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Why the heck does everyone like Reagan?

Aug 18 2009, 12:12 am
By: Jesusfreak

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Aug 18 2009, 12:12 am Jesusfreak Post #1

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/north-american-politics/84600-why-heck-does-everyone-like-reagan.html

I figured I'd bring this discussion here, since RF tends to be a wee bit biased in favor of the left.

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Seriously, I always hear people (usually conservatives) praising Reagan for how great of a president he supposedly was.
Why does everyone like him? I remember asking my dad once a few days ago why Reagan was so great, and his response was literally "Because he was great!" (yeah, my dad's not the brightest guy in the world XD). No one who actually likes him seems to be able to tell me anything about his policies.

I looked him up on wikipedia, and the gist of his presidency seems to be lowering the taxes (which supposedly stimulated the economy), being anti-big-government, increasing military spending, increasing the debt from 7 billion to 3 trillion, and using the Cold War as a fear-mongering tool.
Sounds pretty bad to me (the first and second are debatable but I'm pretty sure most people agree that fear-mongering and increasing the debt are bad).

So why do people like Reagan?

Also, since that discussion has started, I have been directed to this source:
http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/reagan.php

Would most of you say that this is a reliable source, or are the librals feeding me bullshit?

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Aug 18 2009, 12:14 am

DT_Battlekruser Post #2

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Would most of you say that this is a reliable source, or are the librals feeding me bullshit?

Like any such website, the facts are undeniably correct but they are presented in a manner so as to sway your opinions.

In truth, Ronald Reagan was immensely popular because he was a movie star, good looking, very friendly and personable, and the Cold War happened to come to an end during his presidency.

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Aug 18 2009, 12:21 am Jesusfreak Post #3

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In truth, Ronald Reagan was immensely popular because he was a movie star, good looking, very friendly and personable, and the Cold War happened to come to an end during his presidency.

That's what I originally thought.

Then I read those sources, and found out that Reagan was a satanic, hypocritical, lying, pro-big-business, anti-environment, child abuser and, er, George-Bush-ish.
Are the accounts of soldiers swinging young children by their ankles and crashing their heads into poles so they'll die (simply because they "might" be supporting the guerrillas that were fighting against the oppressive regime that Reagan backed) really true?

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Aug 18 2009, 2:36 am

DT_Battlekruser Post #4

I don't know about any specific accounts, but it wouldn't surprise me. War is an ugly thing, and in any war, acts are committed by both sides that would be considered atrocity in peacetime. Usually, some of these acts are wholly unnecessary to the course of the war and are highly un-strategic.

One of the many examples of the travesty of war, and the first one that comes to my mind, is the 1968 massacre at My Lai. Some 500 villagers, all of them civilians and most of them women, children, and the elderly, were brutally raped and murdered even as they sought protection with U.S. forces they presumed were on their side. The incident was captured in gruesome detail, although images were censored for some time. The incident would have gone unnoticed were it not for Ron Ridenhour, a former member of Charlie Company who heard about the massacre second-hand and sent a letter detailing its description to the President, the Pentagon, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and members of Congress. Only one, Congressman Morris Udall (D-AZ), even cared. Following a procedural Army investigation, 26 men were charged but only one, Lieutenant William Calley, was convicted. Initially sentenced to life in prison, he was ordered released by President Nixon pending the appeal of his sentence. After an adjustment, he spent a grand total of four and a half months in military prison. He is currently alive and well, living in Atlanta. And who now remembers those dead?

But such things are unavoidable in war. To fight a war, you need to train men to unconditionally follow orders into the scariest thick of battle, and to unthinkingly, reflexively, kill others. It desensitizes soldiers to violence and brutality and leads to incidents such as the My Lai Massacre. Such incidents, however, are to numerous to mark all of them.

My point is, essentially, that such things are more common than most people believe. I am not defending Reagan (in fact I despise him perhaps as much as you), but I giving a reasonable defense that any incident of brutality in war and conflict can be emotionally draw out of proportion to make a monster of a leader. In the (misattributed) words of Joseph Stalin, "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

Ronald Reagan did a lot as president. He certainly skated through the Iran-Contra affair, but remember it was President Carter who seemed too weak to free 53 Americans held hostage in Iran for over a year. They were only freed when (and therefore some will say because) Reagan was elected. He pursued a policy of brinkmanship with Soviet Union. Whether it brought about the end of the Cold War can be argued, but it definitely doubled our debt and destroyed the fragile relations of detente established by Nixon and Carter.

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Aug 18 2009, 3:01 am LokiArexon Post #5

He's also dead, so people can praise him with minimal risk of him coming off as a complete doofus at some point in the near future.

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Aug 18 2009, 3:11 am Jesusfreak Post #6

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Ronald Reagan did a lot as president. He certainly skated through the Iran-Contra affair, but remember it was President Carter who seemed too weak to free 53 Americans held hostage in Iran for over a year. They were only freed when (and therefore some will say because) Reagan was elected. He pursued a policy of brinkmanship with Soviet Union.

My sources claim that Reagan actually paid/forced the people holding the hostages to not let them go, and to release them when he got elected, so it would look like Reagan did a great thing by making the oh so evil terrorists free the poor innocent hostages.

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He's also dead, so people can praise him with minimal risk of him coming off as a complete doofus at some point in the near future.

[sarcasm]If I'm not mistaken, he's going to come back from the dead in 1000 years. It says so in Revelation :bleh:

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Aug 18 2009, 8:44 am

MillenniumArmy Post #7

Every president's or world leader's policies/deeds/accomplishments/etc will have its criticism and exaltation, equally compelling and legitimate.

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