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Post #21     Phobos Oct 28 2009, 3:05 am

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Post #22     Howler Oct 28 2009, 3:30 am

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http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fractal%20images/dewoncedar1.jpg
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One of my favorite artists, Cory Ench.



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Fractals are fractals, and are nice. They can be, I suppose, be called 'art', but you cannot say that a fractal will change your worldview. It's a fractal, not a masterpiece on par with Van Gogh. Stop being so offended when people don't consider it to be.

Also, I believe Mathematica should be able to handle Fractals beautifully, but I never actually had Mathematica (I should). Other than that, there's this... but, again, what comes out won't necessarily be art.

Don't you get it yet? Everything around you is a fractal. Look at the way trees grow, or how human cells grow...This is understanding how God works...you can't reproduce nature with simple fractal graphic generators...
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Post #23     Vrael Oct 28 2009, 9:12 pm

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you can't reproduce nature with simple fractal graphic generators...
Cory Ench just did, seeing as how that picture you just posted isn't of a real tree.

Nature doesn't create perfect fractals anyway. Clearly you've never been outside.

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Post #24     Excalibur Oct 28 2009, 9:22 pm

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Don't you get it yet? Everything around you is a fractal. Look at the way trees grow, or how human cells grow...This is understanding how God works...you can't reproduce nature with simple fractal graphic generators...
Excuse me, but I don't have a god, so why would I need to understand how something that doesn't exist works? Perhaps you are being presumptuous and assuming and should try being a little less elitist on a board where you are a new member with no notable achievements to speak of?

Just some friendly advise the last bit, but take it as you will.

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Post #25     Centreri Oct 28 2009, 11:28 pm

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Don't you get it yet? Everything around you is a fractal. Look at the way trees grow, or how human cells grow...This is understanding how God works...you can't reproduce nature with simple fractal graphic generators...
I give up. I've been nicer than is reasonable. Trees don't grow fractally, human cells don't grow fractally, I don't believe in a god, and if you can't, then why are you trying? Please leave.

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Post #26     Howler Oct 29 2009, 1:09 am

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I'm through saving your souls, I guess you could call me a quiter.

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Post #27     rockz Oct 29 2009, 1:19 am

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I'm through saving your souls, I guess you could call me a quiter.
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This is a great wallpaper to use if you want to go into an epileptic fit every time you sit down in front of your laptop, which I guess is a better option than watching Naruto.
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Post #28     BeDazed Oct 29 2009, 3:30 am

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How do fractals save our souls? Fractals -> Souls? Error. Unable to compute.
And the only thing that grows fractally are crystallines. Such as ice, or diamond, because of the chemical characteristics of Water and Carbon.

Oh yeah, just random stuff. I found out boogers are shiny when you see them through a microscope.

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Post #29     Jack[RCDF Oct 29 2009, 6:04 pm

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How do fractals save our souls? Fractals -> Souls? Error. Unable to compute.
Answer pl0x howler.

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Post #30     Fire_Kame Oct 29 2009, 6:12 pm

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Bullshit. Clearly you live in a fantasy world. You are way over your head in bullshit.

Howler, you're not making any friends here. Just leave, and take your high and mighty air with you. If you think people are still seriously discussing this topic with you, you "live in a fantasy world."

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Post #31     CecilSunkure Oct 29 2009, 6:14 pm

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Bullshit. Clearly you live in a fantasy world. You are way over your head in bullshit.

Howler, you're not making any friends here. Just leave, and take your high and mighty air with you. If you think people are still seriously discussing this topic with you, you "live in a fantasy world."
He can't leave, his doodads and knowledge of the significance of fractals make him god, remember?

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Post #32     Howler Oct 29 2009, 7:13 pm

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As long as you keep this thread alive I'll keep posting in it. So keep bumping it.

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Post #33     Fire_Kame Oct 29 2009, 7:25 pm

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Haha. Stiff competition you have in this forum, eh Howler?

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Post #34     MadZombie! Oct 29 2009, 7:27 pm

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Post #35     Howler Oct 29 2009, 7:32 pm

Post #36     Vrael Oct 29 2009, 7:52 pm

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No, things don't grow in perfect fractals. The golden ratio, for example, (1 sqrt(5))/2 is an irrational number, and while many plants may APPEAR to approximate this ratio, it's only an approximation. So long as atoms have a finite size it is impossible for a plant to grow in a perfect fractal. When the size of the fractal becomes 1/2, or 1/3, or 1/5 ect. the size of an atom, it's no longer a perfect fractal.

Still don't believe me? Good luck figuring this one out.
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Post #37     Howler Nov 19 2009, 7:09 am

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No, things don't grow in perfect fractals. The golden ratio, for example, (1 sqrt(5))/2 is an irrational number, and while many plants may APPEAR to approximate this ratio, it's only an approximation. So long as atoms have a finite size it is impossible for a plant to grow in a perfect fractal. When the size of the fractal becomes 1/2, or 1/3, or 1/5 ect. the size of an atom, it's no longer a perfect fractal.

Still don't believe me? Good luck figuring this one out.

There are infinitely more irrational numbers than there are rational number. Think about this one, between 1 and 2 there are an infinite amount of numbers. Though one could say that there are an infinite amount of whole numbers, there will always be an infinite amount of numbers between each whole number.

what are atoms made out of? Once you run a google search on that, tell me what those are made out of, and then those, and then those, and then those, ect...

Ever hear about how infinity can fit into a finite boundary? Still don't believe me? Good luck figuring this one out.
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Post #38     BeDazed Nov 20 2009, 7:27 am

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Well atoms are composed of neutron and proton core with orbiting electrons. And the components of atoms are composed of quarks, the smallest particle known and observable by men. Still, no life on Earth exists infinitely, nor in our universe. Simply put, because the total mass of the universe is finite.

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Post #39     Vrael Nov 20 2009, 5:56 pm

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There are infinitely more irrational numbers than there are rational numbers, hence proving that all life exists infinitely,
Hrm. This claim doesn't make sense: "all life exists infinitely" What does this mean exactly? Everything lives forever, or there is an infinite amount of life in the universe, or somethin else? Nevermind the fact that there's no logical link between the amount of irrational numbers and amount of life in the world, let's sort out the claim first.
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because the world grows in patterns of sacred geometry
All approximations, for one thing. Second, it's not like every living organism in the world grows that way. Third, why is this geometry sacred? Does someone worship it?
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Ever hear about how infinity can fit into a finite boundary?
How is this relevant? There are an infinite amount of numbers between 0 and 1, we know this. Or between any 2 numbers, for that matter. Are you proposing that there's some infinite-mass black-hole in space whose structure is comprised of the golden ratio?

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Simply put, because the total mass of the universe is finite.
Well, that's quite a claim. Little bit early to say, don't you think?
Aside from that, Howler's point was that if atoms are composed of something, then whatever composes the atoms are composed by something smaller and smaller, on and on and on into infinity. What he doesn't realize, is that it doesn't matter, because the edge of a leaf or branch or whatever else he's talking about will be the boundary of the finitely-sized atoms which make it up, and all the quarks and gluons and whatever else are within the boundary of the atom, so don't matter when it comes to the length of the boundary. Since it's the atoms on the boundary, we're still dealing with finite sizes and therefore any ratio between some number of these atoms will only be an approximation of an irrational ratio like the golden ratio, since an irrational number cannot be represented as a fraction of two integers.

I would also like to point out the fact that the opening picture does not have any tetrahedrons in it, just equilateral triangles. I don't think anyone said this yet.

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Post #40     Jack[RCDF Nov 21 2009, 2:19 am

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Well atoms are composed of neutron and proton core with orbiting electrons. And the components of atoms are composed of quarks, the smallest particle known and observable by men.
There are a LOT more subatomic particles than quarks... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subatomic_particle

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