On another forum, I presented a few sources explaining why America is in bad shape, and the only thing this joker can think of as a reply is to call me a conspiracy theorist. I don't give a wooden nickel what I'm called, the fact is, we "conspiracy theorists" actually back up what we say with evidence and sources, while people like this just make fun of us and call us names.
Here's some of the stuff that was said to me:
Yah... there are people that do that, they're called conspiracy theorists. No one listens to them, because Americans are taught to believe that people who give views contrary to the ones they already have are crazy or insane.
I'm pretty confident that most Americans wouldn't feel bad about it. But like I've said before, there ARE those who run to the media with evidence (heck, I've even heard stories about how people who were actually in the towers reported sounds of explosions), but they've always gotten shot down from what I know. Besides that, do you really think the media is going to be honest to the people? Their entire job is propganda-work (*cough* Fox News *cough*).
I've never heard this one before. I think he's just making fun of me again...
(And again, he's relying on the idea that people will believe whoever tells the truth. Americans culture puts emphasis and trust on the majority, so even if a few guys felt bad about lying and exposed the truth, the liars would just assure everyone that their story was true.)
I suppose then that the world is flat, because I don't know of any concrete evidence proving otherwise. Bah! I suppose the "most obvious" is what you're told to believe, right? But maybe the 9/11 official story is true, and maybe there isn't a family of rich people out to take over the world (I'm personally not sure about the whole world takeover thing and how the world wars were planned out, although I do consider all ideas). What about the implications of the Patriot Act and Obama's healthcare plan? The ambiguity of the Patriot Act allows the government to label anyone who protests against it (peacefully, even) as terrorists. Sounds pretty obvious to me.
I don't doubt that they hate eachother. That doesn't mean they aren't doing the same things - for example, Republicans want illegal immigrants for cheap labor for corporate "fat cats." Democrats want illegal immigrants as voters, since they usually appeal to non-whites for some reason. Bush wanted power. Obama wants power. Heck, just about every president wanted power, I'm sure. Who cares what party they are?
I know. But isn't it kind of hypocritical to believe everything you're told by the media and government without weighing the evidence and then tell me that?

Thanks for listening to my rant . Also, here are the "conspiracy theorists" we're talking about:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread477420/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread480171/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread476906/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread480693/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread343909/pg1

What do you guys think?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 12 2009, 6:04 pm by Jesusfreak.

I think that there is no way that there is a family ruling the world. God rules the world wether the UN or conspirists like it or not.

I don't think 9 11 was done by the government as what little evidence I have seen has been disproven, but I don't know much about it and frankly don't care all that much.

Citation needed.

For what, God ruling the world, or the UN not liking it, or the theorists not liking it? Also it's null, no citation needed

I'm asking for one.

Psalm 103:19

You might as well cite Lord of the Rings as evidence for Frodo.
Basically, you are citing a book saying God exists as evidence for God's existence.

Also, the 9/11 conspiracy theory HAS been proven wrong several times over. I'd like to see the "evidence" backing up statements such as, "ONE FAMILY RULES THE WORLD" and "We didn't land on the moon".

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jul 12 2009, 3:40 am by ForTheSwarm.

FTS wins. Also I lol'd.

I completely agree with you. I remember something from sociology that said, basically, the more people who are in on the plot and or scheme, the "easier" it is to do. Nazism for instance.

What conspiracists love doing is taking evidence (whether they be legit or not) and twisting them in their favor. For instance the 9/11 one, we all know most of the "evidence" we see is utter shit as they are the most common ones, but then there are certain ones out there which do question the official NIST report by engineers and scientists around the world. It is their job (the engineers/scientists) to investigate such reports, hence why they even have Ph D's and years of experience. Nothing is perfect, these engineers probably found some minor inconsistencies in the NIST report or whatever and have written articles or made presentations expressing their thoughts.

And then because of these very few legit research presentations or reports, that's where conspiracists like to get all over on top of it and claim that somehow our own government was involved in 9/11. Just about every "legit" article or research done that questions the 9/11 attacks is in no way whatsoever implying that our government was behind the 9/11 attacks. Just because there might be some minor errors in the official report doesn't automatically equate to the government orchestrating the 9/11 attacks (in fact their claim is very unscientific thus making them sound hypocritical.) In fact, the "missing" links to the whole investigation could easily have been the TERRORISTS planning way ahead and doing all sorts of secret things back when our security was shit (back in like december 2000 my whole family was flying to miami or something and my dad brought a swiss army knife and the security people looked at it and were like "it's fine. That knife is pretty small.") When you point out this simple truth on youtube it's laughable how worked up the conspiracists get

Is this a serious post? Don't squeeze religion into places it doesn't belong.

Actually it was, it was a response to the idea that there is a family of people ruling the world. I didn't notice you shouting that remark by Freak down...if he's allowed conspiracy theories and mystical families then i should be allowed religion. But I'll stay out of this discussion as I don't know enough about 9/11 and conspiracy to really contribute. I thought it was a bit of a joke as it was posted in Null and maybe it should be moved to serious discussion as it fits better there.

Thanks for the responses guys... funny how this thread got active right after I went to bed XD.

See, you guys make sense. Well, some of you.
I haven't seen any such proof. From what I know, the official story is getting shot with holes as new evidence comes up, but then again, all my information is coming from one source, so I try to keep an open mind.
Yah, I'm not so sure about the one family ruling the world (actually it's 300 families that are in a conspiracy together, but meh), but I try to keep an open mind. I am considering the fact that the Federal Bank is actually a private institution, and the whole takeover by money thing makes perfect sense (first banks start loaning out money that isn't theirs, then the "banksters" invent the credit card, which allows people to buy things without real money, and eventually, they're going to give out these wrist tatoos that work like credit cards... after a while, people will realize that they have no access to "real" money anymore, and all of their purchases can be monitored and controlled by the "banksters." It makes sense, the only flaw in it I can find is that the theory relies on the existence of the elite banking class that's doing all of it).
And once again, I've never heard the whole "we didn't land on the moon" thing from a conspiracy theorist, the guy making fun of me just made it up as another excuse to call me crazy. But if it's out there, I wouldn't automatically close it out just because it sounds weird, like this guy's doing.

And no one's adressed the whole Patriot Act thing. Just out of curiousity, did any of you actually read the sources I gave you before posting?

(Also, I'm removing the link to the other forum site for the guy's safety, just in case someone looking at this decides to mess with him or something.)

There's no real reason to believe in stuff without proof, such as many conspiracy theories. The ones that actually DO have a shred of evidence may be worth looking into. Stuff like "300 families rule the world" has no proof, and until there is some, shouldn't be believed.

Again, I'm not sure about that one either XD.

But there are scraps of evidence for the 9/11 conspiracy theory, ie, the "paint chips" being explosives (some sources say thermite but I'm not sure if they did the tests right to confirm it being thermite. If it is thermite though, the government will have some serious explaining to do. Thermite's pretty dang expensive and hard to get for a common terrorist group to be having access to.)
And, you know, there's the thing about the Patriot Act, that comes straight from the legal system, no theories there - the Patriot Act is ambiguous enough to effectively make peaceful protesting a "terrorist" act.


EDIT: Maybe this thread will explain the whole Patriot Act thing: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread480171/pg1
It's the one I'm most worried about, I think.

There is no evidence for the 9/11 conspiracy theory. None.

Thermite isn't an explosive substance, either. Nor is it expensive. It's any ground up metal, and a metal oxide together. That's it. The reaction it creates when burned is vigorous, and hot, but again, not explosive.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 14 2009, 5:11 pm by Merrell. Reason: No need for the flame

Yeah I've seen a thermite reaction in chemsitry class, it's not expensive or explosive. It burns pretty hot, but no explosion.

There's no reason to blame social conditioning for people not believing conspiracy theorists, when there is plenty of reason to blame common sense for not believing conspiracy theorists.

I just love how everyone's completely ignoring the most important and urgent "conspiracy theory."

And yeh, so thermite burns instead of exploding, what was it doing in the towers?

Conspiracy theories rely on common sense (and oftentimes nothing else). A lot of the conspiracy theories are crap, but social conditioning against "conspiracy theories" is what prevents people from having an open mind to the ones that make sense. There's no reason to blame common sense for not believing in conspiracy theorists, in fact, common sense without evidence is what a lot of them use - ie, it makes perfect sense that 300 ridiculously rich families planned out the world wars and is plotting a world taking, but as far as I know, there's no evidence.

You guys really should be ashamed of yourselves for stereotyping all of these "conspiracy theorists." A lot of the ones on the site I pointed out legitimately research this stuff and come out with good evidence supporting their case. It's usually the "debunkers" (anti-conspiracy theorist) that have no evidence, back their claims on emotions, etc.
Honestly, are you guys even reading the links?

Its that kind of thinking that makes conspiracy theorists laugh at you. Just because its not explosive doesnt mean there wasnt a bomb or plane hitting the building involved (Wait a second...).

And everyone who has a bit of common sense can identify that what happened to Tower 7 was fake and staged, a little fire cant make a building fall like a controlled demolition. We can use this knowledge and use it on the primary towers, and understand that the plane PROBABLY wasnt the only part in the equation, its just nobody wants to admit it because everybody looks at you funny when you talk about it, you get rediculed for saying a plane full of people wasnt the only thing.

This is why 9/11 cant be proven as a conspiracy or not. The people dont want it to be.

Thank you Dark_Marine, you summed up what I was trying to say pretty well.