinite amount of life in the universe, or somethin else? Nevermind the fact that there's no logical link between the amount of irrational numbers and amount of life in the world, let's sort out the claim first.
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because the world grows in patterns of sacred geometry
All approximations, for one thing. Second, it's not like every living organism in the world grows that way. Third, why is this geometry sacred? Does someone worship it?
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Ever hear about how infinity can fit into a finite boundary?
How is this relevant? There are an infinite amount of numbers between 0 and 1, we know this. Or between any 2 numbers, for that matter. Are you proposing that there's some infinite-mass black-hole in space whose structure is comprised of the golden ratio?

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Simply put, because the total mass of the universe is finite.
Well, that's quite a claim. Little bit early to say, don't you think?
Aside from that, Howler's point was that if atoms are composed of something, then whatever composes the atoms are composed by something smaller and smaller, on and on and on into infinity. What he doesn't realize, is that it doesn't matter, because the edge of a leaf or branch or whatever else he's talking about will be the boundary of the finitely-sized atoms which make it up, and all the quarks and gluons and whatever else are within the boundary of the atom, so don't matter when it comes to the length of the boundary. Since it's the atoms on the boundary, we're still dealing with finite sizes and therefore any ratio between some number of these atoms will only be an approximation of an irrational ratio like the golden ratio, since an irrational number cannot be represented as a fraction of two integers.

I would also like to point out the fact that the opening picture does not have any tetrahedrons in it, just equilateral triangles. I don't think anyone said this yet.



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Nov 21 2009, 2:19 am Jack Post #40

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

Quote from BeDazed
Well atoms are composed of neutron and proton core with orbiting electrons. And the components of atoms are composed of quarks, the smallest particle known and observable by men.
There are a LOT more subatomic particles than quarks... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subatomic_particle



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m.0.n.3.y -- Here's another question. I'm using switch randomization for powerups. There are 9 powerups, and I only want any of the powerups to appear only about 30% of the time. So I was just going to use 5 switches for a total of 32 options and have the other 23 results restart the randomization process. Is there a better way to do this?
[06:04 pm]
m.0.n.3.y -- NudeRaider
NudeRaider shouted: m.0.n.3.y Pro and Demon already gave correct answers, but let me add a pretty elegant way: Have the detection trigger owned by whoever is convenient for you. A single computer player, a force, all players - it doesn't matter. Now detect for the arbiter in conditions - also doesn't really matter how. In actions just set a dc to 1 for all players or the force that should have the text displayed. It will set the dc for each player to 1 individually. Because of this you can make a 2nd trigger that checks for the dc for current player and remove the dc for current player afterwards.
Ok that makes perfect sense NudeRaider
NudeRaider shouted: This method also has a bonus use: If you detect the arbiter in conditions for current player (set trigger owned accordingly!) then you can do the following: Add 1 to dc for current player AND add 1 to dc for all players. And in your 2nd trigger you can distinguish between players that just are informed and the player that actually had it, because their dc will be 2 instead of 1. So you can give them an additional reward or something dynamically.
Wow that's awesome! I'll definitely be doing this. Thanks for the tip, that's really cool
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NudeRaider -- This method also has a bonus use: If you detect the arbiter in conditions for current player (set trigger owned accordingly!) then you can do the following: Add 1 to dc for current player AND add 1 to dc for all players. And in your 2nd trigger you can distinguish between players that just are informed and the player that actually had it, because their dc will be 2 instead of 1. So you can give them an additional reward or something dynamically.
[05:27 pm]
NudeRaider -- m.0.n.3.y
m.0.n.3.y shouted: NEW QUESTION: How is it possible to show text to all players when something occurs? EX: Player 1 builds an Arbiter. Trigger says, When player 1 builds an Arbiter, do something, then remove the Arbiter. Now, I'd like text to show for all other players when P1 builds an Arbiter that says "P1 built an arbiter!". But how is this possible when the the original trigger that detects if P1 built an Arbiter then removes the Arbiter in it's actions? Like, the Arbiter is detected as built, then Action occurs for P1, then Arbiter is removed. So how can you detect if the Arbiter is built to show text to the other plays saying "P1 built an Arbiter" if the other trigger quickly removes the Arbiter? Does that make sense?
Pro and Demon already gave correct answers, but let me add a pretty elegant way: Have the detection trigger owned by whoever is convenient for you. A single computer player, a force, all players - it doesn't matter. Now detect for the arbiter in conditions - also doesn't really matter how. In actions just set a dc to 1 for all players or the force that should have the text displayed. It will set the dc for each player to 1 individually. Because of this you can make a 2nd trigger that checks for the dc for current player and remove the dc for current player afterwards.
[05:22 pm]
NudeRaider -- that's why the All Players thing is neat: When one player runs a wait, their copy of hypers will actually be blocked. But the hyper effect will not be disrupted because the hypers of all the other players are still running.
[05:21 pm]
NudeRaider -- *running at the same time for the same player.
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NudeRaider -- m.0.n.3.y
m.0.n.3.y shouted: Mini Moose 2707 Shit. Ok what are the exact circumstances where using wait triggers causes wait blocks and messes things up? EX: If player 8 is a computer and has hyper triggers at the bottom of his list, can I use a few of triggers on each human player 1-6 with a few waits each lasting 50 - 1000ms? I've read the articles in SEN Wiki but still not super clear on it :/
simple: 2 waits running at the same time. Hyper triggers constantly block each other, but they have no other purpose than to force another trigger loop, and stay in that "blocking each other" state as long as possible (=NEO)
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NudeRaider -- Dem0n
Dem0n shouted: It's recommended to never use waits if you have hyper triggers.
yes and no. If you have to ask: yes. If you know what you're doing, you can use them in a non-disruptive manner.
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NudeRaider -- m.0.n.3.y
m.0.n.3.y shouted: ALSO: @NudeRaider for your "other setup" you mean give the hypers to the "All Players" player checkbox, not to each player individually, right?
That's equivalent. At the start of a game sc parses triggers and creates copies of triggers owned by player groups (forces and all players) to each player that is part of that group. During runtime there's only individual trigger owners.
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m.0.n.3.y -- Dem0n
Dem0n shouted: That won't work. And it's one extra trigger with 2 actions. Hardly extra work.
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