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Oct 28 2008, 12:55 am
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What is your opinion on it?
What is your opinion on it?
Answer Votes Percentage % Voters
Global Warming is happening 36
 
64%
Global Warming is NOT happening 1
 
2%
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It's a natural Earth Cycle 16
 
29%
Other 4
 
8%
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If its real, what should we do?
If its real, what should we do?
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Go to independancy on energy 0
 
0%
None.
Use American oil 0
 
0%
None.
Wind Energy 0
 
0%
None.
Solar Energy 9
 
17%
Nuclear Energy 9
 
17%
None.
All of the above 4
 
8%
None.
Some of the above 12
 
23%
None.
Other answer 4
 
8%
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Hope for the best 15
 
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Oct 28 2008, 10:07 pm Marine Post #21



AND we are adding to the freak weather, killing of environments, rising of sea level, pollution, greenhouse gas emissions, and waste of natural gas/petroleum which takes millions of years to make.



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Oct 28 2008, 10:34 pm Dapperdan Post #22



Thank you for editing your first post marine.



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Oct 28 2008, 10:42 pm Vi3t-X Post #23



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AND we are adding to the freak weather, killing of environments, rising of sea level, pollution, greenhouse gas emissions, and waste of natural gas/petroleum which takes millions of years to make.
Thousands. Thousands of years.



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Oct 29 2008, 3:15 am Marine Post #24



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AND we are adding to the freak weather, killing of environments, rising of sea level, pollution, greenhouse gas emissions, and waste of natural gas/petroleum which takes millions of years to make.
Thousands. Thousands of years.

thousands of years for what? Freak weather? Try 25 years or less for that. Killing environments? Less than 3 years to do that. Rising of sea level could be a matter of years as for green house gases. Pollution? Weeks. Even days. And petroleum? That is definatley millions of years to make the amount we have used.



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Oct 29 2008, 6:34 am BeDazed Post #25



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Solar energy DOES take up huge fields but environmentalists have to let them proceed with permission or they sue, geothermal energy doesn't do that or make food prices skyrocket, nuclear energy mostly hapopens high north in the cold, wind energy is a jgiant pole, and biofuels? Biofuels is basically weeds. Animals and other envrionmental organmisms don't eat weeds. They eat more nutritious plants. And Is only fusion our option? What if we had all of these? We could power the homes and cars of everysingle living person 10 times over and with at least 75% less greenhouse gas emissions.
What the hell are you talking about? Geothermal energy is so limited to hotspots of the earth, and also highly inefficient, money waster, and the fluids from the hotspot may contain hazardous elements. Which mostly they dump it on river streams and etc. So Geothermal energy is out of question. And WHAT THE hell? WIND ENERGY IS A GIANT POLE? It's a really huge wind mill that kills Birds. And wastes a huge amount of land that can be used to grow other crops or animals. AND WHAT THE HELL? BIOFUELS IS BASICALLY WEEDS? They use CORNS to make BIOFUELS. AND THATS MAKING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN POVERTY STARVE TO DEATH. And yes Fusion is our ONLY RELIABLE option. Solar energy might be a choice if it doesn't use fields.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 29 2008, 11:13 pm by Mini Moose 2707. Reason: Please stop swearing so profusely.



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Oct 29 2008, 8:53 am MasterJohnny Post #26



so...why can't we have solar panels as the fans on a wind turbine things?



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Oct 29 2008, 1:38 pm Devourer Post #27

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What does alternative energy sources have to do with Global Warming? It's a natural cycle, so no matter what we do, it's going to get hotter, and then it will cool down.

mhhh... not really... I just saw a report about that theme:
it isn't over when the polar-caps aren't there anymore.... many countries will be under water then and it just will get hotter and hotter, untill all water is in the air (so not drinkable, I don't know the english word of that) and all on the earth will die \:\(


btw: the ozon-hole also is a big problem: when the hole is getting even bigger many UV will survive the O3, and so we can get blind and other bad things....

(why o3? so... I just had that theme in chemyical-lessons, so I hope I remember it right...
oł will be splitted to a three singe O's... they normally can reconnect to each other, so it would be a good working naturally cycle... but the FCKW will loose his chlor when it got be hit by a UV-light, and that chlor-atom can take one single O, which means that there will be lost many O's by FCKW... [Oł can also be produced by lightings and other stuff with high temuratur] even if we stop producing FCKW right now, there will be no hope... there is so many FCKW in rubbish-plants and other things, which will also got up to the O's and steal some... [chlor has a high "live-time"]

we should stop thinking about THAT problem, we should start making things for the future, so we'll be able to survive that kathastrophes...

that's my meaning

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Oct 29 2008, 3:08 pm XenoBlight Post #28



i dont think that we don't contribute to Global Warming
just look at the graph when the time we massively use fuel and coal the line skyrocketed big time.
And alternate energy, it might help lessening the process and make us safe for a while..
but what about the Ozone Hole? most of us use stuff that makes the Hole bigger even if we change the energy source.

so lets live for the fullest?(which means to contribute Global warming for more to the most unaware people then they make children that will suffer more to us.)

OR a miracle will happen that will save all of us (just like how Moses divided the sea)

just curious but what if a miracle happened that an alternate energy(like super duper amplified solar reactor) has completely stop the use of fuel and coal and all people suddenly became "nature-loving-freaks-of-evolution" will it divert our fated hour? (its a different from my opinion above cause here i added a miracolous harmony of human race which in reality were so damd in discord)
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btw what did you mean "others" in the 1st poll? is it like an alien invasion will happen because of our unawarely murdering our living planet which is 1 in a zillion kind in the universe?

and ive heard from someone that volcanic eruptions can do something about Global warming. i wonder what is it?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 29 2008, 3:11 pm by XenoBlight. Reason: ive accidentally added some nasty stuff



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Oct 29 2008, 8:24 pm Vi3t-X Post #29



Even if we do find a "LOLEPICFUELSOURCEWENOTSCREWED",

1) It takes time to research the substance
2) It takes time to adapt to the substance
3) It takes time for prices to lower on the substance.

Now lets assume this magically happened in 1 Month.

1) People are not well informed
2) People are fearful
3) Lots of other random stuff...

Global Warming is happening, but Ice Ages occure every 20,000 years or so. So we're speeding up the Ice Age proccess. We die, and some other race develops around our artifacts. Welcome to Halo Forrunner.



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Oct 29 2008, 9:18 pm Marine Post #30



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Solar energy DOES take up huge fields but environmentalists have to let them proceed with permission or they sue, geothermal energy doesn't do that or make food prices skyrocket, nuclear energy mostly hapopens high north in the cold, wind energy is a jgiant pole, and biofuels? Biofuels is basically weeds. Animals and other envrionmental organmisms don't eat weeds. They eat more nutritious plants. And Is only fusion our option? What if we had all of these? We could power the homes and cars of everysingle living person 10 times over and with at least 75% less greenhouse gas emissions.
What the FUCK are you talking about? Geothermal energy is so limited to hotspots of the earth, and also highly inefficient, money waster, and the fluids from the hotspot may contain hazardous elements. Which mostly they dump it on river streams and etc. So Geothermal energy is out of question. And WHAT THE FUCK? WIND ENERGY IS A GIANT POLE? It's a fucking huge wind mill that kills Birds. And wastes a huge fucking land that can be used to grow other crops or animals. AND WHAT THE FUCK? BIOFUELS IS BASICALLY WEEDS? They use CORNS to make BIOFUELS. AND THATS MAKING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN POVERTY STARVE TO DEATH. And yes Fusion is our ONLY RELIABLE option. Solar energy might be a choice if it doesn't use fields.

First off, wind energy is a giant ass pole with a wind mill at the top sticking out of the ground. Birds repopulate 500 times faster than us, and about 15 times as much. If they are stupid enough to fly into a big ass piece of plastic and metal, that is maybe 100-200 feet high then that is one retarded bird. Plus, they have to be spaced out, leaving enough space to grow around the wind mill itself. Animals can still survive with windmills taking up 10 feet of land space. And they can easily (well not easily) build solar panels in the mountains and get plenty of power.

Geothermal energy might be one of those big money wasters but fusion would cost a lot more and take more money, time, and energy to study, build, protect, maintain, and research. Plus they have the ability nowadays to clean the hazardous elements with other elements using compound reactions

And yes, corn is basically a weed. That's how it started off, that's how it used to be classified. Corn, squash, barley, wheat... pretty much all crops and weeds and even when not on crops its a weed. Weeds are not only a random unclassified plant. Also, geothermal energy doesn't take a hugeass compound like a nuclear power plant. Might be close to it, but not that big. And hotspots are almost virtually everywhere on the pacific rim.

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Global Warming is happening, but Ice Ages occure every 20,000 years or so. So we're speeding up the Ice Age proccess. We die, and some other race develops around our artifacts. Welcome to Halo Forrunner.

Exactly, except Halo doesn't take place anywhere near our time, at least more than 250+ years away. It also takes thousands of years to adapt to new climate. If we die, and other animals and organisms used to our climate, they die, too. Unless some random new fungi or bacteria pops out of someones ass, then we're screwed every which way.



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Oct 29 2008, 10:12 pm Vi3t-X Post #31



Windsolarfusion energy?

Its a windmill with a solar panel that powers the machines that are fusing attoms. \:omfg\:



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Oct 29 2008, 10:30 pm dumbducky Post #32



From the all wise Syphon: "A single volcanic eruption tends to output several times the volume of greenhouse gases that mankind has in 200 years. And volcanic activity is on the rise"
Ownt

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We're going for alternative energy source because we're running out of oil. Why would you even relate global warming to alternative energy? Even if we go whack with all the gas, oil, and coal we have left in the world- it won't change a single bit about your life, your weather, and your kids. But we don't go whack with it because if we ever run out of oil before the alternative energies arrive, we're doomed to lacking energy and all the transportation of consumer goods. (and even the ability to make any kind of goods) And we'll be hit with the biggest possible inflation world has ever faced and millions will die because of that. Thats why we're trying to come up with alternative energy.

Global Warming is, happening no matter what. No matter what we do, it happens. Although theres a possibility to cool Earth down by sucking up CO2 to normalize the levels. As without the greenhouse effect, warming becomes impossible to proceed after certain points.

And the only alternative fuel that seems promising to us is Fusion. Others seem to either cost huge fields of land, or massive food price sky rocketing, and huge environment killers.

Solar energy DOES take up huge fields but environmentalists have to let them proceed with permission or they sue, geothermal energy doesn't do that or make food prices skyrocket, nuclear energy mostly hapopens high north in the cold, wind energy is a jgiant pole, and biofuels? Biofuels is basically weeds. Animals and other envrionmental organmisms don't eat weeds. They eat more nutritious plants. And Is only fusion our option? What if we had all of these? We could power the homes and cars of everysingle living person 10 times over and with at least 75% less greenhouse gas emissions.


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MYTH: Global warming is just part of a natural cycle. The Arctic has warmed up in the past.

FACT: The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.

People are causing global warming by burning fossil fuels (like oil, coal and natural gas) and cutting down forests. Scientists have shown that these activities are pumping far more CO2 into the atmosphere than was ever released in hundreds of thousands of years. This buildup of CO2 is the biggest cause of global warming. Since 1895, scientists have known that CO2 and other greenhouse gases trap heat and warm the earth. As the warming has intensified over the past three decades, scientific scrutiny has increased along with it. Scientists have considered and ruled out other, natural explanations such as sunlight, volcanic eruptions and cosmic rays. (IPCC 2001)

Though natural amounts of CO2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO2 levels are around 380 ppm. That's 25% more than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years. Increased CO2 levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)

As for previous Arctic warming, it is true that there were stretches of warm periods over the Arctic earlier in the 20th century. The limited records available for that time period indicate that the warmth did not affect as many areas or persist from year to year as much as the current warmth. But that episode, however warm it was, is not relevant to the issue at hand. Why? For one, a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon.

We know that the planet has been warming over the past several decades and Arctic ice has been melting persistently. And unlike the earlier periods of Arctic warmth, there is no expectation that the current upward trend in Arctic temperatures will reverse; the rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will prevent that from happening.

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The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.

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Peole are causing it.

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People are causing it.

Clearly it can't be 100% natural, if those facts are wrong then hmm maybe half to 3/4 of the world's population are nuts based off of your terms. Even if 400 scientists signed saying it nothing, that don't mean anything compared to the THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS upon EVEN MORE THOUSANDS of extremely hardcore scientists in the WORLD that are studying this thoroughly.

And yes, alternative fuels WILL lower the effect of global warming by reducing Co2 emissions into the air. I'll agree that we ARE running out of fuel and we WILL need it no matter what eventually, but it does effect every living person. The air is dirtier in cities like New York or Mexico City. Even small towns like Evergreen, Colorado has pollution. And people are breathing that in to their lungs, which ultimatley can make you sick and less immune to disease and illness.

By lower Co2 emissions, less heat is caught from escaping and more is transmitted back down, melting the ice caps and sending powerful heat waves. Hell, even the MOON is moving away from us 3cm a year, which also effects the tides and currents of the oceans, in negative, and positive ways. Look at old and new picutres of antartica and the North pole near Greenland. So much ice has melted because of the heat generated from majority human cause.
Wow, I really like how you bolded the same thing voer and over again. Repetition is a a great way to prove your point. Next time, try to actually write your own thoughts instead of just copy and pasting articles
I'd like to see your list of OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAND EXTREMELY HARDCORE SCIENTISTS.
The air pollution in NYC is no where near comparable to Mexico City. In Mexico City, a smog hangs over the city. Not the case in any American city. Also, if this evil air pollution is making people sick and die sooner, why has life expectancy been going up year after year? But lets say we banned fossil fuel use all over the world. Not only would the factories that make these life expanding drugs shut down, but the trucks to transport them would stop running. The ambulances that take sick people to the hospitals would shut down. The hospistals would shut down.

So some of these EXTREME HARDCORE SCIENTISTS say that it's too late, we can't stop global warming. So why bother?



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Oct 29 2008, 11:09 pm Marine Post #33



We already know we can't stop it. What we can do is start to minimize its effects as much as we possibly can before it actually comes down on us. And volcanos are a natural thing we can't stop at all. Look at the super volcano in Yellow Stone. Once that bitch goes off we're all fucked out of our minds. Plus, Volcano eruptions rarely happen that actually make a difference. And smoke & magma from the earth is not pollution. Hospitals would not shut down because it's called helicopters and special ambulances that don't use a low sulfur deisal engine. And why bother? Hmm.. Once the Ice age happens again which do you want? The entire earth frozen or just majority north & south away from the equator? Common sense question&answer.



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Oct 29 2008, 11:46 pm Vi3t-X Post #34



Quote from dumbducky
Also, if this evil air pollution is making people sick and die sooner, why has life expectancy been going up year after year? But lets say we banned fossil fuel use all over the world. Not only would the factories that make these life expanding drugs shut down, but the trucks to transport them would stop running. The ambulances that take sick people to the hospitals would shut down. The hospistals would shut down.

So some of these EXTREME HARDCORE SCIENTISTS say that it's too late, we can't stop global warming. So why bother?

Medicine and Technical advances are cool things.
[color=#EBEE80]Gradually switch over to another fuel source (This takes a while, yes, but if you start now, less time).
Call the local shaman \:lol\: [/color]



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Oct 29 2008, 11:52 pm Morphling Post #35



I believe that it is a natural event. However humans are speeding up the process. Every couple of 10,000 years the Earth cools up and the polar ice caps grow and then the Earth warms up and they recede.



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Oct 29 2008, 11:57 pm dumbducky Post #36



http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763388.html
All of the volcanoes listed have erupted atleast once in the past ten years. The ones bolded have erupted last year or this year.

I think Marine should be banned for intense stupidity. Or atleast add a requirement that misspelling is grounds for ban.



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Oct 30 2008, 1:24 pm BeDazed Post #37



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First off, wind energy is a giant ass pole with a wind mill at the top sticking out of the ground. Birds repopulate 500 times faster than us, and about 15 times as much. If they are stupid enough to fly into a big ass piece of plastic and metal, that is maybe 100-200 feet high then that is one retarded bird. Plus, they have to be spaced out, leaving enough space to grow around the wind mill itself. Animals can still survive with windmills taking up 10 feet of land space. And they can easily (well not easily) build solar panels in the mountains and get plenty of power.

Geothermal energy might be one of those big money wasters but fusion would cost a lot more and take more money, time, and energy to study, build, protect, maintain, and research. Plus they have the ability nowadays to clean the hazardous elements with other elements using compound reactions

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From the all wise Syphon: "A single volcanic eruption tends to output several times the volume of greenhouse gases that mankind has in 200 years. And volcanic activity is on the rise"
Ownt
Not to mention, mankind is also burning down forestation and jungles thats supposed to regulate CO2 levels. So the amount we release is actually significant compared to any kind of volcanic eruption that happened before the industrial revolution.
And yes, corn is basically a weed. That's how it started off, that's how it used to be classified. Corn, squash, barley, wheat... pretty much all crops and weeds and even when not on crops its a weed. Weeds are not only a random unclassified plant. Also, geothermal energy doesn't take a hugeass compound like a nuclear power plant. Might be close to it, but not that big. And hotspots are almost virtually everywhere on the pacific rim.
First off, wind energy is a fucking waste of money and land. And Fusion is not a fucking waste of money as it will obviously billion times worth than any other worthless piece of shit we have. That and corns are edible. And the food source of people that are starving. And geothermal energy is a fucking waste of money and time. For a very simple reason, we don't have time for useless toy amounts of energy.

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From the all wise Syphon: "A single volcanic eruption tends to output several times the volume of greenhouse gases that mankind has in 200 years. And volcanic activity is on the rise"
Ownt
I also believe mankind has burned and cut down forestations and jungles that regulate CO2 levels. So the greenhouse gases we release today are now more significant then the volcanic eruptions prior to the industrial revolution.

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http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763388.html
All of the volcanoes listed have erupted atleast once in the past ten years. The ones bolded have erupted last year or this year.

I think Marine should be banned for intense stupidity. Or atleast add a requirement that misspelling is grounds for ban.
I agree.



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Oct 30 2008, 7:01 pm Vi3t-X Post #38



It takes time and money to adapt.

People don't use time effectively.
People don't have the money.



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Oct 30 2008, 9:03 pm dumbducky Post #39



Look what I found today?
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113.html



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Oct 31 2008, 3:41 am Falkoner Post #40



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CO2 does not cause global warming, global warming causes CO2, as a lot of CO2 is contained in oceans and is released when it gets warmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeDPXtSwtFA
Something more, please. A youtube video within a youtube video isn't enough. A real article.

[quote]Source for mars warming up at the same rate as Earth, as well as an explanation for how a planetary cycle can be mirrored by another planet, and that used as an argument.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece
'For different reason's. And, how a planetary cycle (the alternate theory states that the EARTH'S ROTATION causes cycles - What, same thing on Mars, at the same time?) thing like that works, still not explayned.

This is answered by this:


We may not have storms, but we have an equivalent.



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