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Oct 28 2008, 12:55 am
By: Marine
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What is your opinion on it?
What is your opinion on it?
Answer Votes Percentage % Voters
Global Warming is happening 36
 
64%
Global Warming is NOT happening 1
 
2%
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It's a natural Earth Cycle 16
 
29%
Other 4
 
8%
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If its real, what should we do?
If its real, what should we do?
Answer Votes Percentage % Voters
Go to independancy on energy 0
 
0%
None.
Use American oil 0
 
0%
None.
Wind Energy 0
 
0%
None.
Solar Energy 9
 
17%
Nuclear Energy 9
 
17%
None.
All of the above 4
 
8%
None.
Some of the above 12
 
23%
None.
Other answer 4
 
8%
None.
Hope for the best 15
 
29%
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Oct 28 2008, 12:55 am Marine Post #1



Global Warming has been one of the greatest fears the world has had along side the world economy. There are skeptics out there that say that it is a political heist to raise taxes so they can "Raise a fund for global environmental change". Others say it is real, and we need to do something about it with other energy recources. Some just say its a natural earth cycle that happens every 20 thousand or so years.

So explain, what is your opinion on it? Do you have facts to support your thoughts? What should we do? Can it be decreased over time? Do we stand a chance?

I stand with the fact that it is majority human cause for the speed and condition of the Global Warming situation. Patroleum oil industries provide a massive push-forward to this effect we are providing the Earth with. Cars produce excess Co2 emissions with other gases as well does black coal. I believe we need alternative fuels to lessen OUR share of Co2, and leave most of it to nature. Pfft, it lets enough off already. It is also a fact that an over amount of excess gasses trap more heat than it does release it, causing a faster global effect than nature intended.

Sources:

quick facts
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html

Hardcore facts:
http://m.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011
http://www.grinningplanet.com/2005/06-21/global-warming-facts-article.htm
http://globalwarming.sdsu.edu/

FACTS TO NOT GO OFF OF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming - wikipedia is known for idiots to put random crap online.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Oct 28 2008, 9:44 pm by Marine.



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Oct 28 2008, 12:59 am Falkoner Post #2



What does alternative energy sources have to do with Global Warming? It's a natural cycle, so no matter what we do, it's going to get hotter, and then it will cool down.



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Oct 28 2008, 1:05 am Marine Post #3



they will apparently lessen green house gases and let heat escape the atmosphere, cooling the earth more naturally then what we are doing.

Plus, there is more evidence proving that we are influencing more heat waves, melting of ice caps and the ozone disappearing than it just being a natural cycle. Hence Al Gore's little presentation on this issue.



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Oct 28 2008, 1:25 am dumbducky Post #4



Al Gore is bald-faced liar. If you had bother'd to do even a little research, you'd know that.
http://everyman.mu.nu/archives/179716.php
Contrary to popular belief, there is no real consensus. Senators Inhofe's had 400 scientists sign a letter disagreeing with man-made global warming.



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Oct 28 2008, 1:29 am Centreri Post #5

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What does alternative energy sources have to do with Global Warming? It's a natural cycle, so no matter what we do, it's going to get hotter, and then it will cool down.
Or not. Whatever.

A pretty bad poll, since the first choice is useless, the second impossible, the rest weak alone.



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Oct 28 2008, 1:30 am Marine Post #6



I'm not siding with al gore, nor am i even with the fact we are the cause. I'm stating things people have said and done on the worlds/nations behalf, ex. Al Gore.



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Oct 28 2008, 1:38 am dumbducky Post #7



You need a lesson in rhetoric and debate. You took a side by saying that "there is evidence proving that...". By using the word "proving", you say that it is truth and absolute. "Hence" suggests that this is further proved by, although it's a poor word choice in general.

It seems to me you've tried to start a debate without taking a side.



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Oct 28 2008, 1:42 am Falkoner Post #8



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Plus, there is more evidence proving that we are influencing more heat waves, melting of ice caps and the ozone disappearing than it just being a natural cycle. Hence Al Gore's little presentation on this issue.

Mars is warming up at the same rate as the Earth is, just because us humans love to think we have power to control our atmosphere doesn't mean we can.



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Oct 28 2008, 1:51 am Centreri Post #9

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Source for mars warming up at the same rate as Earth, as well as an explanation for how a planetary cycle can be mirrored by another planet, and that used as an argument.

Oh, and the first poll... it's happening, it's not happening, how is there possibly an 'other' for a yes/no question? O_o

Pl0x. Boy, I'm enjoying this.



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Oct 28 2008, 2:21 am Marine Post #10



mars is a frozen wasteland.. it can't be warming up when it has frozen water unless the temperature is rising from the negatives ro w/e the temperature is at

People can have different answers for a yes or no question. I know its hard to comprehend for some people, but people might want to have a different question & answer.

By saying "prove" or "hence" doesn't automatically depict my side of the subject, and I have done research just not at your favorite websites. People can have different opinions on Al Gore and his apparent "presentation" on global warming. Doesn't mean i'm with OR against him. Personally I really don't give a damn for global warming. We want to screw up the earth war, prejudice, racism, and neglagence are doing a fine job of that.



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Oct 28 2008, 2:21 am WoAHorde Post #11



Quote from dumbducky
Al Gore is bald-faced liar. If you had bother'd to do even a little research, you'd know that.
http://everyman.mu.nu/archives/179716.php
Contrary to popular belief, there is no real consensus. Senators Inhofe's had 400 scientists sign a letter disagreeing with man-made global warming.

I'll admit Al Gore has stretched the truth a bit; however, what he is calling for makes the world a cleaner place, gives a chance for America to be the economic king of the world, and benefit millions with innovation and jobs.



Strange coincidence that the Earth began a heating up portion of its cycle so quickly, and when the Industrial Revolution was in full swing.



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Oct 28 2008, 2:27 am Marine Post #12



Quote from WoAHorde
Quote from dumbducky
Al Gore is bald-faced liar. If you had bother'd to do even a little research, you'd know that.
http://everyman.mu.nu/archives/179716.php
Contrary to popular belief, there is no real consensus. Senators Inhofe's had 400 scientists sign a letter disagreeing with man-made global warming.

I'll admit Al Gore has stretched the truth a bit; however, what he is calling for makes the world a cleaner place, gives a chance for America to be the economic king of the world, and benefit millions with innovation and jobs.



Strange coincidence that the Earth began a heating up portion of its cycle so quickly, and when the Industrial Revolution was in full swing.

Which further proves the point that there might be a slight increase to this by human interferance. Thats apparent facts, doesn't mean I am siding with any body right now.



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Oct 28 2008, 2:35 am Dapperdan Post #13



Quote from Serious Discussion Rules
7. Present arguments. (for new topics) When opening a new thead, please state your point of view or argument. News updates, "Ask me anything about X", etc., do not present a stance on an issue that is for debate.

This is directed at Marine. Please edit your first post and present an argument or this is not truly fitting of an SD topic.



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Oct 28 2008, 3:05 am Vi3t-X Post #14



Global Warming IMO, is just a speed up of what commonly occures. The Ice Age.



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Oct 28 2008, 4:26 am Falkoner Post #15



CO2 does not cause global warming, global warming causes CO2, as a lot of CO2 is contained in oceans and is released when it gets warmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeDPXtSwtFA


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Source for mars warming up at the same rate as Earth, as well as an explanation for how a planetary cycle can be mirrored by another planet, and that used as an argument.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece


Quote from name:
Quote from dumbducky
Al Gore is bald-faced liar. If you had bother'd to do even a little research, you'd know that.
http://everyman.mu.nu/archives/179716.php
Contrary to popular belief, there is no real consensus. Senators Inhofe's had 400 scientists sign a letter disagreeing with man-made global warming.

I'll admit Al Gore has stretched the truth a bit; however, what he is calling for makes the world a cleaner place, gives a chance for America to be the economic king of the world, and benefit millions with innovation and jobs.



Strange coincidence that the Earth began a heating up portion of its cycle so quickly, and when the Industrial Revolution was in full swing.

Yes, a strange coincidence, seeing as this sort of stuff happens naturally, I'd say Earth was a bit overdue for it.



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Oct 28 2008, 5:21 am MasterJohnny Post #16



Global Warming is happening
I put down other answer because I only like Go to independancy on energy,Wind Energy,Solar Energy, Change into CNG and biofuels and maybe biogas?, and maybe geothermal?
for future people who may put down Global Warming is NOT happening: What if your wrong and doing nothing is worst than doing something)

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 28 2008, 6:59 am by MasterJohnny.



Philosophy deals with unanswered questions. Religion deals with unquestioned answers. I am a Mathematician

Oct 28 2008, 7:56 am BeDazed Post #17



We're going for alternative energy source because we're running out of oil. Why would you even relate global warming to alternative energy? Even if we go whack with all the gas, oil, and coal we have left in the world- it won't change a single bit about your life, your weather, and your kids. But we don't go whack with it because if we ever run out of oil before the alternative energies arrive, we're doomed to lacking energy and all the transportation of consumer goods. (and even the ability to make any kind of goods) And we'll be hit with the biggest possible inflation world has ever faced and millions will die because of that. Thats why we're trying to come up with alternative energy.

Global Warming is, happening no matter what. No matter what we do, it happens. Although theres a possibility to cool Earth down by sucking up CO2 to normalize the levels. As without the greenhouse effect, warming becomes impossible to proceed after certain points.

And the only alternative fuel that seems promising to us is Fusion. Others seem to either cost huge fields of land, or massive food price sky rocketing, and huge environment killers.



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Oct 28 2008, 9:54 pm Marine Post #18



Quote from BeDazed
We're going for alternative energy source because we're running out of oil. Why would you even relate global warming to alternative energy? Even if we go whack with all the gas, oil, and coal we have left in the world- it won't change a single bit about your life, your weather, and your kids. But we don't go whack with it because if we ever run out of oil before the alternative energies arrive, we're doomed to lacking energy and all the transportation of consumer goods. (and even the ability to make any kind of goods) And we'll be hit with the biggest possible inflation world has ever faced and millions will die because of that. Thats why we're trying to come up with alternative energy.

Global Warming is, happening no matter what. No matter what we do, it happens. Although theres a possibility to cool Earth down by sucking up CO2 to normalize the levels. As without the greenhouse effect, warming becomes impossible to proceed after certain points.

And the only alternative fuel that seems promising to us is Fusion. Others seem to either cost huge fields of land, or massive food price sky rocketing, and huge environment killers.

Solar energy DOES take up huge fields but environmentalists have to let them proceed with permission or they sue, geothermal energy doesn't do that or make food prices skyrocket, nuclear energy mostly hapopens high north in the cold, wind energy is a jgiant pole, and biofuels? Biofuels is basically weeds. Animals and other envrionmental organmisms don't eat weeds. They eat more nutritious plants. And Is only fusion our option? What if we had all of these? We could power the homes and cars of everysingle living person 10 times over and with at least 75% less greenhouse gas emissions.


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MYTH: Global warming is just part of a natural cycle. The Arctic has warmed up in the past.

FACT: The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.

People are causing global warming by burning fossil fuels (like oil, coal and natural gas) and cutting down forests. Scientists have shown that these activities are pumping far more CO2 into the atmosphere than was ever released in hundreds of thousands of years. This buildup of CO2 is the biggest cause of global warming. Since 1895, scientists have known that CO2 and other greenhouse gases trap heat and warm the earth. As the warming has intensified over the past three decades, scientific scrutiny has increased along with it. Scientists have considered and ruled out other, natural explanations such as sunlight, volcanic eruptions and cosmic rays. (IPCC 2001)

Though natural amounts of CO2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO2 levels are around 380 ppm. That's 25% more than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years. Increased CO2 levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)

As for previous Arctic warming, it is true that there were stretches of warm periods over the Arctic earlier in the 20th century. The limited records available for that time period indicate that the warmth did not affect as many areas or persist from year to year as much as the current warmth. But that episode, however warm it was, is not relevant to the issue at hand. Why? For one, a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon.

We know that the planet has been warming over the past several decades and Arctic ice has been melting persistently. And unlike the earlier periods of Arctic warmth, there is no expectation that the current upward trend in Arctic temperatures will reverse; the rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will prevent that from happening.

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The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.

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Peole are causing it.

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People are causing it.

Clearly it can't be 100% natural, if those facts are wrong then hmm maybe half to 3/4 of the world's population are nuts based off of your terms. Even if 400 scientists signed saying it nothing, that don't mean anything compared to the THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS upon EVEN MORE THOUSANDS of extremely hardcore scientists in the WORLD that are studying this thoroughly.

And yes, alternative fuels WILL lower the effect of global warming by reducing Co2 emissions into the air. I'll agree that we ARE running out of fuel and we WILL need it no matter what eventually, but it does effect every living person. The air is dirtier in cities like New York or Mexico City. Even small towns like Evergreen, Colorado has pollution. And people are breathing that in to their lungs, which ultimatley can make you sick and less immune to disease and illness.

By lower Co2 emissions, less heat is caught from escaping and more is transmitted back down, melting the ice caps and sending powerful heat waves. Hell, even the MOON is moving away from us 3cm a year, which also effects the tides and currents of the oceans, in negative, and positive ways. Look at old and new picutres of antartica and the North pole near Greenland. So much ice has melted because of the heat generated from majority human cause.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 28 2008, 9:59 pm by Marine.



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Oct 28 2008, 9:55 pm Centreri Post #19

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Quote from Falkoner
CO2 does not cause global warming, global warming causes CO2, as a lot of CO2 is contained in oceans and is released when it gets warmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeDPXtSwtFA
Something more, please. A youtube video within a youtube video isn't enough. A real article.

[quote]Source for mars warming up at the same rate as Earth, as well as an explanation for how a planetary cycle can be mirrored by another planet, and that used as an argument.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece
'For different reason's. And, how a planetary cycle (the alternate theory states that the EARTH'S ROTATION causes cycles - What, same thing on Mars, at the same time?) thing like that works, still not explayned.



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Oct 28 2008, 10:03 pm Vi3t-X Post #20



Global Warming is happening, yes.
Global Warming occures naturally, yes.
Global Warming is caused by humans, somewhat.

We are merely speeding up the melting of the ice caps.



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