In all seriousness though, programing types tend to think that way.

Then allow me to introduce myself. I am Lavarinth. Administrator of Campaign Creations. Glad to meet you. Hugs and kisses, hope all is well, tell the kids I say hi, and hope our partnership stays healthy. No cheating.

If you would hear my advice, now that you are an administrator I suggest that you take a moment to proof read your posts and think about them. Admitting openly a personal agenda against Nerdy can hardly be expected to produce positive results with the community, especially if your "mission" or "purpose" or whatever you called it, is as follows:
Additionally, what is your stance on the moderation policies, and what is the direction you wish the community to head in? I am still unsure as to why your promotion was necessary, but I will wait for your new character to unfold before I judge whether the promotion was positive or negative.

Best of luck, Ex.

Not to mention Farty knows how to code, man, Farty should most certainly be admin! <3 Farty!

My sentiments exactly.

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Excalibur, you have confirmed that the result will be #2, outcome 1.


As for how much damage you could do in 2 weeks, you speak as if you only intend to be administrator here for two weeks. In other words, as what others have suggested, this is merely free training for you rather than the permanent replacement IP seems to hope for. If you think you can write out a few new policies, play boss for a couple weeks, then jump ship and have the abandoned community be the better for your efforts, I'm afraid that's not quite how it works. You're either in it or you aren't.

I myself was offered moderatorship by Moose about three weeks ago. I told him I was thinking about it, but have yet to give him a solid answer. In that span, I've contemplated whether I will have the time necessary to make a difference and if am willing to commit for a respectable length of time to do any good. I will not make a promise to Moose without the intention of fulfilling my obligation.

I admitted it because I'm not going to sit there and pretend it doesn't bother me. He has no right to treat anyone like that, be it fellow user or a staff member.

Community wise, I want SEN to shift from being a social club into being a place for SC customs. Not just mapping, not just modding, not just tutorial/wiki information. I want us to do the whole nine yards and I want us to do it well. And I don't want to walk into another SC site and see posts about how the people on SEN were so unhelpful that the topic starter had to come to this place for help to fix his problem, or a friendlier place to release his map. SEN should be all about being the best place possible for SC custom content, the community of loyal members who have put in a lot of time here deserve that, and deserve to be a part of something they can be proud of. That is a major goal of mine, and I'm not sure how we go from the lukewarm state I think we're in now, to being that place, but you know what? We've got a lot of mappers and modders who I'm sure would love to tell us all the things we could do to provide them with an excellent site that suits their needs.

Moderation: Tougher moderation, no more pointless fines, super short suspensions, and letting people off the hook. If we suspend someone, we should stand by it. But I don't think 1 year suspensions like Dev's are proper. Yes he did something very bad, either give him a month out or ban him outright. A year suspension? Come on.
Anyway:
Moderation actions are used to deter rule breakers from doing so again, and unless we accomplish that, than I feel we are being too lax. Being willfully stupid and ignorant is going to be a swift way to the void. If you are not here to be a productive, contributing member than we really don't need you. We are providing a service for free and we do not owe nonproductive, noncontributing members anything. We are lucky to have the ones who are productive and contribute and we should listen to them. Those are the voices that need to be heard.

Example:
The quote chain that Merrell suspended everyone over. Now IP overturned those suspensions, or at least mine anyway I didn't look into the others, but that was a bad idea. Merrell's action was harsh enough that the people involved would think twice before spamming again as they had. I was surprised, pleasantly surprised as it so happens, and I would've gladly served my suspension because Merrell showed me that the staff wasn't dead. It wasn't totally indifferent to the state of SEN, and at least one other person had had enough of the kidiot spamfest that has been going on for awhile now. I hope he continues such actions and serves as an example to other staff members on what I'm looking for.

I agree, but will Farty be active is my concern, will he be able to concentrate on SEN and get things done. Farty is an okay dude but he has ADD and has a lot of unfinished programs and such. Then again, I have a lot of unfinished maps.

I'm in to do a job. If I feel that job is done, I'm out. If I feel that job no longer needs doing because ML is doing SEN's job so much better that anyone still here is just being petty, I'm out. But I am not putting SEN down for the count, I will never be the one in charge of that, nor would I do so if it was in my power. I am going to help SEN for as long as it wants to continue. However, I have to say the plans for ML 2.0 are so grand that I don't think SEN is going to have anything on it advantage wise. We'll see, because things don't always go according to plan. Maybe ML 2.0 will fail horribly and I'll stay on here and continue. Anything is possible. We'll find out as it happens.

Edit: And with that, I think I've made what I'm doing here pretty clear so I'm going with this:
You obviously may continue to post back and fourth in this topic about what you think of me as an Admin, I think that's pretty much what it's here for. However I've already heard enough from both sides, and I'm more concerned with doing my job now. I'm leaving this thread be. If you want to talk about community/moderation/actually important stuff, go ahead and PM me.

I should've left it alone after my first reply.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jun 11 2009, 4:37 am by Excalibur.

Oh God, not another "Other forums should be removed and you should be banned if you aren't still actively playing Starcraft" tirade.. who started it last time?

So much drama over a staff change. Rather than get all upset over how you THINK Excal will perform as a mod, why don't we just let it be and see how he does. If he crashes and burns, so be it. It can be fixed. I however believe he has what it takes, and deserves a shot at it at the least.

As for Nerdy, he fully deserved his temp ban. He clearly stated his thoughts on the matter in his firt post, which were not very respectful. His following multiple posts were rude and uncalled for. It's ok to dissapprove of Excal, but be mature and civil about it.

Anyways, Excal is an iffy candidate, but we should at least see how it goes before we make any kind of decisions.

I know how to code better than Farty

I can't speak for him, but I think he means put a lot more attention and effort into those forums devoted to producing maps and mods.

I don't mind the offtopic forums being removed as long as we keep the shoutbox.

These both show promise, they are good responses.

An Admin's job is never truly done, not if you wish to accomplish what you wrote in your first post. That is what I mean by being in it or not. These changes you speak of require vigilance.

As for NerdyTerdy, intentionally antagonizing, provoking, cursing out, and flaming any member should not be tolerated. I agree. But when you establish what is not okay, doing as much yourself is not right. It shows poor judgment and tarnishes your credibility. You can be stern without stooping to their level. The contributing members you covet so expect that of their leader. I expect it. I expect it from myself as well, whether I'm an admin or not.

Now, while these posts show potential...


...this just shows honest dishonesty. I don't care if you tell me ahead of time that you're going to steal from me, in the end you're still stealing from me. You have bluntly said you don't care about SEN, completely contradicting all those flowery words about aspiring to better SEN. When you wrote passionately about wanting SEN to be a place to be proud of, were you really thinking about SEN? Or is all that fluff just a repurposing of your Maplantis goals and dreams?

You do not have SEN's best interest at heart. You've plainly confessed it. I cannot support you in light of this. Sorry.

Excalibur thought no one would back him up on suspending NerdyTerdy. I'm glad to see that people have.

Farty is friggin' epic. He just doesn't post much, it's not that he's inactive, he just waits to post until he can come up with an amazingly epic reason to do so.

I still vote Farty for admin! <3 Farty!

Now that I have some time, I will make my response a bit longer...

My disagreements with this recent development have more to do with the pattern of decision making that IP has demonstrated from time to time than with the choice of Excalibur as an admin. Myself, Moose, Merrell, and I'm sure other staff members have had their actions overturned or ignored by what appeared to be a personal favor. For instance, I remember giving Golden-Fist a warning for putting a porn website in his profile awhile back, and IP undid it as a repayment to G-F for a favor he'd done. It's frustrating. It makes me wonder what I'd tried to prove myself for when all I apparently needed to do was make a backdoor deal. I've always cared for this site and respected the staff. From the very beginning, I thought it would be cool to help run the interesting project that is SEN, and when I was offered a staff position after a year and a half of good behavior as a member, it felt like a great honor. (Not that I behaved well just because I wanted to be staff, but because I've always found that being polite with people, even those you disagree with, makes life so so so much easier and more enjoyable) If IP had offered me the same sort of power that he's given to Ex, I probably would have declined because I don't have room in my life for more internet responsibilities than I already carry. However, it sort of makes me feel that none of the work I've done or loyalty I've shown matters because I apparently wasn't even considered.

As to Excalibur himself, I agree that he's said some distasteful things out of anger on a number of occasions. However, every time I've warned him, he's always been very open minded and agreeable when it came to pinpointing what he did wrong. He's certainly capable of rationality and maturity. If I were to draw up a list of people that I thought should NEVER be in power, Ex's name would be absent from that list. A majority of the people that have the biggest problems with him are also members that have a record of crossing the staff in general. However, as was demonstrated just a minute ago with Lavarinth, Ex needs to do more thinking before he speaks. I wouldn't want him potentially endangering valuable relationships just to belt out a snappy one-liner. I would be lying if I didn't say that I have some doubt as to whether giving him the most powerful position on this website is a good chance for him to sharpen his leadership skills. If IP had discussed a promotion to admin with the rest of the staff, I'm sure that we would have found some very worthy candidates, but that was not how things happened. Regardless, Ex is an admin now and I think we shouldn't immediately rise up against him before he's had a chance to prove himself.

I’m a bit disappointed in IP’s decision. The other moderators and Moose should’ve been able to also have part in that decision instead of IP making the decision by himself. I don’t have any personal hate of Excalibur, but I don’t think that he is best suited to be an administrator. Excalibur is trying to bring his version of what SEN should be instead of what the community wants it to be. Rather than a community, what I see Excalibur doing is trying to make some sort of utopia or a private club. A community is a place where there are all sorts of different people. SEN is a community, not some private website where people who think they are elite runs it. This is why I never posted on Maplantis. Most people there tried to move away from the previous SEN because they wanted a place with “maturity”. The fact is being mature is being able to deal with the problem instead of just running away. Excalibur’s policy of kicking out people just because they don’t meet the “elite” status is not the right thing to do. That would eventually lead SEN to fall again. Most of the people supporting Excalibur’s jump to administration are the ones that had the mind set of elitism, from Maplantis. Maturity and being fit to administrate does not equal elitism.

Not only that, but his behavior is not suited to be an administrator. I think that his decisions would be solely biased. From reading previous posts, I can see that his administrating is based on threats. I’ve been getting the feeling about how he would be really biased by people he favors and people he dislikes. A dictator-like administration would not make people feel welcomed in the forum and it would probably cause people to slowly leave the forum. I don’t even understand how “strict moderation” can even go with his statement of Devilesk’s ban of 1 year. He has broken the rules many times. Excalibur talks about how he wants stricter rules, yet he breaks a lot of it most of the time. One problem I see is his choice of wording. If you read the shout box, you can see how many times Excalibur has used racist words, such as the N word. I’m sure if anyone who has the text file for the shout box and does a find of people who uses the “N” word will find that Excalibur has shouted it many times. There are also many fights that he had with other members in this forum. An administrator should be able to restrain his anger and not let his personal problems interfere with his decisions in moderating. No offense to Excalibur, but I think his attitude is a bit cocky. Above all that, Excalibur admitted that he is trying to learn about coding and etc. What SEN really needs right now is someone who will be able to get the features of SEN done immediately, not over time.

I was okay with how Moose, Doodan, and Merrell moderated the website and their decisions. I feel there is no need for making SEN into Maplantis. Either way, the community has yet to see how Excalibur will lead SEN. Hopefully he makes the right one.

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I'm not trying to bad talk Excalibur, but those are just my opinions. I hope he can really make SEN a better community, but not a place that promotes elitism. There's a fine line between having a good community and one where people think they are on high horses.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jun 11 2009, 8:30 am by Bill Clinton.

You have to want to do that, [Bill Clinton]:], running seperate sites with same concepts is not that, one is always savored over the other.

I easily see SEN eventually become a redirect to Maplantis just to make life "easier."

I say that because I've done it for sites I have administered in multiples.