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I don't know.. Microing AI?
Feb 22 2009, 7:14 am
By: Pyro682  

Feb 22 2009, 7:14 am Pyro682 Post #1



Well, I thought it would be nice if a computer knew how to micro, maybe make a map a bit more challenging....
Just an Idea, So I cracked out a map in 10 or so minutes and finished with this.
1) Yes, it IS possible to Kill it. I have killed it, and I have a replay to show for it, if you'd like. (My theory is that ANYTHING can micro ANYTHING. ***
2) This "super microer" has just 2 or 3 rules to abide by, pretty simple. I know all of you can easily do this, but I don't think any of you have yet, so I did it. :P

Here's the map, Its fun to do.
(Maybe make a mass Microing computer for an insane melee game?)

Btw, If you Open this in the Normal Starcraft Campaign Editor, you'll notice that 3 units are deleted. Have no Worries, they are just start locations. Just re-place them.



*** Yes, this includes absurdities like "ZOMG, U MEEN A FIREBAT CAN, LIEK, MICRO A MUTALISK?!?!?!"
I said Anything can micro anything. Not necessarily to the point of killing the other unit, but at least causing the other player much frustration.

Attachments:
Micro.scm
Hits: 26 Size: 52.28kb



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Feb 22 2009, 11:36 pm Falkoner Post #2



Yeah, I saw this a while back, except it was 10 zealots and 1 vulture, and the vulture would almost always win.. My issue is that very few other micros can be done so easily with triggers..



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Feb 23 2009, 12:41 am Pyro682 Post #3



Like what? I can easily make ANY unit micro with triggers.
Gimme a unit, I'll have it micro any other one.



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Feb 23 2009, 12:45 am ForTheSwarm Post #4



Make a firebat micro a dragoon.



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Feb 23 2009, 1:54 am MobiusOne. Post #5



SCV microing a 2 Carriers with full interceptor bays. And their boxed in like a 10x10. xD



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Feb 23 2009, 2:01 am Morphling Post #6



Quote from ForTheSwarm
Make a firebat micro a dragoon.
Quote from name:MobiusOne
SCV microing a 2 Carriers with full interceptor bays. And their boxed in like a 10x10. xD.
Guys be serious.
Also, note how he didn't say that the unit microing had to win.



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Feb 23 2009, 2:05 am MobiusOne. Post #7



Exactly.


~A un-upgraded overlord microing a marine [also non upgraded]!!



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Feb 23 2009, 12:10 pm Magicide Post #8

Sleeping wolves wake hungry.

You guys suck >_>

This is pretty epic. Try making a marine micro a lurker?




Feb 23 2009, 1:01 pm Excalibur Post #9

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Do the 3 marine and sci vessel lurker micro as seen here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBBBmS4cTOM




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Feb 24 2009, 3:11 am Pyro682 Post #10



Ok, Well, It'll be a bit, seeing as I could use EUDs to detect the lurker shooting, then order the marines to move to the side.
In order for me to do EUDs, I have to figure out why my SCMDraft 2 ain't working. I'll make it for ya, though



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Feb 24 2009, 3:14 am A_of-s_t Post #11

aka idmontie

http://www.broodwarai.com/forums/index.php?s=7ce74f4fed310006f4daada7cbb56232&showforum=46

Because God made baja who made a website based on AI that some how attracted Hienner who started a group devoted to purely making an AI better and making a map showing some microing and AI ideas.



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Feb 24 2009, 3:25 am Pigy_G Post #12



you should compile like 10 micro levels vs a computer, where normally you would easily beat it's failure ai, and laugh as the computer pwns the shit out of sc players. Examples could be dark templars vs a human with scanner, and when they cast scan the dark templars retreat. via eud energy detection. Or have a player with 4 vultures micro 2 computer dragoons, (Vultures have mines) and make dragoons retreat and target mines. OR have a golaith with upgraded range out micro a human battle cruiser or something. Possibilites are endless.



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Mar 2 2009, 1:26 am Pyro682 Post #13



Well, I am now both proud and honored to announce that me and Brontobyte are now acting as cohorts in making a new map.
In this map, there are 10 Scenarios in which you must micro to kill the enemy. Last man standing wins.
The player plays each of the 10 twice, once on each side.


If you have suggestions, or simply want to see a certain scenario make it into one of the ten slots, Give me or bront a whisper/PM. We are open to suggestions.
Suggestions must be possible to win. (No Firebats against Mutalisks, fellas.)



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Mar 2 2009, 1:30 am ForTheSwarm Post #14



Dragoon vs. Dark Templar. Trust me, it's possible. I've done it.



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Mar 2 2009, 1:43 am Magicide Post #15

Sleeping wolves wake hungry.

Quote from ForTheSwarm
Dragoon vs. Dark Templar. Trust me, it's possible. I've done it.

I'd love to hear more >_>




Mar 2 2009, 2:15 am Pyro682 Post #16



Quote from ForTheSwarm
Dragoon vs. Dark Templar. Trust me, it's possible. I've done it.
Possible for both sides? Even if the Dragoon is perfectly microing, the DT can still win? How? Is the goon given an Observer?





-------------Edit----------------
Oh, and btw, The BWAI project is using C++ to reprogram AI, i beleive. I'm sticking with triggers.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 2 2009, 2:21 am by Pyro682.



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Mar 2 2009, 2:19 am ForTheSwarm Post #17



It should be possible for both sides. Either way, I doubt you could get the dragoon to micro perfectly. And yes, the goon is given an observer.



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Mar 2 2009, 4:37 am A_of-s_t Post #18

aka idmontie

Quote from Pyro682
Oh, and btw, The BWAI project is using C++ to reprogram AI, i beleive. I'm sticking with triggers.
Did you find the two maps on the site?



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Mar 5 2009, 10:35 pm Pyro682 Post #19



No, I didn't. Sorry, I'm quite unfamiliar with the site, and I'm not so good at navigation when I don't totally know it all.



Oh, and btw, here's the goon micro. I'm sure it would have been better, had I not been so lazy. The Goon can obviously win, if microed correctly. My friends and I were playing a test map, and gave it numerous tries. It is unbalanced in the goons favor.

Attachments:
Goon Micro.scm
Hits: 8 Size: 52.65kb

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Mar 5 2009, 10:45 pm by Pyro682.



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Mar 7 2009, 7:38 am Thuy Post #20



i beat the zealot vs vulture one :D woo only took me like.. 12 mins :l first half was like messing around though!

lol the goon vs dt was so easy got in 1 minute first try! :D

do carrier vs bc
computer as the carrier



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